After the last supper in Jn 14:

18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

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Jesus spoke on what happened after his death and resurrection.

20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?”

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Judas wanted to know more specifically how that would happen.

23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.

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Love, that's how. You will see Jesus if and only if you love him. More technically:

25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper [Paraclete], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

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The Paraclete will dwell in the people who love Jesus.

How will Jesus manifest to believers and not to the world?

If you love Jesus, the Paraclete will manifest to you by dwelling in your spirit.

At any time, we have a tendency I argue to overlook something unique about our human condition. I’m referring to our ability to recognize the presence of someone (Incarnational character) and greet them with the simplest yet most profound of human gestures, a joyful smile-filled “hello.” This is what I would describe as an Incarnational gesture, i.e., a gesture in the name of Jesus Christ because our actions are meant to reflect the words and deeds of Jesus Christ our Lord, Savior, and King.

Sacred Scripture provides us with several joyful “Incarnational gestures” such as Jesus’ greeting to the Apostles and disciples on the Road to Emmaus when upon celebrating the Mass the Apostle's eyes were opened and then Jesus disappeared.[1] The greeting between Mary and Elizabeth led John the Baptist to leap in Elizabeth’s womb.[2] When you consider for example the origin of the Magnificat prayer, it reveals a joyful response to an encounter between human beings rooted in the Divine. Joyful encounters are very important because they remind us of our responsibility to engage one another with joy, gratitude, and humility.

These examples provide us with a glimpse of what discipleship can look like when we choose to profess the faith of Jesus Christ over our own religiously manufactured humanistic attitude. From a practical perspective, it stems from a choice of “The Religion of Me” over the Son of God Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth, and the light.[3]

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MehGuy said:

Why do you believe I am conservative?

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You know how the gays have gaydar? I have con-dar, lol. But you're still young. Another 5 to 10 years and you'll be walking around carrying an automatic rifle and a Gadsden flag.

But seriously, it's just things I've seen you say over the years. Obviously I can't tell you what you are. If you consider yourself of the left, fine. But I wish more lefties were as sensible as you.

Fascinating! Thanks for posting

wing2000 said:

Nope. Oh, they might call themselves "conservatives" but there is nothing conservative about their agenda, or for that matter, the populist ideology they espouse.

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I don't understand what you're saying.

okay said:

Dietary restrictions / allergies are another good reason to offer individual cups.

My elder daughter has celiac disease so medically requires a super strict gluten-free diet - cross-contamination that isn’t even visible to the naked eye can make her sick. She cannot use a shared chalice, and would likely get sick if the priest touched the gluten-free host after handling the gluten-full host (unless they scrubbed their hands in-between…). The ability to safely take communion was a large factor in her selection of the Episcopal parish she attends.

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In my diocese, those with celiac disease receive the chalice only or low gluten hosts. The chalice is almost never offered to the faithful, unless on Holy Thursday or the feast of Corpus Christi.

2Timothy 3 Part #6

2Ti 3:8 (21) Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these (men 2Tim 3:2-7) also resist the truth (John 14:6): (22) men of corrupt minds, (23) reprobate concerning the faith (1Cor 15:1-4 Rom 10:9-10 Eph 2:8-10).

Jannes and Jambres withstand Moses

1. Exo 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
2. Exo 7:22 And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.
3. Exo 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
4. Exo 8:18 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.
5. Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil (Lucifer) he disputed about the body of Moses, dose not bring against him (Lucifer) a railing accusation, but said, the Lord rebuke you (Lucifer).
6. Mat 23:2 Saying, the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Resist the Truth

1. 1Ki 22:22-24 And the LORD said unto him (Lucifer), wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I (Lucifer) will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, you shall persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit (Lucifer) in the mouth of all these your prophets, and the LORD has spoken evil concerning you. 1Ki 22:24 But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, which way went the Spirit of the LORD from me to speak unto you?
2. Act 13:8-11 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Act 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him (Elymas), Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, you child of the devil (Lucifer), you (Elymas) enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Act 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you (Elymas), and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him (Elymas) a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
3. Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, you must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
4. Gal 1:7-9 Which is not another; but there be some (rejectors) that trouble you (Christians), and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we (servant leadership), or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you (Christians) than that which we (servant leadership) have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we (servant leadership) said before, so say I (Paul) now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you (Christians) have received, let him (rejectors) be accursed.
5. Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

