Dale said:

Will Medicare dollars be there for you when you need them? Donald Trump obviously doesn’t care.

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Now it isn't immigration - because that was completely debunked with you own OP - so the goal posts now move to Medicare?

You for got that President Trump also punches puppies in the face with brass knuckles for entertainment and please don't forget how he sponsored this:

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Genesis 22:

2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

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Originally, Moriah was the name of a general region. The specific site was shown later to Abraham on location.

Centuries later, in 1 Chronicles 21:

18 Then the angel of the LORD ordered Gad to tell David to go up and build an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.

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Some years later, in 2 Chronicles 3:

1 Then Solomon began to build the temple of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to his father David. It was on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the place provided by David.

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At this point, Mount Moriah was connected to Abraham's near sacrifice of Isaac and David's altar. That's the spot where Solomon built his magnificent temple. Abraham, David, and Solomon built their altars there.

Now fast-forward to the NT, Pilate delivered Jesus to be crucified in Matthew 27:

31 And when they had mocked him, they stripped him of the robe and put his own clothes on him and led him away to crucify him.

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From Pilate's court, Jesus traveled to Golgotha:

32 As they went out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. They compelled this man to carry his cross. 33 And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means Place of a Skull), 34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall, but when he tasted it, he would not drink it. 35 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots.

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Jesus was crucified in Golgotha outside the city gate of Jerusalem. Hebrews 13:

11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

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Was Jesus crucified where Isaac was almost sacrificed?

Probably not exactly the same spot. Jesus was crucified outside of Herod's temple, in fact, outside of Jerusalem. The two locations likely were not that far away from each other.

I decided I would focus most my time on my spiritual talent my knowledge that I should preach and reading bible and other christian books such as apologetics and being encouraged how christ was with others in persecution and being a missionary and focus on how to serve that I would not be distracted by tv and games though I want to watch tv and play games but it must not come before christ.I will only do if I feel I need break and also seek some way to serve such as learn skills and teach it and work but first preaching more and not be distracted by earthly pleasures such as tv and games or I will do only after I spent most time with christ as it is a talent also can be used to communicate with others about tv.

For others acquaintances and when dating persons prefer someone knowledeable about things having hobbies like games and games can help increase mental capacity and teach how to play to help others play games with others to know to interact with others to share gospel but I must not be too focused as bible says childhood and youth is vanity.

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1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:16 (1) For the Lord (Jesus) himself shall descend from heaven with a shout (cry of excitement), (2) with the voice of the archangel (Jude 1:9 Dan 10:13), (3) and with the trump of God: (4) and the dead (Christians) in (Eph 1:13-14 Eph 4:30) Christ shall rise first:

Jesus Descends with the Voice of the Archangel Michael

1. Isa 25:8-9 He (Jesus) will swallow up death in victory (Rev 1:18); and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces (Rev 21:1-2); and the rebuke of his (God) people (Jews) shall he take away from off all the (1000-year Kingdom) earth: for the LORD has spoken it. Isa 25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we (Jews) have waited for him (Jesus), and he (Jesus) will save us: this is the LORD (2Cor 3:17); we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
2. Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his (Jesus) Father with his angels; and then he (Jesus) shall reward every man according to his works (Titus 3:5). Matt 24:30-31 Matt 25:31 Matt 26:54
3. Act 1:11 Which also said, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven.

• Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you (Christians Acts 17:24).

1. 2Th 1:7-8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

• Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some (rejectors) that trouble you (Christians), and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we (servant leadership), or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we (servant leadership) have preached unto you (Christians), let him be accursed. 1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus (the) Christ, let him (rejectors) be Anathema Maranatha (means rejectors are cursed on the coming of the Lord-Jesus 2Kings 2:23-24).

1. Rev 1:7 Behold, he (Jesus) comes with clouds (Rev 14:14); and every eye shall see him, and they (John 19:34) also which pierced him (Jesus): and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him (Jesus). Even so, Amen.

• Num 23:21 He (God (Isa 7:14 Isa 9:6 John 1:14) has not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither has he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.
• Psa 47:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah. O clap your hands, all you people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.

