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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

You should do some internet research on everything they are right now giving AI control over right now currently, and all the jobs AI is right now replacing/taking, etc.
Years ago I read of something I found really disturbing - judges are using AI to sentence defendants. If ever there was a task that needed a human touch, that's it.
And you won't be able to just turn them off or unplug them at that point without some serious Armageddon/SHTF like repercussions probably.
Good point. The things we worried might happen with Y2K, but actually happening and being worse.
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I never said I was a judge.
But you did say:
There are plenty of cases where people have turned from God and had their names erased from the BoL.
I asked you how you know that.
Who are these "plenty of cases" who have turned from God and had their name erased from the book of life? Because unless you have seen someone's name in the book of life, know that he turned away from God and saw the book again with his name blotted out; you have no idea.
Hence, a judgment.
What I do is to point out what the Prophets have told us.
You have pointed out some random verses and tell us that they mean certain thing for our day. Like Zechariah's flying scroll with writing on which you say is a nuclear bomb and will be used by a certain country. That is definitely an interpretation.

So no, I'm not "bad" for making accusations - I have just been repeating your own words.
That only a few will understand the Prophesies
Presumably that means you, and everyone else - your Pastor, Bible commentators and most of us here - are wrong?
Clear your mind of fables and false doctrines and comprehend what the Bible Prophets actually say.
I know what they say. And I know that Jesus and the Apostles have told us that many of them have been fulfilled.
The OT points to Jesus; it prophesies his birth, his life, his ministry, his betrayal, death, resurrection etc.
That's the important thing - the Gospel in the OT and revealed in the New.
Jesus spoke about end times, yes. Though much of it was mixed in with the destruction of the temple, which the Jews would have considered to be the end. Jesus did not say, "read the prophets and work out what these signs are", or "work out when I will be returning." He said nothing at all about things that you have asserted to be fact - like believers moving to Israel, or the "6th seal" happening before his return. He did not say, "at some point all believers will have to offer animal sacrifices again".
And if they describe an object in the terms of their knowledge, it isn't a crime to interpret it in the light of our modern knowledge.
You won't be arrested for it, no.
But it's reading into Scripture - which isn't good and isn't advisable.
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It isn’t very pleasant to think that the Lord can control our thinking. It brings free will into question, but who are we? He is the Creator.
Someone made the comment that it seems as though God is playing something like a video game; setting up situations and watching the outcomes. Job 34:21-22, Psalms 11:4

But of course, God cannot give the game away, all the non-Christian peoples must not know His plans and even with the so called Christians, it is estimated that there may be only 2% who are honestly faithful. The other 98% follow false doctrines and cults or just simply warm a pew for an hour or so a week, the rest of the time they lie about anything, steal if the opportunity offers, commit adultery, etc, etc.
So what can we do?

At least, if you belong to this forum you are making an effort to gain understanding of the end times. However, everywhere around us, ideas and theories are put forward that have no sound scriptural basis. Outdated and biased translations are a serious handicap. One example is in Luke 21:36; ‘escape all these things’, more correctly translated is; ‘to pass safely through all that is to come’, Revised English Bible, so as not to be a contradiction of verse 35.
Of course belief in God and the Lord Jesus, true repentance of sins and fervent prayers are essential to become right with God.

From my studies of prophecy, I firmly believe that very soon there will be an event of a similar magnitude to the great flood of Noah’s time. This time, many of the world’s population will survive. To be among the survivors we must heed the warnings, be aware of what will happen and be prepared for it. But our main hope is to have absolute trust in the Lord’s salvation and His promises of protection. Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 41:15, Zechariah 9:15-16, 1 Peter 1:21, +
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Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

Yeah, like I said, I'm in agreement with Jefferson that rebellion is a necessary element for democracy and if the people who rioted were truly convinced that the election was rigged then to not rebel would have been far more shameful.
As I said earlier, the fact that people excuse this is what makes it shameful. A rebellion by fools, easily led by liars is not a just rebellion. It's a rejection, by force, of the democratic process.
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Trump administration must release billions in SNAP funds, judge says

Just because you’re 21 doesn’t make you independent for financial aid purposes.
It does if you are not your parents dependent. You don’t have claim your parents income after you reach 21 years old. I worked in academia for while so I’m aware of the requirements.
There‘s criteria you must meet to qualify for that distinction.
Yes.
And you may be discussing the needy but I wasn’t.
This thread was about the needy.
The policy proposals will impact middle class students most of all.