• 2Pe 2:19 While they (false teachers) promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

1. Eph 4:14 That we (Christians) henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they (false teachers) lie in wait to deceive;
2. 2Th 2:9-11 Even him (man of sin), whose coming is after the working of Satan (Lucifer) with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them (rejectors Rev 9:20-21) that perish; because they received not the love of the truth (John 14:6), that they (rejectors) might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they (rejectors Rev 13:7-8) should believe a lie:

1. 2Ti 4:15 Of whom (Alexander Acts 6:9) be you (Christians) ware also; for he (Alexander denominational leader Acts 18:24-25) has greatly withstood our (servant leadership) words. Deeds of the Nicolaitanes
2. Tit 1:10-11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers (1Tim 1:6) and deceivers, specially they (rejectors) of the circumcision: Tit 1:11 Whose (rejectors) mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they (denominational 2Pet 2:1) ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
3. 2Pe 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you (Christians), who (denominational teachers) privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them (denominational teachers), and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Pe 2:2 And many (rejected) shall follow their (denominational teachers) pernicious ways; by reason of whom (Jesus) the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they (denominational teachers) with feigned (pretend-insincere) words make merchandise of you (Christians): whose (denominational teachers) judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation (Rev 20:14-15) slumber not.
4. 1Jn 2:18 Little (immature) children (Christians), it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist (man of sin) shall come, even now are there many antichrists (denominational teachers); whereby we (servant leadership) know that it is the last time.
5. 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
6. Rev 2:4-6 Nevertheless I (John) have somewhat against you (moral denominationalist), because you have left your first love. Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence you (moral denominationalist) are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I (Jesus 2Cor 3:17) will come unto you (moral denominationalist) quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent. Rev 2:6 But this you (moral denominationalists) have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I (Jesus) also hate.
7. Rev 2:14-15 But I (Jesus) have a few things against you (moral denominationalists), because you have there them (Balanites) that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling-block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Rev 2:15 So have you (moral denominationalists) also them (nicolaitanites) that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I (Jesus) hate.
8. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I (Jesus) have a few things against you (moral denominationalists), because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Denominationalists of Corrupt Minds Reprobate Concerning the Faith

1. Act 8:21 You (Simon wizard) have neither part nor lot in this matter: for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this your (Simon) wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your (Simon) heart may be forgiven you.
2. Rom 1:28 And even as they (rejectors) did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them (rejectors) over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
3. Rom 15:18 For I (Paul) will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
4. 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan (Lucifer) himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his (Lucifer) ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
5. 1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some (rejectors) having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
6. 1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
7. 1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputing of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw yourself (Christians). 1Co 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
8. Tit 1:16 They (denominational teachers) profess that they know God; but in works they deny him (God), being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
9. 2Pe 2:14 (rejectors) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
10. Jud 1:18-19 How that they (servant leadership) told you (Christians) there should be mockers in the last time, who (rejectors) should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jud 1:19 These (rejectors) be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
11. Jer 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD has rejected them.
12. Mat 26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, Mat 26:15 And said unto them, what will you give me (Judas), and I will deliver him (Jesus) unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. Mat 26:16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him (Jesus).
13. Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees: and the wolf catches them (sheep), and scatters the sheep.
14. 2Co 13:5-6 Examine yourselves, whether you be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know you not your own selves, how that Jesus (the) Christ is in (2Cor 3:17) you (Christians), except you be reprobates (denominationalists)? 2Co 13:6 But I (Paul) trust that you shall know that we (servant leadership) are not reprobates.

2Ti 3:9 But they (men 2Tim 3:2-8) shall proceed no further: (24) for their (men) folly (lack of good sense) shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs (2Tim 3:2-7) also was.

