Major1 said:
Again, I thought it was obvious that the death of the 2 witnesses was an example of God allowing people to die and not delivering them from that death.
I thought it should have been obvious from my previous posts in this exchange that my point was to Psalm3704 that his sarcastic remark paraphrased “well just try praying to God and see what happens” was inappropriate. I also thought it was clear from what I said that sometimes God allows us to die even if we ask for deliverance. So really we are in agreement here.
Major1 said:
We will not be "caught up: at His 2nd Coming. Here comes that CUTTING truth.........
We will be COMING DOWN WITH HIM AT THE 2ND COMING.
The word of God says:
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Those that sleep in Jesus are the souls of the dead in Christ that have gone on to be with Him and He brings those souls with Him at His return to participate in the resurrection of the body.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Now here is a cutting truth in the form of a challenge! You have absolutely no scripture to show a resurrected church in heaven to come back on those white horses in Revelation 19. You and others have only assumed that to be true and have interpreted into existence. Show us 1 scripture that clearly identifies a resurrected church in heaven, if you have one. I can show you several that show the “souls” of the dead in Christ in heaven. I’ve already given you 1 of those.
Yes you are correct my implication was a 2 edged sword but I used knife because you accused me of bringing a knife to a gun fight. Well, show us your “gun” and provide those scriptures.
Now honestly brother.....if I posted 1000 Bible verses would you accept just ONE of them???
You are convined in what you believe just as I am about what I believe.
NO you would not, so what is the point of such an exercise???
But, against by better judgment.............
1 Thessalonians 4:17...........
“Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.”
Where else but heaven would believers be???
Luke 21:36.....
"But keep on the alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."
1 Thess. 1:10.....
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thess. 5:9.......
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ".
Rev. 1:12........
"Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands".
That say to me that the 7 churches represent ALL churnum as the number SEVEN represents .."COMPLETE".
Adam Clarke Commentary says.....
These seven lamps represented the seven Churches, in which the light of God was continually shining, and the love of God continually burning. This reference to the temple seems to intimate that the temple of Jerusalem was a type of the whole Christian Church.
Albert Barnes notes............
"There can be no doubt as to the design of this representation, for it is expressly declared Revelation 1:20 that the seven lamp-bearers were intended to represent the seven churches."
Revelation 1:20..........
"The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."
Rev. 4:1.....
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."
Rev. 4:4..........
"And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."
Jesus addresses the disciples, and he told them they would sit on twelve thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. In Rev. 20:3 right after Satan is bound for a thousand years we see ,thrones and judgment was given unto them. This is the judgment of the nations to set up the millennial kingdom upon the earth, and it further shows that the apostles are part of the 24 Elders.
The 24 Elders also represent the Raptured CHURCH as it took place back in Rev. 4 and 5. The 24 Elders in Revelation are always seen in heaven until the judgment of the nations in Rev. 20:4.
Too many people are trying to put the church into all of Revelation when the fact is the church is NOT mentioned or seen on earth during the Seven Seals of Judgment.
Now that I have shown you the Raptured church in heaven, would you show me the Scriptures in the Revelation that show the church on the earth after 4:1.