1. Psa 47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.
2. Zec 4:7 Who are, you O great mountain? before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shouting, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

• Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

1. Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil (Lucifer) he disputed about the body of Moses, (Michael) does not bring against him (Lucifer) a railing accusation, but said, the Lord rebuke you.

Trump of God Dead Christians rise First

• Exo 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
• Exo 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

1. 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead (Christians) shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2. 1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; afterward they (Christians) that are Christ's at his coming.

1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Thess 4:17 Then we (Christians) which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (Christians from the graves) in the clouds, to meet the Lord (Rev 1:7) in the air: and so shall we (Christians) ever be with the Lord.

• Rapture (Caught up) of the True Church Caught up Gr. Harpazo, to carry off grasp hastily; snatch up, to seize and overpower. To plunder. Latin word Raptura, meaning, “to carry away”

Christians Alive Meet the Lord in the Air (Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Col 1:13-17 Heb 12:23)

1. 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead (Christians) shall be raised incorruptible, and we (Living Christians) shall be changed.
2. 1Th 4:15 For this we (servant leadership) say unto you (Christians) by the word of the Lord, that we (Christians) which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them (Christians in graves) which are asleep (dead).
3. 1Ki 8:12 Then spoke Solomon, the LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
4. 1Ki 18:12 And it shall come to pass, as soon as I (Obidiah) am gone from you (Elijah), that the Spirit of the LORD shall carry you (Elijah) whither I (Obidiah) know not; and so when I (Obidiah) come and tell Ahab, and he (Ahab) cannot find you (Elijah), he (Ahab) shall slay me (Obidiah): but I your servant fear the LORD from my youth.
5. 2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
6. 2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, the spirit of Elijah does rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
7. Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
8. Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
9. 2Co 12:2-4 I (Paul) knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows 2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
10. Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
11. Dan 7:13 I (Daniel) saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
12. Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I (Ezekiel) fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spoke.
13. Isa 40:22 It is he (God) that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; (God) that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:
14. Act 1:9 And when he (Jesus) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he (Jesus) was taken up; and a cloud received him (Jesus) out of their sight.
15. Rev 1:7 Behold, he (Jesus) come with clouds; and every eye shall see him (Jesus), and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him (Jesus). Even so, Amen.

Christians with the Lord Jesus

1. Psa 16:11 You will show me the path of life: in your (God) presence is fulness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
2. Psa 17:15 As for me, I will behold your (God) face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with your likeness.
3. Psa 49:15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.
4. Psa 73:24 You shall guide me with your (God) counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
5. Joh 12:26 If any man serve me (Jesus), let him follow me; and where I (Jesus) am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me (Jesus), him (Christians) will (Jesus) my Father honor.
6. Joh 14:3 And if I (Jesus) go and prepare a place for you (Christians), I will come again, and receive you (Christians) unto myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
7. 2Co 5:8 We are confident, I (Jesus) say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
8. Php 1:23 For I (Paul) am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
9. 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we (Christians), according to his (Jesus) promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
10. Rev 21:3-7 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, behold, the tabernacle (Jesus) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, write: for these words are true and faithful. Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, it is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Rev 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
11. Rev 21:22-23 And I (John) saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
12. Rev 22:3-5 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
13. Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that you believe on him (Jesus) whom he (God) has sent.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Christian Comfort

1. 1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves (Christians) together, and edify one another, even as also you (Christians) do.
2. 1Th 5:14 Now we (servant leadership) exhort you (Christians), brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
3. Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
4. Heb 10:24 And let us (Christians) consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works (John 6:38): Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves (Christians) together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.
5. Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Are we referring to Colonel Gaddafi who ordered the Pan Am 103 attack, resulting in 190 American deaths?