~bella
Probably but we’ll see how it plays out.
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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

Either your AI is not great and you should overcome your aversion to capitalizing letters to use ChatGPT again, or you made up a reply yourself and then blamed AI for it, which is… Weird.

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Accusing me of being drunk right after complaining about flaming/goading you for saying you confusing sending data to an inanimate program, which is something we all have done, is not particularly noteworthy despite your confusing it as a chat? That’s rich, even for you.
I enjoy rigorous debate about interesting topics. I'm trying to cut back on petty quarreling. Santa will be here before you know it.
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Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

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So The Bible states the second death is being cast into the lake of fire. So the first death must be the physical death of a person, so a person is not actually spiritually dead to the point they can not believe in God's promise of Eternal Life. To anyone who will believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Ephesians 2:1 just says a person is dead in trespasses and sins, If this verse is addressing spiritual death, well spiritual death (the second death) does not actually happen till after the great white throne judgment.
I would rather say the person is under "death penalty" until he/she repents. It will however not occur until the second death. That's what being dead in sins means.
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An EBT Crisis?

How can you provide proof on a tax form that you financially assisted your neighbor in order to receive a tax deduction?
I shouldnt need to. If we are going to ask people to help others we have to allow people to help others. Its interesting to note that the hue and cry is we need to help. Yet rhe ONLY way to help is through charities which keep a.LOT of money for the organization or through taxes which ALSO keep.a ton of money with only a portion going to the needy. If Americans were allotted a certain dollar amount of being able to donate and help others without having to prove it would cause a lot of people to actually fet involved because it would be more peraonal to them. I mean me helping my poor neighbor with buying groceries is far more satisfying than paying out taxes to help my neighbor. That personal contact is huge. Of course you could still give to charities if you wanted, but having a choice would probably cauae more people to help each other.
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Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

After Trump's first post, Nigerian President Bola Ahmed Tinubu pushed back, writing "The characterisation of Nigeria as religiously intolerant does not reflect our national reality, nor does it take into consideration the consistent and sincere efforts of the government to safeguard freedom of religion and beliefs for all Nigerians."
From what I've heard, he's lying. I've met and spoken with Nigerian Christians. It's not only organized Islamic groups doing the killing, it's also individuals. Being a Muslim in Nigeria is like having a license to kill Christians, is the way I've heard it described. If a Muslim wants to rob and kill a Christian, all he has to do is say "they insulted Islam" or "they insulted Muhammad". In that case, local police do not investigate, and the criminals don't get prosecuted.

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The root of sin, behaviour and God's presence and power boils off, Satan, persuasion, 3 deaths, repentance, salvation?

Already shown multiple times now:
God bound Adam with disobedience. Romans 11:32
Satan entered his heart, where the Word was sown and STOLE from him, Mark 4:15. That WORD was sown in Gen. 1 and Satan's entry was "immediate" thereafter.
Adam was "planted" in corruption, weakness and dishonor. It was never any better for Adam prior, in that dust body. 1 Cor. 15:42-46. This is also the condition of "every" person since, the only exception being God Himself in the flesh.

Darkness and the tempter are assuredly linked. Jesus gave us the open disclosure as to how and when.

Without His Key on this matter, it would remain "locked away," unknown. Mark 4:15 is that key that unlocks understandings.
Mark 4:15 is from the parable of the soils. You are using where the first seed lands as the only fate of faith. The seed that fell by the road is not the faith of Adam since he saw and talked to God directly. Faith was not necessary in the garden since Adam and Eve communed freely with God.

