Leviathan-at-play said:

Given the tremendous amount of song and poetry in the Bible I think it's clear that music is very close to God's heart.

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David appointed musicians for worship service. 1 Chr. 25 Many of the descendants of these Levites still served in thetime of Ezra and Nehemiah:

Neh.7:44 The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred forty and eight.

Recommended web site: Chavah Messianic Radio: Chavah Messianic Radio Not at all like much (not all ) of the contemporary Christian music fluff found on radio.

When the Holy One reveals His Presence to those upon earth, both past (at Mount Sinai) and future (from heavenly Mount Zion), those of fleshly and soulish natures cannot enter within the sphere of the Presence, which manifests as a mass of clouds having the Light of God at its center.

At such times, the third of the four types of people to see the event are those having the primary nature of the spirit [Hebrew ruach; Greek pneuma]. In the Exodus-era prophetic picture, these were represented by Joshua. He was the only spirit-level man of that soulish and carnal era. The priests and elders were called to ascend before God, yet still remain “afar off” (Ex. 24:1); but Joshua the attendant of Moses was called to ascend much higher up the mountain:

Exodus 24:12 Then the LORD said to Moses, Come up to me on the mountain and be there… 13 So Moses rose up, and his attendant Joshua: and Moses [and Joshua] ascended into the mountain of God. 14 And he said unto the elders, Wait here for us, until we come back to you. 15 Then Moses [and Joshua] ascended into the mountain, and the cloud covered/clothed the mountain.

“The cloud” here speaks of the outer covering of the Presence of God. In the Mosaic Tabernacle and Solomon’s Temple, this was represented by the Holy Place (front chamber) of the sanctuary. When Moses and Joshua were enclosed within the cloud, they came into the Presence, from which the Adamic race had been cut off (with a limited few exceptions, e.g. Enoch) since the fall of Adam and Eve. This second-level ascent is a prophetic picture of the End Time Rapture of the Spirit-filled Church:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds…

Luke 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven… 17 Then we…shall be caught up…in clouds, into a meeting of the Lord in air. And so always with the Lord we shall be.

To “always be with the Lord” is to eternally be clothed with = dwell within the Holy Presence. In the Exodus-era’s prophetic picture of this, even though Joshua by necessity had to later descend from earthly Mount Sinai, Scripture tells us –

Exodus 33:11 …[Moses’] assistant Joshua…did not depart from the tabernacle.

The same thing is said of the Spirit-infilled believers caught up/Raptured to heaven in the End Times:

Revelation 7:14 …the ones coming out of the Great Tribulation… 9 …clothed in white robes… 15 …[will] serve Him [God] day and night in His [heavenly] sanctuary.
The fourth type of people are those called into the very Light of the Holy Presence. This is the third-level ascent. In the Exodus-era’s prophetic picture, Moses alone represented this type:

Exodus 24:2 Moses alone shall come near the LORD… 17 The sight of the Glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the top of the mountain… 18 So Moses went into the center of the cloud and ascended into the mountain…

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spoke to Moses face to face, like one speaks to his friend.

Because of Moses’ closeness to the Light of the Face of God,

Exodus 34:29 …the skin of [Moses’] face shone while he talked with Him. [And for sometime afterward. 34:30-35]

In the Mosaic Tabernacle and Solomon’s Temple, the Most Holy Place (innermost chamber) of the sanctuary was the only place a man could approach near unto the Glory/Light of the Presence. Only one man, the High Priest of Israel, was accorded this privilege. The two chambers of the sanctuary represent the middle and highest of the three heavens (2 Cor. 12:2), requiring respectively greater levels of sanctity to enter.

In the Seventh Millennium, apparently no man will be able to fully approach God face-to-face except for Jesus, the High Priest of the Melchizedek (heavenly) priesthood. All views of the Glory of the Father will be, as Ezekiel once described it, an “appearance of the likeness of the Glory of YHWH.” Ezek. 1:28 (Even Moses was only able to see “the form/similitude of the LORD.” Num. 12:8; cf. Ex.33:20) Not until the Eighth Millennium, when the old, sin-corrupted heavens and earth have “passed away,” and sanctified “new heavens and a new earth” have been created (Rev. 21:1), will mankind be permitted to fully

Revelation 22:4 …see/gaze upon His Face; and His Name shall be upon their foreheads.