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No records show Gadaffi ordered the bombing, he released two Libyan suspects to the Scottish authorities when requested, one was convicted

The Pan Am 103 incident took place in Dec 1988, Gadaffi's overthrow took place in 2011 some 33 years later "After" Gadaffi created the African Dinar (Gold) in 2009 to replace the US Dollar for trade in world oil markets as documented

Barrack Obama in 2011 launched 110 US tomahawk missiles upon Libya a sovereign nation in its overthrow, its was all about Gadaffis Gold African Dinar and a world monetary system for trade, he upset the european imperialistic apple cart, and he was murdered and his Gold was robbed for doing so

Tom8907 said:

Amen, this is so needed. One particular political movement is really wrecking discernment and trying to wreck the body of Christ.

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Thank you for sharing. Glory to God. We all need wisdom and discernment from the Lord.

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Archbishop Vigano's recent statement on the meaning of the election perfectly illustrates the US Bishop's dilemma.

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Jehovah Rapha, we pray You will ease Keith's pain and bring about full healing, in the Name of Jesus. Amen and Amen.

From Sydney to Santiago, Chile, Catholics across the globe are coming together this November to stand in solidarity with those who suffer for their faith.

Persecution and discrimination against Christians around the world is getting worse — that’s the stark warning from the pontifical charity that works with thousands of vulnerable Christian communities in 140 countries.

This coming Nov. 20 will mark “Red Wednesday,” a commemoration held annually by Aid to the Church in Need to highlight the fact that today one in seven Christians face extreme hostility, violence and repression because of their faith in Christ. In some countries, the observance is being extended throughout the week and is called a “Red Week.”

Using red to highlight Christian persecution​

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It is extremely difficult for us to place ourselves “outside of time” since we are only in time.

God would know most of Joseph’s brothers wanted to get rid of him (do evil to him), but also some brothers would not murder their father’s son, so God providing an alternative to killing Joseph by them selling him into slavery in a far-off country. They’re even wanting to kill Joseph is a sin, but God would keep them from the actual act of killing Joseph.



God is not limited by time and we experimentally have shown over the last 100 years; time is relative.

Time has been shown experimentally over the last 100 years to be relative and no experiment has shown time to not be relative. God may have created time, but even if God did not, He still would not be limited by time, His relative time does not have to be controlled by our relative time.

Think about this: If I know a truly free will choice you made yesterday that choice is fixed and cannot be changed, since it is history and history cannot be changed (it happened). The fact I know your free will choice of yesterday does not keep it from being your free will choice.

Just because your free will choice tomorrow is fixed does not mean God is the one fixing it, since you are the one who fixed the choice by making the choice of your own free will.

History cannot be changed even if God was the only one to know about something that has happened, since it still happened it is history. Since God does everything right perfectly the first time, there is no reason to do it over again.

God is outside of time and omnipresent throughout time, so God at the end of time knows everything historically that has happened throughout time, making it unchangeable (fixed). Yet again just because God at the end of time knows all things that happened throughout time perfectly, does not mean human autonomous free will choices were not made and thus “fixed” by man making the choice.

God’s actions are also fixed and can be called foreordained or predestined.

God did not present this miraculous method of “how” He knows the future, but that is not unusual while communicating to man from man’s perspective is also God’s way.

With Peter, God at the end of time, this same God throughout time, knows what Peter and Christ chose to do with Christ being supplied the information by God of the end of time. Christ knowing the unrepentant state Peter was in can also realize His words will not keep Peter from sinning, but will help Peter to repent in the end, but it is still Peter’s choice.

There is another reason the Bible does not explain God’s time being even different from human time and thus presenting the idea of “time being relative”. If the Bible did say, “Time is relative”, then there would be scientific “proof” of the Biblical God, since the idea of time being relative comes up thousands of years later. The nonbeliever doe not need “knowledge” of the Biblical God, but faith in the Biblical God, so this knowledge is kept from us.

There are other ways God can know stuff, but He is outside of time, so He also knows everything historically throughout time?

God is very much interacting with humans, and He does the absolute best thing, so there is no reason for a do over.

Jesus knew when He was teaching His disciple, what He would be going through on the cross as pure history, but that does not mean He was on the cross constantly or it would not hurt him.

There are exceptional cases in which an abortion is necessary to save the woman's life, but as I've said before: Public policy should be based on the average situation, not the exceptional situation. Exceptions to public policy can be made for exceptional situations.

