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NxNW · Aug 21, 2025

ozso said:
Shutting down Auschwitz caused a lot of problems too.

You're saying doctors are nazis?

Aseyesee · Aug 21, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Neither do I, going deep into a subject is gift from God.

We can only see what he allows us to see ...

Lukaris · Aug 21, 2025

I believe the Lord by His sinless life, cross, & resurrection gave us a relationship with God in the keeping of the commandments which are according to love.

The rich young man knew the commandments to live by in the law ( see Matthew 19:16-19). The Lord was still fulfilling the law at this point.

Jesus Christ told us to how we are to have a relationship with God in keeping the commandments ( John 14:15-18),

St. Paul shows us this relationship as it is fulfilled ( Romans 13:8-10).

I believe there are other explanations and this seems like one of them.

ViaCrucis · Aug 21, 2025

Daniel Carlton said:
8th century is not early Christianity.

What late councils believed is not my concern as false beliefs had entered some churches and were separated from the truth.

What false beliefs?

Did you bother to look into why the Council came out against Iconoclasm? It's about the Incarnation.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Aug 21, 2025

NBB said:
Is so similar it seems fishy.

Then study the subject to help clear up whatever suspicions you harbor.

-CryptoLutheran

Bob Crowley · Aug 21, 2025

In fairness to Trump and his colossal ego, he's facing political challenges and pressures that most of us know nothing about.

We might need to plead for humility, but when you're dealing with characters like Putin, Zelensky, Kim and the others, while having access to the world's most powerful and nuclear armed forces, Franciscan humility might not be all that much use.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Aug 21, 2025

BCP1928 said:
You know, they're foreign . The don't speak English, they eat weird food, listen to weird music, have holidays that nobody ever heard of, they're proud of their cultural heritage even though they live in America now, it just isn't right. Some of them even eat pets.

I recall they also worship a foreign god named Jesus. Jesus is not even American, but some Jewish guy from foreign land.

If immigrant come to America, they should worship American god.

The Barbarian · Aug 21, 2025

Platte said:
Yeah you corrected me. It was just the land that flooded.

As you learned, God didn't say the whole world was flooded.

Platte said:
Technicality but you are correct.

Right. As you seem to now realize, the flood was not worldwide. If it had been God would have said so.

Platte said:
I’ll be sure to say all the land was flooded next time.

But He didn't say which land.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Aug 21, 2025

BeckyJ said:
""How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?"
It is a good way to shut down a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation. Anyway, I am going to ovetlook it because it defeats any possibility of getting to the truth of the matter."
No, you just don't want to say what you would do in part due to your "full disclosure". So your reply is what is typical of those who have a dog in the fight so to speak.
This post isn't about immigrants from your parent's day...this post is about recent, in the 4 years of Biden illegal immigrants, some who are criminals.
You "overlooking" is just you not wanting to have an truthful and honest convo about the Biden illegal immigrants.
The hypocrisy is that you speak about your parents situation and I'm sure they are wonderful people, but they aren't from the same time and where the Biden illegal immigrants is in that they are pawns in the Left leanings plans and criminals allowed in like rapists, murderers, etc have come in with a welcome mat laid out for them by the Biden admin. Breaking the law out of one side of their mouth and then on the other side they would say "no one is above the law". But we know they only mean that for those who lean Right, not themselves.

So now that I've established that this post is about the current day illegal entrants and not from your parent's time, you should have no problem honestly answering these questions in my last comment...
We can love strangers while not breaking the law.
- How many of these illegal entrants have you allowed to come onto your property or in your home and stay with you as long as they want?
That is what it's like when Biden allowed millions in illegally.
- If any of us came onto your property or in your home illegally, I'm pretty sure you would have the authorities remove us. Correct?
That too is what it is like when ICE is trying to remove illegal entrants and send them back home.

If you want to really have "a reasonable , truthful and honest conversation" then it should be no problem to answer the questions about the Biden illegal entrants. All of it, yes the parts you may not like, are part of a reasonable, truthful, honest convo

I must point out that your post contains some inaccuracies. For a meaningful discussion, it is important for all participants to engage honestly and truthfully.

Your post refers to "Biden illegal immigration," implying that Biden administration policies are solely responsible for the issue of undocumented immigrants in the United States. However, this issue has persisted for decades. After President Reagan granted amnesty to approximately 3 million undocumented individuals, migration continued. By the time President Trump began his term in 2017, there were already over 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country. Between 2017 and 2021, an estimated 3.5 million undocumented immigrants entered the United States. While it is accurate that policies or the absence thereof during the Biden administration have led to increased border crossings, attributing the entire problem to one administration does not reflect the complexity of the situation.