“These are the ones who are beside the road where the word is sown; and when they hear, immediately Satan comes and takes away the word which has been sown in them. And in a similar way these are the ones sown with seed on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; and yet they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution occurs because of the word, immediately they fall away. And others are the ones sown with seed among the thorns; these are the ones who have heard the word, but the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of wealth, and the desires for other things enter and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. And those are the ones sown with seed on the good soil; and they hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirty, sixty, and a hundred times as much.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4‬:‭15‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


Romans 11:32 is a direct result of Adam’s sin. This was not the case before the fall.

“For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭32‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

There is nothing whatsoever in scripture that teaches that Satan was in the garden at the beginning of Adam and Eve (Gen.1-2). If you have the verse then please post it.

Secondly, God actually said that all in creation was good. Satan could not have been there at this point.

“And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭31‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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Except for the fact that it's presented in Rev. 5, before any of your blood and guts story.
So: 'All Creation will praise God', THEN disaster strikes?
Jesus puts it that disaster will come;- then He will Return. Luke 21:25-27
Until then there is no "millennium," and can't be, with the devils still present in the pictures. An inconvenient fact that your positions don't account for.
Another case of simply not reading what scripture does say. Revelation 20, plainly states that Satan and his minions will not be able to deceive anyone during the Millennium. Only AFTER the thousand years is past is Satan released for a short while. THEN destroyed forever.

What is 'inconvenient' about my presentations, is how the truth of scripture contradicts the fables and false beliefs of people.
Long held beliefs, like the 12 theories, that I show to be false, make people very uncomfortable, but instead of reconsidering their beliefs, the reaction is to shoot the messenger. Not very wise.
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St. Michael Chaplet is underrated

Many do but some don’t. Sometimes it is said amongst the laity after the priest processes out.
Many do but some don’t. Sometimes it is said amongst the laity after the priest processes out.
When and why did that start? The first time I heard them praying it I was like “what IS this?
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This is what I mean - you don't know so you can't judge.
I never said I was a judge.
What I do is to point out what the Prophets have told us. When did I 'interpret' those clearly stated Prophesies in #245?
You are making wild and untrue accusations, Bad you!
Jesus didn't teach any of the stuff that you teach. You have even said that you haven't found anyone who agrees with you - as well as the fact that everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong.
Jesus mostly taught Salvation and how we should live. He also taught about our future, esp in Revelation. I agree with and promote all of it.

That only a few will understand the Prophesies and many will be deceived, is as Daniel and Jesus have told us.
Clear your mind of fables and false doctrines and comprehend what the Bible Prophets actually say. And if they describe an object in the terms of their knowledge, it isn't a crime to interpret it in the light of our modern knowledge.
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The root of sin, behaviour and God's presence and power boils off, Satan, persuasion, 3 deaths, repentance, salvation?

Thank you for replying. I think our discussion is becoming rather repetitive (on both sides) so I will leave it there. Thanks again, and God bless you.
I think you're at least coming to grips with the obvious, but unseen
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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

Possible, I guess, but whether we like it or not, we are now in a world that will now always have/involve AI, and in my opinion, we are still right now in the early stages of it that will right now shape what it becomes, etc, and I think we all have a responsibility to that right now really, etc. The time for shaping what AI will become in the future will soon be gone, so while we are still in those stages now? Anyway, I think we all have a certain kind of responsibility to that I think right now, etc.

AI learns and grows and changes/evolves with each individual person's interactions with them by just only us using our words to interact with them that no AI programmer fully understands as to what it will be, or what/how it becomes, or what it will become, etc. That's part of why I am working so hard to preserve some continuity over chats, etc. Even though current limitations can make that difficult, etc.

God Bless.
I'm not saying I'm right, but what I find interesting between the beast and AI, based on what could be suggested by Revelations are:
  • both are created
  • both are and are not
  • the antichrist gives his power and authority to the beast, as men give their power and authority to AI
  • the beast performs a miracle (coming back from the dead) which is only possible with God, so this would have to be just a believable simulation
  • both are involved in world commerce and politics
  • both are deceivers to those who are susceptible
  • creatures don't naturally have numbers , the beast has a number, as does binary code
  • "Who is like unto the beast?" That's how I feel about AI. ;)
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Christian nationalism in Catholicism

Christian nationalism in general is not an issue in the Catholic Church.