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There are fanatics on both sides.

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True. Of course, being a taig myself, I tend to be a bit biased, but certainly not biased enough to blow anybody to smithereens over it.

I’m not a big TBN viewer but he had or has a show that used to be on Saturdays where he would sometimes discuss the current events concerning Israel.

SPOILER ALERT:This post contains details about, and a major spoiler for, the movie "Heretic." Don’t read unless you are OK with having a major part of the plot revealed.

I’ve written before in other posts how my oldest daughter and I are fans of scary, thriller movies. So, when we saw the trailer for “Heretic,” we knew we’d be sitting in our usual theater seats for its opening weekend.

From the trailer and initial reviews we read, we thought it was going to be a decent creeper, and we weren’t disappointed. But what I didn’t expect was a movie that presented the heaviest theatrical narrative I’ve seen in a long time about religious belief and disbelief.


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that is not privataztion. There is nothing private about the trial work period ( other than working for a private employer, but it is the SSA that is still paying those benefits for the up to nine months while people try their hand at getting back in the workforce. The problem is because it is a rolling five year period most people do not think to keep up with well gee I worked three months here failed quit for three months, went back for four months quit for two months get to month three month on my next try and uh oh I owe the SSA money now because I was overpaid and then they keep working say for another four months by the time it is caught they owe the SSA say7.5k for five months of overpayment . Sometimes more if it goes for a couple of years like that. For eah month you are overpaid you owe the government that in overpayment. You can see how quickly that can add up if someone is not thinking to catch it

Pentagon leaker Jack Teixeira sentenced to 15 years in prison for sharing military secrets online​

The former Massachusetts Air National Guard member pleaded guilty in March to leaking highly classified military documents online, including some about the war in Ukraine.

Where does the beginning and end of Revelation truly lie? Revelation 1:1 begins with the Revelation of Jesus Christ being made known to John, and the final words in Revelation 22 offer a hopeful blessing for the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be with everyone. However, an essential fact that we may overlook is that the actual conclusion of Revelation does not end with chapter 22. In Revelation, the conclusion of God’s Word is recorded in two different situations, found in chapters 16 and 21.



Revelation 16:17 - And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.



Revelation 21:6 - And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.



The conclusion in Revelation divides into two situations: the “completion” in chapter 16 and the “completion” in chapter 21. Through God’s two proclamations of “It is done,” we see that the record in Revelation 22, hoping for the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be with all, is not the genuine end of Revelation.





1. 'It is done' of Revelation 16



Revelation 16:7 - And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, LORD God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:17 - And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

From the throne, God’s voice proclaims, “It is done.” This declaration signifies the conclusion of the prophecies in Revelation. If the conclusion of Revelation were to end with chapter 16, it would mean that the events John witnessed—such as the seven trumpets, seven plagues, and seven vials of wrath—would unfold precisely as decreed. Humanity would endure unavoidable judgments and calamities, and Christians would be divided based on their deeds, with some destined for the lake of fire and others not. Additionally, the kings of the earth would be gathered for the battle of Armageddon, inevitably drawn to it, regardless of their own will.

In this chapter, God is revealed as “[Lord] God Almighty.”



2. 'It is done' of Revelation 21



Revelation 21:1 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:5 - And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 - And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.



If the completion of God's plan concludes in Revelation 21, then we experience the power of God resetting all things. This signifies that every event foreordained has passed away, leaving no trace, before His proclamation of “Behold, I make all things new.” Thus, the judgments and calamities previously recorded as inevitable also become events of the past.



The declaration “Behold, I make all things new” serves as evidence of this, and the conclusion is realized with God’s “tabernacle” dwelling with his people, as He resides among His people.

In this chapter, God is revealed as the “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."





3. The Choice Before Christians Amidst the Two Conclusions



Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



Many Christians generally believe that Jesus Christ will return at the end times riding on clouds. However, the one who comes with clouds, as mentioned in Revelation 1, embodies the attributes of “Lord God Almighty.” This hints that the scene where the Lord God Almighty comes with clouds culminates in the conclusion found in Revelation 16, where “It is done” is proclaimed. This connection is suggested by the identical description in chapter 16, matching the portrayal of the “LORD God Almighty” in chapter 1, which can be observed by comparing the two chapters.



