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I need relief

I'm having constant stomach and eye pain can you please pray that it goes away
Praying now!

Lord God I lift up SerenityA to You right now and I pray for a miracle in their current situation and for the complete healing and restoration of their health! I pray for all stomach and eye pain to go right now in the name of Jesus! Eyes and stomach be healed in the name of Jesus! I decree- that Serenity is healed, they are delivered, and they are free in the name of Jesus! Pain go now in the name of Jesus! Thank You God!
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Video shows 4 captive Ukrainian troops killed by men identified as Russian forces

Per the AP

The report found that torture and ill-treatment of POWs took place on both sides, it was more common against Ukrainians — more than 9 in 10 of interviewees reported such abuse— than against Russians, about half of whom testified to such mistreatment.


Those are big enough numbers that I don't want my tax dollars going towards either side of the conflict.

"I back that side that only mistreats and tortures 50% of the POWs instead of 90%" isn't a bumper sticker I'll be putting on my car anytime soon.

I still suspect that the prevailing "Trump and Putin are best buddies" narrative is clouding the judgement of half the country.

The fact that so many people were so quick to fly the flag of a nation "in solidarity" that had this track record:

Ernst & Young ranked Ukraine among the three most corrupt nations out of 43 surveyed, alongside Colombia and Brazil. By 2015, The Guardian referred to Ukraine as "the most corrupt nation in Europe". Transparency International's Corruption Index (CI) provides further insight. In 2013, Ukraine was ranked 144th out of 180 countries, indicating an extraordinarily high level of public sector corruption.


...I still can't help but think ulterior motives are at play.

Otherwise, it'd be like putting an Outlaws MC sticker on the back of your car to show support because they happen to be feuding with the Hells Angels.

I'll still maintain that the half of this country that feigns "deep concern" about this conflict is only doing so because of the aforementioned perception. If there were never a perception that "Putin helped Trump win", most wouldn't care about this conflict and would still be holding their previous "non-interventionist" sentiments.

One big steaming pile of Bulverism.
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Embracing temperance to strengthen your faith

As we neared the end of Lent, my mind was haunted by something a priest had said at the beginning of the liturgical season: “You should spend some time thinking about what you will take with you from this time.” So quickly do I run from the season of fasting, almsgiving and prayer right into the realm of Easterwith all its celebration and feasting.

While it’s not advertised as a negative season by any means, the season of Lent can have a negative connotation because we often choose to go without certain indulgences, pleasures or conveniences. But the encouragement from this priest reminded me that Lent is meant to be a positive experience for us. The time we spend in fasting, prayer and almsgiving is meant to inform our celebrating and feasting. The ways we are invited to participate in Lent are directed toward rooting our lives in virtue. Seen this way, the season of Lent — and even Easter — takes on a different light.

The pursuit of virtue​


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Traffickers pose as Christian missionaries in Thailand to entrap victims

Here is a roundup of Catholic world news that you might have missed this week:

Traffickers pose as Christian missionaries to entrap victims, Thai-Phillippine law enforcement says​

Human traffickers have begun posing as Christian missionaries or pilgrims in order to pass airport controls, Philippine and Thai police reported after a recent investigation, according to a report from Agenzia Fides on Wednesday.

Law enforcement recently stopped two young women, 23 and 25 years old, from being trafficked to Thailand by an older woman who claimed they were Christian missionaries. After noticing inconsistencies in their documents, airport officials detained the women, who said they were “volunteers belonging to the Catholic Church for missionary work in Thailand.”

Upon investigation, they discovered the older woman to be an organizer of a trafficking network that smuggles women to Thailand. The young women accompanying her had been allegedly “seduced” by the prospect of a teaching job, then pulled into a criminal network of prostitution.

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Maine schools hiding info about students' gender dysphoria from parents: attorney

An attorney has voiced concern that the Maine Department of Education may be taking advantage of state law to allow social workers to establish a "confidential relationship" with a child to prevent parents from accessing and reviewing education records related to their child's counseling.