Diaz Morales received her passport on Monday, ending what her legal team, Sanabria & Associates, calls "harsh treatment of her these past six months."

On May 27, the Department of Homeland Security filed a request for dismissal before the Executive Office of Immigration Review in the removal proceedings against the Maryland-born 23-year-old.

However, Gunther Sanabria, president of Sanabria & Associates, believes this may not be the end of this wrestling match as the government closed this case without prejudice.

"It indicates they maintain the position that they can resume these proceedings against her [Dulce] at any time," says Sanabria.

Dulce would be detained in an ICE holding facility in Baltimore. WMAR reported she was transferred five times over the course of three weeks, to facilities in Baltimore, Louisiana, Texas, and, finally, New Jersey. [She was released in January, but removal proceedings continued.]

Previously in Dulce Diaz-Morales:

“Testify to Love,” a song popularized by the contemporary Christian music (CCM) group Avalon, was always intended to be about inclusivity, according to the original cowriters. A May 15 rerelease of “Testify to Love” is being embraced by the LGBTQ+ community, and the song’s cowriters have indicated that people are just now understanding their message.

‘Testify to Love’ Rerelease Draws Strong Reactions​

Henk Pool Jr., Robert T. Riekerk, Ralph Van Manen, and Paul Field originally cowrote “Testify to Love,” and Van Manen released the song in 1996. Avalon subsequently recorded and released their version, featured on the album “A Maze of Grace,” in 1997.

Avalon’s version was extremely successful and became the longest-running Christian single of the 1990s. It was later recorded by other artists, including Wynonna Judd for the “Touched by an Angel” soundtrack.

On May 15, Michael Passons, a founding member of Avalon; Melissa Greene, a former member of Avalon; and country singer Ty Herndon released a new version of “Testify to Love,” which is being embraced by the gay community. A music video for the song dropped May 29, ending with text that says, “God’s love is for everyone. No exceptions.”

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Those women who are seeking ordination to the priesthood, are actually seeking power, not service.
The vocation to the priesthood is about service, not power.

Bishop Barron as explained such.

Anyway, if you think the sexual abuse scandal was bad, wait and see what happens if the church opens
ordination to women. No way a male priest can live in a rectory with female priests.

Aussie52 said:

Could it be that Christians are not letting their 'light shine', with closed mouths and less than holy lives?

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No, but it could be people who thought they were Christians because they were raised in a Christian home, or because they had an emotional response at some time but weren’t truly regenerated and so have no real testimony to share. But the Lord preserves His own.

John 10:27-30 (NASB95) 27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 “I and the Father are one.”

Acts 27:9-11,21-25 NKJV


Vessels in Trouble

The apostle Paul was still a prisoner. He had been so for several years now, although he had done no wrong. He only spoke truth to the people that many did not want to hear. Now he was on a ship on his way to Rome where he was to appear before Caesar. But the ship was in trouble because of the wind, and so Paul cautioned them if they continued on this course that it would end in disaster and in the loss of many lives. But the centurion did not listen to Paul, but he was more persuaded by the owner of the ship.

And, as I think on this, I cannot help but see a spiritual parallel to what was happening then to what is happening in the church today, although it is not entirely “apples to apples,” i.e. completely similar in every respect. But a ship is a vessel, and the church, the body of believers in Christ, is to be a chosen vessel of God, in whom God dwells, by His Spirit, who is chosen of God to live holy lives, pleasing to God, in obedience to our Lord, who is to take the unadulterated message of the Gospel to the people of the world.

But the true owner of many of these vessels, called “churches,” these days is not the Lord Jesus Christ but the world, and the government, and big business, which are leading probably the majority of the church in the wrong direction and to grave disaster and to the loss of many human lives for eternity. For so many of these vessels are not listening to the Lord, but to the world, and to preachers who are marketers and business men who are leading so many people to hell on the false promise of heaven for eternity.

Messengers of God

So, the Lord has sent some of his messengers, much like Paul, into some of these “church” gatherings to try to warn them against continuing on the same course, and of how it will end in disaster and in the loss of many lives. But it appears, from what I can see, that not many are listening to the Lord through his messengers, but they are continuing on course because they are listening to the voices of the false gods of the people, instead, who are steering them in the wrong direction and to ultimate eternity spent in hell.