Revelation 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be**,** because thou hast judged thus.

Revelation 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty*,* true and righteous are thy judgments.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.



The portrayal of the [Lord] God Almighty in chapter 1 aligns with the identical description in chapter 16, underscoring that the one coming with clouds is, indeed, the Almighty whose final judgment is declared complete in Revelation 16.



In this vision, where the attributes of the LORD God Almighty are revealed, the battle of Armageddon unfolds, and the calamities occur according to plan. Christians are judged based on their deeds, with the Almighty God, not Jesus, as the judge. By discerning how the LORD appears in these two conclusions, we gain crucial insights into the flow and significance of Revelation.

The conclusion in chapter 21 is entirely different from the one in chapter 16. Chapter 21 illustrates a completely renewed state, free from prior wars, judgments, and calamities. Here, only those gathered in God's new Jerusalem, set apart as His people within His tabernacle, are recorded as receiving salvation. The proclamation "It is done" marks the end.



Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Those not belonging to God, namely those not recognized as His people as mentioned in Psalm 68, are classified as unbelievers and receive the penalty of the second death. But why do they suffer the second death?

The reason is that, although God declared “Behold, I make all things new” and promised to dwell among His people, providing an opportunity to gather in the new Jerusalem, many chose not to believe and waited solely for the grace of Jesus Christ as they desired. In the conclusion of Revelation 21, salvation is accomplished without the application of the grace of Jesus Christ.



In the conclusion of Revelation 21, the attributes of God as Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, are revealed (Revelation 21:6). The grace of Jesus Christ applies to humanity only when the three attributes—Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last—are fully realized, as seen in Revelation 22 (Revelation 22:13).

The conclusion in Revelation 21 shows a scene in which, after making all things new, God reveals the true identity of Himself and His people, while those who do not believe are subject to the penalty of the second death, having missed their final opportunity for life. Here, the people of God are not Christians because the grace of Jesus Christ does not apply (Revelation 22:13), and “It is done” has been declared (Revelation 21:6). All former things have passed away. God’s people are limited to His inheritance, as stated in Psalm 68 (see previous discussion).

I am a woman called by God as New Jerusalem, also known as bride. I know who God and His people truly are. Those who do not belong to the God who has made all things new in the conclusion of Revelation—including Christians and all humanity—will face the second death in the lake of fire.

The Liturgist said:

I am concerned because you seem to be teaching against the doctrine of the Trinity and the Nicene Creed.

Even if that is not your intent, your post comes across as Nestorian and anti-Incarnational insofar as it repeatedly tried to make a distinction between Jesus Christ and God, when Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, according to John 1:1-18, hence his name Emanuel given in Isaiah. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, having put on our humanity without change, separation, confusion or division.

The Father, His Only Begotten Son and Word, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one God, who abides in three coeternal and coequal persons, which is why we are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit according to Matthew 28:19.

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Jesus is God.
The doctrine of the Trinity and the Nicene Creed are denominational Doctrines. Im using scriptures straight out of the Bible. Not doctrines of men(denominationalism)

Yuck. What's the matter with people.

Jesus says watch and pray lest one enters temptation that He meant to keep them from denying christ and also I think applies to falling in lack of understanding that Jesus promises if one does He will provide way of escape that is strength and wisdom to overcome

Isaiah 49:31
But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.

I was praising God when that odious amendment failed to pass. Both that and the marijuana amendments will likely come back next time. Florida's super majority constitutional requirement is good, changing a constitution should not be simple.