Corrupt Denominationalists will be Known

1. Exo 7:12 For they (Egyptian wizards) cast down every man his rod, and they (rods) became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their (Egyptian wizards) rods.
2. 1Ki 22:25 And Micaiah said, behold, you shall see in that day, when you shall go into an inner chamber to hide yourself.
3. Psa 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise you: the remainder of wrath shall you restrain.
4. Jer 28:15-17 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, hear now, Hananiah; The LORD has not sent you (Hananiah-parallels denominationalists teachers); but you (Hananiah) make this people to trust in a lie. Jer 28:16 Therefore thus says the LORD; Behold, I will cast you (Hananiah) from off the face of the earth: this year you shall die, because you (Hananiah) have taught rebellion against the LORD. Jer 28:17 So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.
5. Act 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you (bar-Jesus the wizard-parallels a denominationalist teacher 2Pet 2:1), and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
6. Act 19:15-17 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you? Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. Act 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
7. Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
8. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us (Christians), what shall the end be of them (rejectors) that obey not the gospel of God?

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Prayers for all victims, and an end to this.

I am supposed to be in a production of "Godspell" soon. I've never seen the show nor have I really read much about it. As I began looking into it, I started seeing images that almost seemed to poke fun at Christ and the Gospel. I don't want to be in a show that is blasphemous in anyway... I was raised (& am continuing to be raised) in a Christian home, in a biblically sound teaching church and gospel-sharing community. I want my church friends to come see the show but I am concerned that it will lean more towards satire rather than true heartfelt message of the Gospel... Can anyone maybe give me insight on that?

FreeinChrist said:

Here is one of the pictures from the article showing an adult tarantula:

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His fingers are pinching some legs, otherwise there would be more legs.

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****shudder*****

Lord have mercy! So very sad.

Lord have mercy! That’s terrifying!

It’s sickening how the world hates us so much. Jesus warned us this would happen. I can’t say I’m too surprised.

How sad.

Belk said:

Uh... Only to people he agrees with. Otherwise he strikes me as vengeful and mean spirited.

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Perhaps you’re right. It’s just his personality.

Gnarwhal said:

Yep, those practices, just like the cult of Santa Muerte, are syncretic practices. They basically were converted but over time they reincorporated their pagan ideas and rituals into the Catholic faith. Which is why you'll find things like votive candles in voodoo shops.

It's a disgrace that I really wish the Vatican would make more noise about in the offending cultures.

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Yeah, I also see those votive candles in Asian grocery stores.

mourningdove~ said:

That was very good. Thank you for the encouraging word today!

Have you read the book: "The Crook in the Lot: God's Sovereignty in Afflictions" by Thomas Boston and Jason Roth? The message in the book is very similar to that in the video you've shared. Like your video, it's very good. (It's available on Amazon.)

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I have not heard of it. I'll have to look into it.

essentialsaltes said:

That is certainly not true.

Harris was the Bidenomics-as-usual (since it's working) candidate.

Trump has promised many radical changes to government.

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My opinion only.

Aaron112 said:

"Little children, avoid idolatry" James. (or 1 John?).....

The world is overfull of idolatry and false gods, not just those made of wood and silver and gold.

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Very sad but also true.

wing2000 said:

The MAGA responses here are telling...

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Not as much as the libs here...

JEBofChristTheLord said:

Since you are not God, and not remotely close to His knowledge of His people, I'll remain very confident that you know almost none of them, and therefore have no good in making such accusation.

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Dale said:

Satan is often pictured on a throne in hell. Is there any truth in this picture?

Take a look at the following passage from the Epistles.

Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him
the name that is above every name,
Ph. 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth,
Ph. 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
glory of God the Father
Phillipians 2:9-11 NIV

Hell is usually assumed to be under the earth.

From John Gill’s commentary on Phillipians 2:10:

<< … of [things] in heaven: the angels there, and the souls of departed saints, with those who are already clothed with their bodies: and [things] in earth; both good men, and bad men: and [things] under the earth; or "in the abyss", as the Ethiopic version renders it; meaning either the devils in the bottomless pit; or rather the dead bodies of men in the grave, which shall come forth and stand before the judgment seat of Christ. >>

Gill tells us that “in the abyss” is a reasonable rendering of “under the earth” in Phillipians 2:10, so Jesus is the ruler of the abyss, just as He is the ruler of heaven and earth.

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No, hell is a place of punishment created for satan and his demons, satan does not rule hell, he will be punished there.

Heavenly Father, we pray You will empower Withhope and give him Your Peace. May Your Will be done, in the Name of Jesus. Amen and Amen.