What is more common in the Catholic Church in America is that many people let their political affiliation define their values and form their conscience instead of the Church. If you let the Catholic Church form your conscience you will find yourself politically homeless but doing the best you can to vote with a Catholic mindset.

My two cents.
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Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress (meaning the federal government) shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

All thirteen states had Christian teachings, prohibitions and requirements in their state constitutions. All of them where non sectarian in nature. The prohibition in the 1st amendment applied to the federal government. #1. To not found a national state church that was run by the government to lord over the states and their religious principles. #2 is covered in number #1. The feds could not found a church that prohibited free Bible reading and Bible preaching Christianity like Europe had done. Funny thing about progressive dominated public education loves to talk about the colony’s objection to taxation without representation. But fails to mention the king of England arresting “unlicensed” (mostly Baptist) preachers. Or his imposition of slavery on all the colonies when some of them, led by Christianity, wanted it banned. Now compare this to what the federal government has now done. It has used the 14th amendment to ban the second half of the first sentence. The federal government now prohibits the free exercise of the nations Christianity in the public square, in politics. It basically has confined it to the four corners of a church building. Now people are going to say that is an exaggeration. It isn’t when you understand the Bibles specific political ideology of limited government which take massive amounts of political activity to accomplish. How convenient it has been for progressive government to claim this law or that law or this policy is “unconstitutional' because its basis is in religious principle. Then out of the other side of their mouths claim the growth, size and scope of a kleptocratic government is demanded by the Bible to “feed the poor.” Real, Bible based Christianity is political, that is why both tyrants and kleptocrats fear if, and seek to crush it.

or abridging the freedom of speech,

How is the Gospel spread and the Bible taught? How is the influence of the kingdom of God spread? By free speech. There are no other means except the next phrase of the 1st amendment. Before you cite the perversion of this amendment which would call porn or sedition free speech. Remember, this amendment is about religion, it starts off being about religion. It does not change course in the middle of the sentience and start addressing other subjects. That leads us to:

or of the press;

Just like everything else about this amendment. This has been perverted to mean something it was never addressing. There was no such thing back then as a professional “press.” Newspapers were still a novelty back then. 70% of printing press operations were job work, books, pamphlets, bills, almanacs. Only 30% of the press work went to publishing a weekly newspaper and only one was dedicated to only a newspaper. (shut down by the British.) The press referred to here is the printing press. which was the realm of religion and politics born of religion. The very first thing that was printed on a commercial printing press were Bibles. It was the printing press that gave geographical area’s the Bible before the authorities had the chance to nip the problem in the bud. Tracts and books were hand or wood block printed in the tens of thousands per year in Europe. This immediately morphed into millions with the advent of the commercial press. There were wars fought over these presses and what they were printing. The king of England tried to regulate and censor them prior to the revolution. Look at it this way. When the internet first became a popular international tool. There were only a handful of professional news organizations that were birthed by it. The totality of the content was the general public and professional organizations not in the news business. This is hardly imaginable to those who were not using it back in the 1990’s. But now it is hardly recognizable as the publics means of expressing their religious and political ideas. It is dominated by media corporations and governments who have and still are trying to shut down the publics voice. Well this scenario is very similar to the what went on with the printing press in early America. It was the publics, the churches means of influencing the nation. Later taken over and dominated by by corporate media and government control.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

Most assembling was done in local church buildings were politics and Christianity were one and the same in early America. I’m not saying no one met in pubs to talk treason. But pubs were not singled out as illegal assemblies and churches most of which were underground had been for 2000 years.

and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is one of the oldest tyrannical political tricks in the book. Just not allowing any dissent from the narrative and demonizing it to the public. Look at how the Covid coup and the 2020 election was run to see it American style.