Jesus Knows the Actions of Ephesus Moral Denominationalists

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against you, because you have left your first love (hatred of evil 2Thess 2:10). Gal 5:1-5 get freedom + accept Gospel of Christ

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I (Jesus) have somewhat against you (moral denominationalist), because you have left (go away from) your first love (Rev 2:2,3 left hatred of evil Mal 2:14 wife of your youth Zech 11:13,14). Gal 5:1-5 get freedom + accept Gospel of Christ

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me taught by the precept of men:

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins and clothed them. Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Rev 2:2 and how you (moral denominationalist) cannot bear them (immoral denominationalist) which are evil: and you have tried them (denominational leadership) which say they are apostles (denominational church leadership), and are not (Rev 2:9), and have found them liars (John 8:44 2Cor 11:13-15):

Rev 2:3 (moral denominationalist) And have borne (carried), and have patience, and for my (Jesus) name's sake (reputation Psa 40 the first and the last (title of Jesus)) have labored (struggled Gen 3:22) and have not fainted (Rev 5:8-10 grown weak).

Two groups are here those that left their first love and individuals’ remaining.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Rev 2:3 and hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake have labored, and hast not fainted. Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have something against you, because you have left your first love. Rev 2:5 Remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto you, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent. struggling.

Jesus Instructs Ephesus Moral Denominationalists

Rev 2:5 Remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent.

Rev 2:5 Remember from where you (moral denominationalist) are fallen (not qualified Gen 3:6), and repent (regret), and do the first works (Rev 2:3,4 hatred of evil + Gal 5:1-5 get FREEDOM + accept Gospel of Christ=CROSS); or else I (Jesus) will come unto you quickly, and will remove (Ex 32:32,33 Rev 3:5) Jesus does not remove salvation) your candlestick out of his place (position Isa 30:10 lie to me Matt 21:41) except you repent (regret and accept Jesus).

Beginning of non-saved Denominationalism Zech 11:12,13 Matt 26:14-16 Mark 14:15, 44 John 13:28,29 Acts 3:14,15 Luke 22:5,6 Luke 22:47,48 unholy kiss 1Cor 11:19, 3John 1:9, John 12:6-money bag Luke 22:5,6 Rev 1:18 3:20 Isa 28:15-18-SCOURGE {Jer 6:30 Luke 18:33 2Tim 3:7-9 Titus 1:16 Rev 2&3})

(Dan 5:5-c and finger 5:23-idol&finger {candlestick Rev 1:12 1:13 1:20 2:1 2:5} [Rev 11:4 Zech 4:11-14-2 witnesses])

the first works (Rev 2:3-5, Rev 2:9, 19 {Heb 12:2, Heb 9:6, Rev 19:10, Rev 5:8-10} [Psa 40:7, 86:8])

Judas and Chief Priests Begin Denominationalism

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still (Rom 3:13): and he who is filthy, let him be filthy still (Mark 7:6): and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still (Psa 2:12): and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Mat 26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went (Isa 29:13) unto the chief priests, Mat 26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted (formal agreement) with him for thirty pieces of silver (John 12:6 Money Bag). Mat 26:16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luk 22:4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money (filthy lucre). Luk 22:6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray (Luke him unto them in the absence of the multitude.

And he that betrayed him had given them a token (Matt 24:51 Isa 33:14), saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss (unholy ), that same is he; take him22:47, 48), and lead him away safely. Mar 14:45 And as soon as he was come, he goes straightway to him, and says, Master, master; and kissed him. Mar 14:46 And they laid their hands on him, and took him.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto you (Apostles) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loose in heaven.

Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life (2Chron 7:18), whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Jesus Praises a Deed of Ephesus Moral Denominationalists

Rev 2:6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Rev 2:6 But this you (moral denominationalist) have, that you hate (loathe) *the deeds (accomplishments Deut 4:2-4) of the Nicolaitans (corrupt leaders using church positions and extorting money Rev 2:14,15,20), which I (Jesus) also hate (Parallel Matt 23 loathe).