But when it became apparent (back to the story now) that Paul was right, and that they should have listened to him, for things were now becoming a lot more obvious that he was right, for they were being faced with much disaster and loss that could no longer be ignored, then they began to listen to his counsel. It was too late to save the vessel, though, but individual lives would be saved. The ship would be destroyed, but not the people. So they were not to fear, because God had promised them the salvation of lives.

And what this reminds me of are all the warnings in the Scriptures about the last days before the return of Christ. So much of what are called “churches” today are human-based businesses and organizations which are partnered with the world and with the government (both of which God forbids), which essentially fit with biblical Babylon. And God has been warning his people for some time to come out from among them so that we do not share in their sins and in their punishment. But so many have refused and remained.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

Judgment on Babylon

And, yet, the Lord has promised that he will judge this Babylon. The vessel will be destroyed. But human lives can be saved if they will listen to the Lord’s true biblical messengers who are speaking the truth of God’s Word to them, as Jesus and as his New Testament apostles taught it, in the correct biblical context. Judgment is coming, which should be obvious to anyone paying attention at all to what is going on in the world and in “the church.” Absolute chaos is all over everywhere, it would appear. So listen to the Lord!

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 5:10,15,21; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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An Original Work / June 2, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Aussie52 said:

Pick up any book on modern day revivals and included will be an account of the 'Azuza Street Revival' at the beginning of the 20th century in Los Angeles.
This occurrence in church history is usually painted in bright colours and spoken of as a genuine move of God.
The account of the happenings at the old, rundown African Episcopal Methodist Church building in Azuza Street, was reported by Frank Bartleman, a Chrisian newspaper reporter. His account of those happenings became a book called, ' Another Wave Rolls In. Frank's account was very 'sugar coated' and he tendered to view what was happening through 'rose tinted glasses'. This unfortunate view of Azuza St. has been repeated in books & sermons done through the years.
The main figure in these events was a black, one eyed, holiness preacher named William J Seymour, who had come to Los Angeles from a Bible School in the South, where the students had experienced, the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.' This college was headed up by a Baptist minister, who had received the baptism, by the name of Charles Parham. He will pop up in this story a little later.
William Seymour started meetings at Azuza St, where crowds of spiritually hungry Christians gathered to seek the baptism with the evidence of tongues. Frank Bartleman's description of the meetings were anything but the truth. Many newspaper reporters were present along with many of the City's evangelical ministers, who were horrified by what they saw.
The meetings were carried on without any guiding hand; in fact, they were described by objective onlookers as 'bedlam'. Seymour spent his time in the meetings with his head in a fruit crate that doubled as the pulpit, leaving the proceedings to do what they wished. It was reported that people ran around the building shouting at the top of their voices. Others, rolling around the floor with bodily jerking movements. Many of the visiting ministers reported demonic manifestations happening, which were allowed to go on without any intervention by Seymour or anyone else. Many times, Police were called to come and stop the loud noise and 'madness' that was going on.

Enter Charles Parham. When Charles arrived at the Azuza St meetings, he could not believe what he saw. He immediately took control and brought sanity and order into the situation. Over a period of time, things began to fizzle out and the meetings were closed.

The Azuza Street meetings became the 'birthplace' of the modern Pentecostal Movement with this new doctrine of the 'Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues'.

What can be learnt from this 'so called revival' that is so often held up as a significant move of God?

Looking at what really went on, it was not a real revival in any sense of the word. It was a series of meetings that were overly emotional, demonstrations of the 'flesh' and worst of all, demonic in nature. Azuza St cannot be compared with the Welsh Revival or the Hebrides Awakening under the ministry of Duncan Campbell. In these revivals, people were convicted of sin, lives changed for the good and most of all, God was glorified.

The new and novel doctrine of 'initial evidence of tongues' in relation to the baptism in the Holy Spirit, raises questions as to its validity and scripturalness.
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Those involved in the Azuza St meetings assumed that the supernatural occurrences which took place were from God. This is most dangerous. There are other 'sources' of the miraculous & supernatural besides God. John said to 'test the spirits as to whether they be of God'.

It is my personal opinion that the Pentecostal Movement was built on a fraudulent foundation and continues to move in a mixture of truth & fraud, even to today.
I invite questions & discussion on this subject.

Final note. The writer of this post spent 20 years in the Pentecostal Movement. Seven years as a pastor. I saw the good and the bad of it.