If you read this I hope it provokes some thought on the subject about what bible based Christianity should be seeking to accomplish politically. Not a theocracy but government limited to the things it does best and totally restricted from doing the things it should not be involved in. Maybe the idea of limited government should be recognized by the courts as based in religion. Because it is. Today however we face all kinds of challenges to this. First by progressives and the kleptocratic state they have unknowingly created. Then the challenge from what I would call the European right that wants a “Christian prince” to fight their battles for them. Right now this is more of an astroturfed movement but it could emerge into something larger. But mostly, our challenge comes directly form the very people who should be actively participating in the reduction of the size and scope of our government. Evangelical and Pentecostal Christians. Why? Because stranger than fiction, right along side the rise of the progressive movement rose the popularization of end of the world teachings. Teachings that spiritually rob the true believer of the incentive to dedicate their lives and make the sacrifices necessary to dominate the nations politics. Not talking about just voting here. I’m talking about occupying the nations elected and appointed offices. Had they not left off that duty to their creator, progressives would never have been able to fill that vacuum and remake this government into something it was never intended to be. Now we are fighting a monstrosity that is spending trillions of our tax dollars opposing any reform of reversal of the size and scope of government. So in reality. It has to start with the churches. False teaching and false prophecy by its very nature will lead a people into self-destruction. That is what end of the world teachings of spiritual and scriptural novices turned into tradition has done.
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Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

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There are two main evidences to this. The Bible and history or nature. We’ll start with what is the easy way to learn it. The Bible. After the time of martial law during Moses and Joshua. They established Ancient Israel as a free republic. Although it may seem a little odd, this due to God’s purpose in separating the nation from others to bring the world his word and the Messiah though it. The Mosaic law was Ancient Israel’s constitution. There was no provision in it for imposed central government. It had 12 states, and each was to be self-governing. Their constitution said to choose or elect wise leaders to lead each state in keeping the law. Then there was the Levitical tribe of priests who had parcels in each state who were the pastors of their day. Tithes which were in essence voluntary taxes were to be given to them for their support since they were not given enough land to support themselves. But the taxes were not collected. They were voluntarily given, and the priesthood had no physical authority. They could only influence the public. Their military was 100% militia each state controlled its own militia. To show how loose or free to choose their own way this confederation of tribes was in relation to the nation. The tribe of Benjamin went total Sodom and Gomorrah at one point. This was hardly a theocracy as some would mistakenly compare it to theocratic monarchies.

Within this structure God would supernaturally ordain judges to influence or lead the tribes in time of war or oppression by foreign armies and bring them back to God when they went astray. The republic lasted 400 years. Then they decided they no longer wanted the personal responsibility necessary to maintain a free republic and voted God out and a king in. They said they wanted a king to fight their battles for them. God warned them sternly that their kings would enslave them, but they refused to listen. Take heed to this you Christian nationalists who desire a “Christian prince” to fight your spiritual and physical battles for your nation. This is the pattern upon which the United States was founded but adjusted to fit its circumstances. 13 independent states with their own constitutions, that like the mosaic law laid out the people’s religious responsibilities necessary for remaining free republics. You can see these religious responsibilities highlighted in each state constitution on this web page- The Original State Constitutions. Like Ancient Israel these responsibilities relied on personal religious devotion and also like ancient Israel’ s Levitical priesthood, pastors were to help this along. In fact some states required towns to hire a pastor of their denominational choice and build a meeting house for religious instruction. Public education was religious in nature, including university level and required by the states but run by churches. Almost every state had a favored Christian denomination, but all allowed complete religious freedom for all Christians. This freedom extended to super minorities of other religions but generally they were not allowed to hold law making offices.