Opinion: Following Resurrection of the True Church Lucifer and fallen angels are permitted the possession of these corrupt denominational leaders and other men. Rev 13:15 possession of the image Rev 16:13,14 possession of Lucifer, the son of perdition and the false prophet

Beginning of non-saved Denominationalism Zech 11:12,13 Matt 26:14-16 Mark 14:15, 44 John 13:28,29 Acts 3:14,15 Luke 22:5,6 Luke 22:47,48 unholy kiss 1Cor 11:19, 3John 1:9, John 12:6-money bag Luke 22:5,6 Rev 1:18 3:20 Isa 28:15-18-SCOURGE {Jer 6:30 Luke 18:33 2Tim 3:7-9 Titus 1:16 Rev 2&3}) (Deut 4:2,3 Rev 22:19 Rev 2:6,14,15 {Esau Gen 25:29-34 sells for soup})

*Part of the Depths of Lucifer

Rev 2:2 I (Jesus) know your (moral denominationalist) works (efforts), and your

labor (struggle Gen 3:22), and your patience, and how you (moral denominationalist) cannot bear them (Denominationalists immoral denominationalist) *which are evil: and you have tried them (denominational leadership) which say they are apostles (denominational church leadership), and are not (Rev 2:9), and have found them liars (John 8:44 2Cor 11:13-15):

Rev 2:9 I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and *I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, *and which have not known the depths (possession of men) of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

• Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have *committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
• Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odors, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, *and souls of (possessed) men.

Rev 16:13 And *I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

*Opinion: The depths of Lucifer includes the possession of men.

Jesus Promises Gifts to General Assembly of Moral Denominationalists

Rev 2:7 He that has an ear, let him hear (Rev 1:3 Rev 3:6) what the Spirit says unto the churches; To him that overcomes (Rev 5:9 15:3) will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is amid the paradise of God.

Rev 2:7 He (moral denominationalist) that has an ear (ability to listen Gen 3:9,

10), let him hear (pay attention Rev 1:3, 3:6,5:8-10, 22:18,18,9 what the Spirit (1st church angel) says (offers) unto the churches (7 divisions of the general assembly of denominationalism on earth); To him (moral denominationalist) that overcomes (gaining salvation through death Gen 3:22,17 Rev 13:7, 14:13, Rev 20:4) will I (Jesus) give (1st gift) to eat (Rev 7:17) of the tree of life, (2nd gift) which is in the midst of the paradise of God (Luke 23:41-43 {Rev 2:17 7:17})

Beginning of non-saved Denominationalism Zech 11:12,13 Matt 26:14-16 Mark 14:15, 44 John 13:28,29 Acts 3:14,15 Luke 22:5,6 Luke 22:47,48 unholy kiss 1Cor 11:19, 3John 1:9, John 12:6-money bag Luke 22:5,6 Rev 1:18 3:20 Isa 28:15-18-SCOURGE {Jer 6:30 Luke 18:33 2Tim 3:7-9 Titus 1:16 Rev 2&3})

The Church of the Newborn written in heaven is not a part of the denominational General Assembly on earth. Matt 16:16 Acts 29:28 Col 1:15-18 Heb 12:23)

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Gen 2:9

Jesus has already given all things to His Christian Bride the General Assembly of the Church of the Newborn written in Heaven.

Gifts given by God to the Scourge Saints and Tribulation Saints Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26, Rev 3:5, 12,21

Jo 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I (Jesus) say unto you (Nicodemus), Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly (of Christian Saints) and church (body of Jesus) of the firstborn, recorded in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs (receive properties); heirs (receive titles) of God, and joint heirs (receive benefits from the gifts from Jesus) with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him (Jesus), that we (Christians) may also receive glorification.

Gal 4:6 And because you (Christians) are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your (Christians) hearts, crying, Abbas, Father. Gal 4:7 Wherefore you (Christians) are no more a servant, but a son (family member); and if a son, then an heir (inheritor) of God through Christ.

Akita Suggagaki said:

When I feel closest to God I am better able to surrender to God's will for me. Is it the closeness that enables this or is it the desire to surrender that brings me closer?

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Good point/question..
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Draw me close to You, never let me go
I lay it all down again
To hear You say that I'm Your friend
You are my desire, no one else will do
'Cause nothing else can take Your place
To feel the warmth of Your embrace
Help me find the way, bring me back to You...
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From song lyrics:
'Draw Me Close'