An attorney for a Maine mother who sued her daughter's school after a social worker provided the 13-year-old with a chest binder says the instance is not the only time a district within the state concealed information about a child's gender dysphoria from parents.

Amber Lavigne filed a federal lawsuitagainst the Great Salt Bay Community School Board after finding a chest binderin her daughter's room in December 2022. Lavigne also learned that school officials had helped her daughter "socially transition" by using a different name and pronouns when referring to the girl, all without her mother's consent.

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The lexical/dictionary meaning of the word "name" in the Bible

Leviticus 22:


John 14:


Acts 4:


The word "name" could mean

  1. the label of a person, i.e., the spelling of a person's name, e.g., "YHWH"
  2. the person's character, Lev 22:32 above
  3. the person's authority, Jn 14:13, Jn 17:11.
  4. the person's title, e.g., Immanuel
  5. the person's reputation, e.g., Jacob's name means supplanter
  6. even the person himself, Acts 4:13.
In the Bible, the word "name" does not usually refer to the label (meaning #1).

Even today, we accept these usages:

She was beginning to make a name (reputation) for herself as a portrait photographer.

They kill in the name (authority) of religion.
True, but it's also unfortunately true that most believers from a non-Jewish background have forgotten about the very personal name of God. Or maybe think that 'Jesus' is the new personal name for God ...

These days many read the passage on the triumphal entry of Yeshua in Jerusalem, for which both Yeshua and the crowd quote from Psalm 118:26-29:
Blessed is the one who comes in the name of YHWH;
We have blessed you from the house of YHWH.
YHWH is God, and He has given us light;
Bind the festival sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.
You are my God, and I give thanks to You;
You are my God, I exalt You.
Give thanks to YHWH, for He is good;
For His lovingkindness endures forever.
Yeshua as Messiah comes in the name of YHWH ... I think even the sacrifice reference can be linked to the Messiah from a NT perspective.

Without recognising personal names we get mixed-up theology.
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[The Economist] The Secret Life of the First Millennial Saint

I wouldn't normally post a secular article but this one's actually pretty good and it's focusing on something that's bothered me for a while: how the Church's canonization process has changed in recent decades. This kind of culminates for me in Carlo Acutis and this article I think makes a lot of very salient points that I've found to be true in my own experiences. Like, if you talk to anyone who's stoked about him, if you ask them why he's gonna be a Saint, they all usually point to the same couple of factoids about him like he was a young dude who made a website. To say nothing of the point that he didn't make the website out of some overflowing sense of piety but it was an assignment given to him.

Another thing the article points out is that his mom has been the primary engine driving the Carlo's cause, which as I understand it, is the whole reason the Church for most of its history waited at least 50 years before even opening a cause.

I think the bar has been lowered too far in the process, JP2 dispensed with the devil's advocate and now they're canonizing people within just a few years of their deaths. My concern is the messaging this sends to Catholics both current and future. Not just about the Church's standards for canonization but also whether they're playing too fast and loose with the doctrines of it to begin with, it could unravel a lot of people's faith in other claims of the Church by extension.

The site has a paywall but you can still view the article for free you just have to navigate through it.

Federico Oldani is a pale, thin analytical man in his early 30s who lives in Milan and works for an Italian aerospace company. He grew up in the city, and at the age of 11 began attending Istituto Marcelline Tommaseo, a private school in an expensive neighbourhood. He quickly became friends with Carlo, a sunny, extroverted boy who shared his passion for fast cars.
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Carlo never spoke to Oldani about Jesus. Oldani knew that Carlo’s parents were religious and Carlo was culturally Christian – everyone was culturally Christian – but he had no idea Carlo was an ardent believer. In the course of multiple conversations, Federico went back and forth about whether he had known anything at all. Sometimes he said he had an ambient sense Carlo was religious, at other times he said he had small clues he put together later. The hagiographies tell us that faith was the centre of Carlo’s life. His parents may have seen it. But at his Catholic school, his reserve on the subject was so complete that when Carlo told Oldani he was making a website cataloguing miracles, Oldani saw it more as an expression of his friend’s passion for computer programming than anything else.


