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Featured Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by precepts, Nov 28, 2016.

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  1. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Heh Heh...I offered to answer one of yours if you'd answer mine.

    What's the problem, other than fear and trepidation?
     
  2. seventysevens

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    That is my point , I have asked many times over a period of days - and now you think you can pick 1 question to answer- NOT , that is very immature of you - if you are refusing to answer them all it is proof that you will have to admit you are wrong
    I am fed up with your most childish immature manner
    I am done with you ,
     
  3. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    More fear. More trepidation. More refusal to cooperate.

    Strange responses indeed from a self-proclaimed voice of truth.

    My offer continues to be open.
     
  4. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you are not smart enough to comprehend that you refuse to cooperate as you have refused to answer the questions every time you have been asked
    Grow up and be a Man
    If you are not willing to answer ALL
    I will no longer waste any time on you at all
     
  5. jgr

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    More fear. More trepidation. More cowardice. More uncooperation.

    Predictable reactions from someone afraid of losing.

    My offer continues to be open.
     
  6. BABerean2

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    Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


    1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


    2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


    1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


    Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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  7. Major1

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    I am saying as clearly as can humanly be said to you........

    Genesis 12:3.......
    “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

    “Replacement Theology” that you are teaching is the false teaching that Old Testament Israel was cut-off because of unbelief and replaced by the Church instead in New Testament era.

    Although it is 100% true that God cut-off Israel because of unbelief (Romans 11:20, “because of unbelief they were broken off”), God never completely forsook His chosen people. Israel is Israel and the Church is the Church. We are now living in the Times Of The Gentiles (Luke 21:24), which will end at the Rapture.

    Then following the Rapture, God will once again deal with Israel during the 7 year Tribulation period. But for now, both Jew and Gentile are God's People ONLY by faith in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. All others are going to Hell forever.

    YOU are promoting Replacement Theology and that is completely unbiblical no matter how you slice it and dice or rationalize it, it still comes out as WRONG, and unbiblical.
     
  8. Major1

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    And........WHY did Jesus come incarnate as a JEW?
     
  9. seventysevens

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    And..........Why is Jesus called King of the Jews ?
     
  10. Major1

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    The key to understanding Israel today is the Biblical teaching that only SOME OF THE BRANCHES were broken off. Not all of Israel was cut-off. The Bible teaches that SOME of the branches were broken off because of unbelief...

    Romans 11:17.......
    “And if
    some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.”

    There has always been a remnant, just as there still is today. The remnant are the saved (Christian) Jews, true Israel...

    Romans 9:27-28.......
    “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
    a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.”

    Please understand that there are true Jews, and then there are false Jews (Communists, Freemasons, Marxists and Zionists). T

    he apostle Paul says in Romans 9:6,.....
    “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
    For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.”

    Clearly, there were false Jews in New Testament times, just as their are false Jews today. Again we read in Revelation 2:9......
    “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and
    I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

    Who can deny that some Jews are liars and are not truly God's chosen. Some are, but some AREN'T! It's important for every Christian to understand this truth!!! This is why most people are utterly confused today concerning Israel and the Jews.

    Most people fail to understand that there are two different, separate, groups of Jews. There are the non-believing Communist, Freemasonry, Marxist, Zionist Jews (all synonymous and supportive of each other) and then there are the believing, true, remnant scattered around the world today.

    It is the unbelieving Communist Jews (Zionists) who control the nation of Israel today. Please understand that there are no promises that any saved Jew today can claim that a saved Gentile cannot ALSO claim. God is no respecter of persons (Romans 2:11) and is rich unto all who call upon Jesus Christ by faith (Romans 10:12).
     
  11. jgr

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    I see no mention of Romans 2:28,29.

    It replaces the outward Jew with the inward Jew.

    Is that replacement theology?

    God's chosen covenant people from the beginning of covenant history have exclusively been those who complied with His covenant requirements. Genealogy has ever and always been irrelevant.

    Genesis 17:12
    And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
     
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  12. Major1

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    Romans 2:28-29 bring the conclusion of the whole section that began with verse 17 which is that being a true Jew is not a matter of outward or external things/works.

    Genuine circumcision is not the physical act itself but rather a real Jew is one INWARDLT and true circumcision is of the heart and by the Spirit.

    It is understood that these verses are saying that circumcision of the heart "fulfills the spirit of God's law instead of mere conformity to the law.
     
  13. jgr

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    All true.

    So heart circumcision is the indispensable criterion of chosenness for the Jew, and also for the Gentile.

    And it is a product of faith and obedience in and to Christ.

    Faith and obedience. The indispensable and only criteria of chosenness recognized by God for both Jew and Gentile.
     
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    The Times Of The Gentiles will end with the Coming of Jesus in Glory ...
    Matthew 24:29-31
    ...And all the tribes of the Earth mourn..( they mourn because they know that their destruction is come )...while that Jesus send His angels to gather His elects...
     
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  15. jgr

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    In Matthew's lineage of Christ, there are about forty generations.

    The mother is identified in only five of those.

    Of those five mothers, three are Gentiles: Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth.

    There is a high probability of additional Gentile mothers in the remaining thirty-five generations where the mother is not identified.

    Christ is King of the Jews.

    He is also King of the Gentiles.

    He is the Ruler of all kings.

    Revelation 1:5
    Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
     
  16. keras

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    This thread asks: Where in Revelation is a Rapture mentioned?
    The answer was given about 100 posts back. NOWHERE.

    Now the discussion centers around 'Replacement Theology'. Why?
    We do know why; it is because those who do believe in a 'rapture to heaven' of the church, must have the Jews as an existing people of God on earth, so they can be in heaven looking down on their Judgement.
    The rapture believers mention Replacement Theology like a curse, as it destroys their Two Peoples, Two Promises idea, that they must have for the rapture to work.

    What I ask, no I demand; that the 'rapture to heaven' believers first prove their theory by providing Bible verses that plainly state God intends to rapture His Church.
    If they can't do that, then any peripheral discussion like RT, or who does Jesus Return with, is a waste of time.
     
  17. Truthfrees

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    mod hat

    thread permanently closed for excessive flaming and goading
     
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