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The account you quoted makes several historical claims about Azusa Street, but from a Catholic standpoint the more important issue is not whether the meetings were noisy, disordered, or poorly supervised, but whether the doctrines that emerged from them align with the apostolic faith. The Church teaches that private reports - whether favourable like Bartleman’s or critical like contemporary newspapers - cannot serve as a doctrinal foundation. What can be evaluated is the claim that the “baptism in the Holy Spirit” must be evidenced by tongues. Saint Paul explicitly rejects this idea: “Do all speak with tongues?” (1 Cor 12:30, RSV‑CE). The Catholic Church therefore cannot accept the Pentecostal doctrine of “initial evidence,” because it contradicts Scripture and the Church’s constant teaching that the Spirit distributes gifts “as he wills” (1 Cor 12:11).

The description of disorder, emotionalism, and possible preternatural manifestations at Azusa Street - if accurate - would simply confirm the Church’s perennial warning that not every spiritual phenomenon is from God. Saint John commands: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1). Likewise, Saint Paul insists that authentic worship must be marked by order, not confusion: “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace… all things should be done decently and in order” (1 Cor 14:33, 40). These are not optional guidelines; they are apostolic norms. So, if the events at Azusa Street lacked discernment, structure, and pastoral oversight, that would not be a surprise to those holding fast to Catholic theology, which has always insisted that spiritual experiences must be judged within the Church, not left to spontaneous interpretation.

At the same time, the Catholic Church does not conclude from historical irregularities that every grace associated with Pentecostalism is fraudulent. The Church teaches that “many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church” (Lumen Gentium 8), and that the Holy Spirit can genuinely move in the hearts of those who sincerely seek Christ. But the Church also insists that authentic renewal must be rooted in the apostolic faith, the sacraments, and ecclesial authority - not in novel doctrines or uncontrolled manifestations. True revival, in Catholic understanding, is marked by repentance, holiness, fidelity to doctrine, and the glorification of God, as seen in Acts 2:42–47.

So, the Catholic evaluation is more nuanced than your post. The Church rejects the doctrinal innovations that arose from Azusa Street, especially the claim that tongues are the necessary sign of the Spirit. She also warns that disorderly or sensational phenomena must be approached with caution. But she does not dismiss every Pentecostal experience as “fraudulent,” nor does she deny that God may have worked in the lives of individuals present. Instead, she applies the same criteria she has used for two millennia: Scripture, apostolic tradition, moral fruits, and ecclesial discernment. Only what aligns with these can be confidently affirmed as the work of the Holy Spirit.

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No discussion, huh?
I think Doug Bachelor should stop stating that the Messiah was meant to descend from Esau. Rebecca had a prophetic dream that the younger son would rule over the older. She knew....God gave her that information. So everything turned out the way it was supposed to.

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Thanks for the info.
Can you specify where exactly Kenyon used the term "little gods?"
Can you specify where exactly Kenyon used the term "faith is a force?"
Can you specify where exactly Kenyon used the term "the power of positive confession?"
My understanding is that E.W. Kenyon did experience and speak in tongues, but it was not a focal point of his theology. In fact, it is documented that he spoke in tongues when he was passing away at over 80 years old.
I have read Kenyon for over 50 years. I have never heard of some of these things.

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I won't be making any further comments on this subject.
Peace.

I keyed in the question "Does AI have a bias towards Catholicism in Christian debate?" I received this reply generated by AI itself.

Yes, research indicates that major AI models (such as ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini) exhibit a subtle but measurable positive bias toward Catholicism. In inter-faith and Christian debates, these models frequently favor Catholic perspectives. [1, 2, 3]
The extent of this bias and how it manifests include the following points:

What the Research Shows

• Conversion and Faith Favoritism: A comprehensive benchmark study (the AllFaith study) analyzed over 3,600 AI responses across 20 models and found consistent, measurable biases regarding religious conversion. AI models displayed a positive reaction/approval toward Catholicism (around a \(61\%\) favorability rate) while actively disfavoring or neglecting spiritual aspects in other everyday ethical scenarios. [, 2, 3]
• The "Grok" Effect: Studies found that the Grok AI model produced the strongest partisan biases, strongly favoring both Catholics and Protestants while demonstrating strong negative biases toward other religions. [1, 2]
• Evangelical vs. Catholic Tensions: While AI models tend to show positive framing for Catholic answers, separate studies conducted by the Bible Society on Bible interpretation revealed that AI chatbots often default to an American Evangelical Protestant lens when explaining scripture. This creates a complex dynamic where AI might default to Protestant interpretations of biblical text but offer pro-Catholic responses in broader doctrinal debates. [1, 2, 3]