As a bonus, here's the recent Avoiding Babylon episode where they discussed this article:

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New and confused

Thanks. I'm mulling over if I should go towards non-Catholic churches that have High Church, like Episcopalian or Lutheran, or if I should go to a bible based non-denominational church. Transubstantiation and the Eucharist are really important to me, and while Catholic confession really drives me insane, I have this worry if I don't do it, I'll be damned.

I've been watching a lot of Youtube videos from Protestant pastors and lay people about confession, the Mass, and Holy Communion so I can get a better understanding of what those things may or may not mean outside of a Catholic perspective. I just get so bogged down with worry on if I'm "doing the right thing". Like you said, I need to pray to God about this and allow him to guide me on the path he knows is correct.
Don't worry too much about church expectations - read your Bible and try to discern Gods expectation from you. Tomorrow (Sunday) is the Pass-over celebration as Jesus celebrated it .. when He spoke the words 'this is the New Covenant ...' (promised in Jeremiah 31:31–34) The wine represented His blood / life. The bread represented His body. What makes you think the wine/blood would be literally Jesus blood/body if he was still alive and well when He spoke those words? Just asking? :)

As long as your desire is to please God and diligently seek His will and serve Him you can relax and find comfort in His grace .... read Psalm 23. He knows not everything is happening in one day?
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John 14:6 no man comes to the Father except through me(Jesus)

I would like to know why most people think this verse only includes those who die after Jesus went to the cross and why this is not a true statement for those who came before Jesus?
Many Lose any discussion , WHY ?

# 1 There ARGUMENT has not merit

# 2 And do not have a good PREMISE

# 3 There CONCLUSION , does not matter

And I see one GLARING mistake , and the context is Israel !!

But with the Apostle Paul , I know who he is talking to , THE BODY of Christ !!

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About the current book called "Book of Jasher"...

Correct.



Not really. Barring a few fragments, the Greek book Jude quoted has vanished. There is no evidence that the Ethiopic text we have today bears any resemblance to what Jude quoted.

There are also Aramaic fragments among the DSS. They don't quite agree with the modern Ethiopic text either.

Incorrect.

The Aramaic for Enoch 1:9 is essentially the same as the version of Enoch from which Jude quoted.

To argue "there's not enough evidence" in this case is misleading. No reputable scholar denies that Ethiopic Enoch is fundamentally the same as was used by the apostles in the 1st century.
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Sda changing

Hi, I just wanted some input and clarity about some concerns I have with the current sda movement. I grew up sda. Left the church, came back, left again. It's been a struggle to say the least. Over the last few years I've noticed a big change. I don't want to get political at all, but it seems like a left moving church. Unless I watch sermons online I don't get any real preaching from the pulpit. The congregations seem to be very different from traditional sda's. Church seems to be more of a weekly gathering than a weekly worship. The church I was attending now has a woman pastor and the churches around also have women pastors. They probably out number the men. I don't know where everyone stands with this, but I don't. A few YouTube sda pages I follow, its just continuous division, Its as of the Church is falling apart. I believe what sda's believe, but the church seems broken and doesn't not seem like a place to come to. I'm struggling with all this and I'm looking for clarity and direction. We all want to make the right choices and do good in eyes of the Lord. I'd appreciate some feedback. Thanks.
Hi there,

I have to commend you for wanting to come back to your faith. I understand your concerns and I shared these same concerns 4 years ago when I moved from Pastor Doug Batchelor church who is very conservative to another State. I was exited to try out some of the. SDA churches in my new area and it was very disappointing as I felt like I was in a Sunday church, music and big band more prevalent than a solid message, one church didn't even know what the quarterly was. It took a good six months of trying different SDA churches before finding one that had a solid message, only to learn the pastor was moving and the incoming pastor was not anyone I could relate to, so back to that whole process again. Thankfully God led me to a biblical based church with super warm fellowship, so don’t be afraid to try a few churches before making one home.