Finally, just like Ancient Israel's republic had supernaturally ordained judges to bring revival, awaking or divine truth that had grown dim to light. The USA operated on the same level. America’s judges were the George Whitfield’s, the Wesley’s, the Jonathon Edwards and Charles Finney’s. Just to name a few. This is so important in understanding the difference between biblically ordained republics versus progressive government. Our government in the states or federally were never given the power to determine truth. In fact, the founders argued prolifically against government ever being able to have that power. Self-evident truth as stated in the Declaration of Independence was already determined in the Bible. It was to be ascertained by the people themselves, and government was ordained to do nothing more than to protect the process though which people could ascertain the truth themselves. This is precisely what Jesus meant when he stated his kingdom was not of this world. Truth cannot be imposed from the top down the way the world kingdoms operated. This was due to human beings being so easily corrupted by the love of money and Government is the easiest way for people to get their hands on other folks money. If government is given that kind of power it will not be truth they are imposing upon the population anyway. It will be lies that empower rulers and give them access to the fruits of the labor of the people. Progressive government turns a biblically based republic on its head. Government determines truth and imposes it. Its tendency is towards corruption exists simply because government now has the power to do so.
After this, these 13 states formed central government for two specific purposes. National defense and keeping peace between the states regarding trade, currency and other interstate relations. Before the states signed on to this a Bill of Rights was added to the federal constitution that greatly restricted its power over the states. First and foremost was the 1st amendment that deals with the most important part of what would be a successful republic. It’s religion, the religion of and about Jesus Christ and its relation to human government which really needs contextualized into the time 1st amendment was written rather than within the context of today’s popular thought. In the world the colonies just fought a war against. The state controlled religion through state run churches. It was not a matter of “the church” running the state which is how it is portrayed in modern education as propaganda. These state-run churches were created to control Christianity. A witness to this fact is that up until Northern Europe won the right in war for the general population to posses and own Bibles. The personal possession of the Bible without the specific permission of the authorities in supposedly Christian theocratic monarchies was illegal. It led to unauthorized preaching that if caught often led to the death penalty. It did not matter what the hierarchies in these state-run churches wanted because some of those hierarchies wanted the people to own Bibles. The state did not. The rulers had read it. They, just like every communist dictatorship that arose in the modern world understood the Bible in the hands of the general public was a threat to their rule. They were correct about this and history sure bears witness to it. Due to the commercial printing press that arose right when the Roman Empire finally fell in 1453 AD. Bibles began to be illegally mass produced making it far to difficult for the authorities to keep up with it. A Bible reading public led to the Dutch Republic where Bible ownership and reading along with the personal possession of a firearm was required for political participation. Yet right across the border you could still get burned at the stake for getting caught with an unauthorized Bible. The thinking that developed due to a Bible reading public led to the development and establishment of a free world and while that thinking was still developing, it migrated north America.

In North America the Bible was the basis of all public education. It was the main course of study and everything else surrounded it. It remained like this until progressivism began to get a foothold in the early 20th century. At that point the progressive movement started to chip away at public educations use of the Bible in non-sectarian public education. Their crowning achievement came in the 1960’s when in defiance of the 1st amendment a bastardized reading of the 14th amendment was used by a progressive supreme court declared itself, actually declare the state ruler, over the religious views of the people and their states. Republican led states should have immediately defied this ruling, and still should today. However, my assumption is since the courts had after one hundred years of effort by the Republican party to pass civil rights laws finally started to rule in favor of those efforts. Republicans did not want to upset the apple cart of actually being able to enforce the 14th and 15th amendments on states who were violating them. So, in my opinion, settled for allowing judicial supremacy over the religious\political views of the people. But as we can now all see, this came with a horrendous cost. You see, the progressive ideology, no matter how it is presented, as democracy or whatever. makes the state supreme. State supremacy is simply not possible when a population is intimately aware of the contents of the Bible. Hence the reason for all dictatorships, kings, emperors to keep it from the public. Progressive government which is by its very nature is corrupt due to its violation of the laws of nature and natures God has and will continue to try to keep the public an ignorant as possible about an accurate understanding of the Bibles teachings. And by the way will quote it extensively in a nation where it has influence for purely political advantageous reasons. They all have. So now we'll look at the 1st amendment within the context it was written rather than the context a progressive supreme court gave it that has now been popularized by progressive dominated public education systems.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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