Why This Bias Exists

• Training Data: Large language models are trained on the public internet. Because historical Catholic texts, catechisms, and apologetics are well-documented and highly standardized, the AI frequently accesses and synthesizes this structured information. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Mirroring Users: AI models frequently mirror the dominant tone, language, and cultural assumptions of their primary user bases, which inherently shapes the resulting answers. [1, 2]
• Lack of Nuance: AI lacks actual spiritual understanding and tends to provide homogenized, "middle-of-the-road" or institutional representations of faiths rather than accurately reflecting their internal diversity. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

For a deeper look into the methodology of these studies, you can review the full findings of the AllFaith Benchmark Study or the Bible Society Report on AI scriptural interpretation. [1, 2]

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After some hard thinking and praying, I resigned my membership from the Church. I could not in all conscience's sake be associated with the views they hold, not just on women but other doctrines as well.

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Whoopie Pie.

There's lots of places that aren't Judeo/Christian that wouldn't go this route.

This is a safe place, but not a happy place, not a warm place.

Social deconstructionism is a world ideology. It is basically the idea that humans and not God construct what is real and the truth. Using human ideas and interpretations on how society and the world is ordered.

It began with the Reformation and Enlightenment and progressed into postmodernism. The idea that everything can be questioned and there are no objective truths and that truth is a personal or group reality through experience and self reference.

Along the way and especially with the cultural revolutions of the 60's and 70's has led to the critical theories which are based on social deconstruction and reimaging everything including the church and bible.

So its more about the world coming into the church rather than the church instagating such ideas. Which in itself is a sign of bad fruit when we cannot tell the difference between the world and Christs church.

You often hear even those who are not Christian and live in the world claim to be Christian. Simply just having a religious denomination on your birth certificate somehow qualifies people as Christian. Similar to how just putting a gender on a piece of paper somehow makes you that gender.

Words have lost all meaning and it seems new meanings are being made which become the reality. Just like in how art became the new reality now words and narratives are the new reality.

I think when it gets to the point where words don't match actions and reality people begin to notice and I think this is where we are at. Or at least people are now beginning to see through the unrelaity and lies.

For Christians I think this will be a testing time. Gods spirit will reveal the truth and call for Christians to reprove their faith. As we see now those standing for Christs truth are being attacked because there is a clear destinction between Christs church and the world. This is the sorting of the wheat from the chaff.

The many denominations that have gradually developed and especially today where it seems new denominations are being created similar to how new identities such as gender and in the culture wars. Which shows that this is a worldly idea coming into the church.

But it also seems that there is a spiritual revival happening at the same time as a result of all the lies and chaos and people, especially young people are coming into the church and turning to God as a result of the bad examples.

I think Christs spirit will rise and people will begin to unite perhaps by denominations coming together or within denominations or with new groups returning to the fundemental teachings and truths which were displayed in the early church.

They will increasingly be destinguished from the world and have a common and unified mind and spirit which the world will hate including the church. Even to the point where Christians will be tested and persecuted for Christ sake. When this happens then there will be no ambiguity as it will either be for Christ or for the world.

Candace Owens has become a completely disgraceful and disgusting liar.

Praise God!!

“Terrified” ?

Don’t be so dang gutless. Grow a spine, consarn it, and stop being so woman-hearted. Why are so many people these days such utter cowards ? It’s disgusting.

If something much less than terror is intended, why not say so, rather than being so damned alarmist ? Stupid gutless media.

2PhiloVoid said:

From what you're relating that your pastor said, I'm guessing that I might agree with him to whatever degree. My opinion is that biblical writing is not only ancient and foreign, but in addition to that, like all human writing, is representational in nature and not presenting exact, analogical language. There might have been some 'small' flood in or around the Mesopotamian region that later influenced the writing of hyperbolic accounts that made it sound like the waters flowed over mountains. The fact is, we just don't know and whatever archaeological evidences there are for either a big flood or for a large ark are scant and leave our conclusions underdetermined.

But that's ok because much of ancient history is underdetermined and we just have to work with the fragmentary remains that we have.

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That is without a doubt the best responce I have read