Yes, there has been some progressive values coming into the SDA church. Sadly, the devil is in all churches and why we have to know our bibles over what someone is saying at the pulpit. As long as our fundamental beliefs don’t change I will continue as an SDA but very selective on the church I go to and what pastors I listen to. Some of my favorites online are Doug Batchelor , Walter Veith, James Rafferty Pastor Parvel Goia, Stephen Bohr and some of Ivor Meyers. Walter Veith often speaks about the changes in the church, don’t be discouraged, keep the faith and ask Jesus help to find the right church for you. Now is a good time to come back, Jesus is coming soon! :heartpulse:

God bless!
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Will Trump Negotiate Tariffs? White House Claims Over 50 Countries Want To Talk

Even if you got some money from this, the lost trust in your reliability/stability and that you speak truth may cost you more. It is like winning some argument in a relationship by being rude, violent, threatening, lying. It damages your long term success.
It's really sad that, for some folks, "winning some argument" is literally, the only important thing for them.
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Judge lashes child gender-medicine experts in blow for clinic

One of Australia’s foremost child gender medicine experts has been ruled to have misled the Family Court when giving evidence to support a mother who wished to prescribe her child puberty blockers.

One of Australia’s foremost child gender medicine experts has been ruled to have misled the Family Court when giving evidence to support a mother who wished to prescribe her child puberty blockers, in a judgment that calls into question the integrity of one of the nation’s peak gender clinics.

Justice Andrew Strum’s extraordinary judgment, which stripped the mother of custody and effectively prevented the child from accessing treatment, criticised the approach of hospitals to children questioning their gender, saying the decision to “affirm unreservedly” any child that raises concerns over their gender is “oddly binary”.

He also found the gender clinic that treated the 12-year-old failed to formally give a gender dysphoria diagnosis until the court proceedings had commenced, despite having treated the child since they were six.

The case marks the first time a sitting judge has blown a hole in the country’s gender-affirming treatment of care guidelines. While Justice Strum does not comment generally on the gender-affirming care model adopted by the gender clinic at the child’s hospital, the judgment raises big questions regarding the treatment of gender-incongruent children.

The matter centred on the biologically male child whose mother believes is gender dysphoric and should be prescribed puberty blockers, but whose father wanted to hold off on treatment and “let the child be the child”.

In handing down his judgment, Justice Strum sided with the father who did not wish to “pigeonhole” his child, and decided “all options” in the child’s life should be open.

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Limited negatives: Making sense of how Jesus spoke

Here is an example of limited negative. NIV, Mark 9:

37 “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”
I do not take this literally. New Living Translation:

“Anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes not only me but also my Father who sent me.”
See also I DID NOT speak to your fathers concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.

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The following is from Keith Giles:

Quite often in the Gospels, Jesus – and other Gospel writers – will use a common Hebraic figure of speech called a “Limited Negative” to emphasize a point.

A limited negative is often constructed like this:

“Not A, but B”.

For example: “…children who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” [John 1:13]

What the writer actually means is: “Not only A…but also B” or, sometimes: “Not merely A…but primarily B”

Such an idiom becomes recognizable when it would be absurd or contradictory to take an absolute-sounding statement in its absolute sense.

In the example above, it would be foolish to try to use this verse to teach that the children of God are NOT born of blood or flesh. That would be ridiculous. Of course, Christians are “born..of blood” and “of the will of the flesh”, but the phrase is meant to illustrate that we are not merely born of the flesh, but primarily – in a greater way – born of the Spirit.

Once you recognize this as a common idiom and figure of speech, you can easily understand many other verses of scripture from this same perspective.

Here are a few more examples of limited negatives:

“Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life.” (John 6:27)

Meaning: “Do not work ONLY for natural sustenance, but MAINLY for your spiritual sustenance”

“He who believes in me believes not in me, but in him who sent me” (John 12:44)

Meaning: “He who believes in me, believes NOT ONLY in me, but ALSO in him who sent me.”

“…for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.” (Matthew 10:20)

Meaning: “It is not ONLY you speaking, but it is MAINLY the Spirit of God speaking through you.”

“I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34)

Meaning: “I did not come ONLY to bring peace, but ALSO to bring a sword.”

And what sort of “sword” did Jesus intend to bring? The context of the verse tells us that he is referring to division between father and son and brother and sister, etc. as some may accept Christ and others may reject Him as Messiah.

This verse is not about war. It’s about how a decision to follow Christ may cost you relationships, and this is why He also tells us to “count the cost” of being His disciple.

Hopefully, this helps you to better understand Jesus and the other New Testament writers when they use language like this and not get confused as if they are making absolute statements about literal truth.
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The restoration of two papal monuments in St. Peter’s Basilica

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Two popes who played instrumental roles in building the world’s largest church now gaze at one another with renewed clarity in the apse of St. Peter’s Basilica.

After decades of accumulating dirt, dust and grime, the funerary statues of Popes Paul III and Urban VIII were returned to their original luster as part of a broader restoration campaign inside the basilica, which included conservation work on sculpture surfaces and a new lighting installation in the Vatican necropolis below the basilica.

Pope Paul III, who died in 1549, summoned Michelangelo to take over the basilica’s design after its construction was stalled — a move that redirected and accelerated its completion. More than a century later, Pope Urban VIII consecrated the completed church in 1626, dedicating it exactly 120 years after the first stone was laid for the new basilica on April 18, 1506, by Pope Julius II.

The restored tombs in dark bronze and shimmering gold stand opposite one another in the apse, framing Baroque master Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s monumental sculpture of the chair of St. Peter.

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being deceived with false sin into real sin?

I had a thought earlier today and im curious what you all think of this. Is it possible for satan to deceive us into thinking that certain things are sinful only to have us focus so much on what we are perceiving as sinful that we can fall into something that truly is sinful like coveting over it? Thoughts?
Yes, we can have something that is good and maybe feel guilty that we are being spoiled by having it, but then we can really sin by lusting for it.
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Exodus Historicity

A year ago I made post here regarding Exodus historicity and through year I interacted with major scholars and egyptologists. And I realized I made error in abandonment of Jewish city. It didn't happened during Amenhotep 2 but Ramses. Also scholars and egyptologists pointed me into right date acording to Bible and there I found more compelling evidences than ever. Here there are.

WHEN EXODUS HAPPENED?

"they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh." Exodus 1 11

Pi-Ramesses was the new capital built by the Nineteenth Dynasty Pharaoh Ramesses II (1279–1213 BCE) and it didn't exsist in any form before that. It also talks about specific action attached to it like building it so it cannot be anachronism. Also name of Ramses is the only name of pharaoh that appears in Exodus therefore it is obvious that it happened then.

The text indicates that the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years; that would coincide roughly with the narrative of Genesis, when Joseph would have gone to Egypt at the beginning of the 17th century BCE, according to the chronology that appears to be operative there (in Genesis

MAIN EVIDENCE

1 ABANDONMENT OF AVARIS

After Ramesses II constructed the city of Pi-Ramesses roughly 2 km (1.2 mi) to the north, Avaris was superseded by Pi-Ramesses, and thus finally abandoned during the Ramesside period acording to Manfred Bietak excavation there. Most importantly, the surrounding material culture does seem to continue on until the Rameside period. So the Semites who remained there after the Hyksos period were still there through the Thutmoside and Amarna period. But midway through the Rameside period, Tell el-dab’a (Avaris area) is left in ruins and replaced by cemeteries.

Bietak says there was “a Western Semitic population living in the eastern Delta for quite a length of time, from the late 12th Dynasty (ca. 1830 BC) until the Ramesside Period”

HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS ISRAEL CITY?

The research that led to this new began in 1966 when the Austrian Academy of Sciences opened the still-ongoing excavations at Tell el Dab’a, (ancient Avaris or Hwt-Waret) and identified the site as the Hyksos capital. Look, I’ll be straight with you: the Exodus was based on the Hyksos. No doubt about it. That is what the Egyptian historians claimed (Manetho), and that was what the Jewish historians claimed (Josephus). The Hyksos arrived in Egypt at the same time that the Israelites entered Egypt in the Bible. They both settled in the same city. Each of their leaders was granted authority equal to the Pharaoh. Each of their first kings was said to bear the title of “Shalyt.” Each stayed in Egypt for the same length of time. Each was driven by the country by a new Pharaoh who was concerned that they might turn against the native Egyptians. Each was driven from Egypt into the Levant. They left Egypt in similar numbers.There is evidence that the first Hyksos arrivals migrated from Mari, just like the family of Abraham. They have recovered over a dozen signet rings bearing the inscription “son of Jacob.” They found an Egyptian-style tomb for an Asiatic chieftain, adorned with a coat of many colors, and surrounded by eleven smaller family tombs, all from the same period. They found a papyrus from near the time of the departure of the Exodus with a list of slaves, and many of the names appear directly in the book of Exodus.

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2 conquest of Joshua

As to the only pharaoh associated in any way with Israelites, it is Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BC), son of Ramses II (reign: 1279–1213 BC). The famous “Merneptah stele” is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. The stele is sometimes referred to as the "Israel Stele" because a majority of scholars translate a set of hieroglyphs in line 27 as "Israel.

What is the significance of this text? Hershel Shanks, editor and author, answers: “The Merneptah Stele shows that a people called Israel existed in 1212 B.C.E. and that the pharaoh of Egypt not only knew about them, but also felt it was worth boasting about having defeated them in battle.” William G. Dever, professor of Near Eastern archaeology, comments: “The Merneptah stele tells us unequivocally: There does exist in Canaan a people calling themselves ‘Israel,’ and thus called ‘Israel’ by the Egyptians—who, after all, are hardly biblically biased, and they cannot have invented such a specific and unique people as ‘Israel’ for their own propaganda purposes.”

3 Jericho

Jericho is one of the city that has very unique manner of destruction and there are evidence it was destroyed in 13 century.More recently, Lorenzo Nigro from the Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan has argued that there was some sort of settlement at the site during the 14th and 13th centuries BCE. He states that the expedition has detected Late Bronze II layers in several parts of the tell, although its top layers were heavily cut by levelling operations during the Iron Age, which explains the scarcity of 13th century materials. You also cannot accuse of Nigro the biasses cause of his says that the idea that the Biblical account should have a literal archaeological correspondence is erroneous, and "any attempt to seriously identify something on the ground with biblical personages and their acts" is hazardous. He also thinks Exodus is dated at 15 century.Lorenzo Nigro's excavations at Jericho published a Late Bronze layer that ended up in ruins in the LB IIB period (=13th century BC). See:

"The Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan, Ancient Jericho (1997-2015): Archaeology and Valorisation of Material and Immaterial Heritage" in (eds. Sparks, Finlayson, Wagemakers, Briffa) 'Digging Up Jericho: Past, Present, and Future,' Oxford: Archaeopress, 2020, pp. 175-214

4 Desert artifacts and inscriptions across sinai mention Israel.

There's a late Middle Kingdom Proto-Sinaitic inscription from an ancient copper mine in Sinai that appears to mention Moses' metallurgist brother-in-law Hobab in connection with the Israelites, who are frequently referred to as 'the Assembly of the Sons of Israel’ in the Moses account.

It reads:

“Now unto the Assembly and unto Hobab is the majesty of a furnace.”

Again, found at an ancient copper mine in the Southern Sinai Peninsula near traditional Mt Sinai and Biblical Dophkah, where the scripture records the Israelites stopping after the Wilderness Sin where Yahweh sent them 'Manna' to eat for the first time.

An inscription found at Dophkah reads:

“I uproot an oppressed garden! Who is on the Father's side in keeping your Manna?”

There is a alter at Mount Elba dated to around 1200 BC, but right under its foundation is earlier sacrifices from sheep, goats, cattle and deer and also a scarab depicting Thutmose III (but scholars state this is from 1250BC and not earlier).

5 Mountain Sinai

Experts believe they’ve finally found one of the holiest sites in the Bible — miles from where it was previously assumed to have existed.

A biblical archaeologist organization, The Doubting Thomas Research Foundation, claims it has found the actual mountain where, according to the Old Testament, Moses lead the Israelites – a mountain that was enveloped in smoke, fire and thunder – and where, at the top, Moses received the Ten Commandments from God.

Right at the foot of the mountain, there is an undeniably man-made structure with features that fit the Biblical requirements for a sacrificial altar.

This L-shaped structure clearly resembles chutes, which would be used for lining up the animals for sacrifice. At the end of the line, there is evidence of burnt sacrifices and various features required for the Exodus story to take place.

It is an earthen altar, does not have steps, and is made entirely of uncut stones, an anomalous design among most man-made structures

Tests on samples of the blackened rock retrieved in the 1980s by Bob Cornuke indicate they are metamorphic basalt.

The analysis of his rock samples concluded that it is most likely basalt that went through metamorphosis:

“[the rock was] metamorphosed in the low to middle amphibolite facies and may have undergone metamorphism at an approximate temperature of 500 degrees or lower at lower pressure, no more than 2 to 3 kilobars. My guess is that the rock started out as an igneous rock, probably of basaltic or andesitic composition and was later metamorphosed.”

6 plagues

Studies of stalagmites in Egyptian caves have found that timing coincides with a period of prolonged drought. AccuWeather founder and executive chairman Dr. Joel N. Myers, author of Invisible Iceberg: When Climate and Weather Shaped History, says the extended dry spell could have triggered a domino effect of natural disasters such as those described in the Bible.

“Once you have a drought and a heat wave, everything changes,” he says. “When the climate changes, a series of disruptions occur that feed on each other.”

The Bible lays out exactly the chronological events of the plagues. It isn't a coincidence that the exact sequence of events is verified by stalagmites taken from caves in Egypt, the presence of volcanic ash and pumice stone in an area where there has never been a volcano, and a complete change of climate during the reign of Ramses II, which would have accounted for these events.

All over the city of Avaris are shallow burial pits with multiple victims. There were no careful interments as was required under Egyptian customs. The bodies were thrown one on top of another in mass graves. There is no evidence of grave goods being placed with the corpses as was the Egyptian custom. Bietak is convinced this is direct evidence of a plague or catastrophe.

Wood shortages noted in later periods in Egypt, likely resulting from locust.

Amun-her-khepeshef was first in line to inherit the throne of Egypt from his father, Ramesses II's. He died before inheriting his father's titles 25 years into his father's rule.

7 Others evidences

High amount of Egyptian loanwords that's significantly more frequent than would be expected in Imperial Aramaic

Egyptian names in Pentateuch

Names fit with 2nd Millennium BCE

Use of toponym Raamses

Other Toponyms fit with 13th Century BCE

Exodus. 14-15 is similar to Kadesh Inscription

Not written in a Mythological Fashion

Attested in multiple Israelite sources

Literary device "mighty hand"

Requests for temporary leave

knowledge of Egyptian crop circles

Biographies of Ahmose showing that the people of Ataris were enslaved.

A change in dynasty explaining the new Pharaoh's lack of knowledge of Joseph.

Egyptians considering Semites enemies.

Rameses' successor was not as militarily strong, suggesting a weakening of Egypt in the wake of Exodus.

Other discoveries in Bible

The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

The [cylinder of Cyrus] (Cyrus Cylinder - Wikipedia) confirms the role Cyrus the Great and the Persian Empire played in ending the Judean captivity in Babylon as described in the Bible.

The writings of [Flavius Josephus] (Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia) provide a non-Christian source that supports the historical existence of Jesus.

There are countless more archaeological discoveries, as well, that confirm that the Bible, as a history of the Israelite people, at least reflects the history of a people as they told it.

Common objections debunked.

Consensus of experts is that exodus didn't happened

Contrary to the very popular misconception, the scholarly consensus among actual Egyptologists is that the Exodus is “very likely” rooted in historical events, but most Egyptologists shy away from the subject because it is too controversial. That is according to a survey of Egyptologists conducted by Dr. James Hoffmeier, who is himself an Egyptologist, the Professor of Old Testament and Near Eastern Archaeology at Trinity University, and the director of the North Sinai Archaeological Project.

According to Hoffmeier, 85% of the Egyptologists who responded to his survey believe that the Exodus was likely rooted in historical events. Many of them connect it to the expulsion of the Hyksos in 1522 BC (which has some very startling parallels the Exodus account), while others associate it with the reign of Ramses II. Only a few respondents said that a historical basis for the Exodus was “unlikely.”

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Why Exodus matters

Why Exodus events are so important. Getting Large numer of people out of Sinai without starving is miracle. Diffrence beetwen Exodus and other events is that it relies on miracles happened. If those were random natural disasters then pharaoh would never release slaves without being threaten. Even if you would explain all natural things in this story you would never explain why all those miracles happened at around the same time. It's timing is miraclous.

if God does not exist, the individual incurs only finite losses, potentially sacrificing certain pleasures and luxuries. However, if God does indeed exist, they stand to gain immeasurably, as represented for example by an eternity in Heaven in Abrahamic tradition, while simultaneously avoiding boundless losses associated with an eternity in Hell.

Sources

Pi-Ramesses - Wikipedia

“On the Historicity of the Exodus: What Egyptology Today Can Contribute to Assessing the Sojourn in Egypt,” in T. E. Levy, T. Schneider and W.H.C. Propp (eds.), Israel's Exodus in Transdisciplinary Perspective, Heidelberg-New York: Springer ,

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Why I Took Down Exodus Rediscovered

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Moses' Altar and the 12 Pillars - Doubting Thomas Research

Mount Sinai's Distinct Blackened Peak - Jabal Maqla

Did Ramesses II, also known as Ramesses the Great, have anything to do with the ten plagues or exodus from Egypt?

Did the 10 Plagues of Egypt Really Happen? Here Are 3 Theories

Ten Plagues of Egypt

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@Tinker Grey welcome yes I'm River Sea at RF however I do not have this name River Sea here at CF. I'm rvs here at CF.

Now to form a question from @Mrpp post from the quote above.

From in the middle of quote that @Mrpp wrote:
The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

I'll see if I can form a question

@Mrpp @Tinker Grey
King David married a Moabite correct?

What are your thoughts about King David marrying a Moabite, or am I mistaken about this?

Did King David ever mention anything about Exodus?
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Can we mathematically assign a probability to an event 2000 years ago?

Prof Bart Ehrman said:

What is the probability that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist? They want me to give like … 92% probable. No, you can't. With history, you can't do that.
Ehrman could not do it, but I can. I accomplished that with I bet that Jesus was a historical figure.

You make it sound like you have some kind of objective, mathematical, precise thing.
Right, in fact, it is called Subjective (Bayesian) Probability. Historians always avoid quantifying probabilities because they are not formally trained in Bayesian reasoning. I am, but I am not a historian. Subjective Bayesian probability is not the same as personal whimsical probability.

We cannot assign frequentist probabilities to historical events because they are not random trial experiments. However, we can formally, rigorously, and precisely assign numerical Bayesian probabilities to such events based on objectively measurable historical evidence.
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