Studyman · Aug 21, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And you merely fail to see how your claims of being free from both the Will of God working in you and the will of the tempter working in you makes your will exempt from the others.

Freewill makes the chooser "god" and shoves both of the other wills aside as inferior to its own decisions.

This is clearly your adopted religion, and a popular one among the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. But a Child that "chooses" to obey his Mom over the words of the popular boy down the street, doesn't make him, the "chooser", "the Mom". It Doesn't mean he "Pushed his Moms will away" as inferior to his own. This is foolishness, and false. His obedient deeds shows what is in his heart, that he Loves his Mom, and trusts her words to guide him over his own words, over his own will, even if it might cost him the praise of other popular boys.

This isn't my opinion, it is what Jesus teaches, and not only what HE teaches, but also how HE lived.

Phil. 2: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore (Because of this) God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Your teaching that Jesus, or men who "Chose" to trust Him, "shoved God's Will aside as inferior to His Own" is not only unbiblical, but it demeans Jesus Himself. Adam and Eve "shoved God's Will aside as inferior to their Own". The many "Christians" in Matthew 7:22,23 shoved God's will aside as inferior to their own.

The fact that God gives men the ability to choose Him, or choose to reject Him, is not Evil, it's Holy and Righteous. And those who freely choose Him and His Words over the "other voices" in the world God placed us in, even if they profess to know God, or call Jesus Lord, Lord, or quote "some" of God's Word, like the preacher in the garden did to Eve, is who God is Seeking.

At least according to the Jesus "of the bible".

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Plain old typical works salvation gospel carryover from Roman catholicism

I don't believe Jesus adopted or promoted the religious philosophies of the RCC. But you are free to preach anything you like.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 21, 2025

Vambram said:
They were not enforcing banking regulations. They were debanking people who disagreed with and were in opposition to the Obama and Biden administrations.

These are not mutually exclusive provisions. People can both violate banking regulations and be in opposition to the current presidential administration. In other words, you're going to need some evidence for your assertion that this wasn't about banking regulations.

Landon Caeli · Aug 21, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Or discriminated against by the majority "group."

I don't care, the whole line of argument is just misdirection on your part.

Why is it a misdirection on my part? Because I'm not automatically favoring the minority?

Try not favoring the minority for once. Let's expand our minds together, and be open seeing things in a new, more balanced way.

LoricaLady · Aug 21, 2025

Thanks for the replies!

Platte · Aug 21, 2025

Job 33:6 said:
Sure. And it doesn't say how long the earth was formless and void prior to that.

In the beginning...The earth was formless and void while a wind from God swept of over the face of the water is what it says

Brightfame52 · Aug 21, 2025

Jn 6:44 is describing the effectual call or the irresistible grace in what religionist call calvinism, or tulip;

When God calls/draws chosen sinners, he gives them hearing ears, seeing eyes, believing hearts, and understanding minds.

These things are Gifts of God, for as Moses wrote Deut 29:4

Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

That word given can also me to cause like in Deut 28:7

The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

So when God draws us by His power He causes us hear, see, perceive Spiritually, they are His Gifts and not natural to man ! 14

Always in His Presence · Aug 21, 2025

eclipsenow said:
It's sad - a side effect of his NPD - but he has not read a book in his adult life. Let alone the bible.

That is incredible. The man has never read a book his entire life?

He graduated high school having never reading a book?

He graduated from a military school having never read a book?

He graduated Wharton school of business one of the most competitive Ivy League schools in the world for business without ever having read a book?

He took $100 million and turned it into a $5 billion industry and never read a book?

He brokered seven peace deals internationally in seven months and you believe he’s never read a book?

He runs 300 different corporations throughout the world and you believe he’s never read a book?

Can you imagine what he could do if he read if he read a book!

And you really want people to believe that. Or perhaps you’re asking us to believe 250 doctors who have never met the man who have never asked him a single question who have never examined him who don’t know anything about his medical history you want us to believe their opinion of them, that’s funny.!

honey badger · Aug 21, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Hence your spin on yet another form of works gospel.

Jesus worked to save himself and you can too if you play the ambivalence card and never commit to actually having a thought one way or the other.

Oh, don't eat the fruit and save yourself!

I've seen enough iterations of that angle too. Sorry. Doesn't fly

this is incoherent ...

Jerry N. · Aug 21, 2025

wing2000 said:
Ever hear the term throwing out the baby with the bath water?

Many of the humanitarian functions of USAID are going to continue under The State Department, but the details have not been published.

Always in His Presence · Aug 21, 2025

BCP1928 said:
We're talking about actual policies, not some stereotype. But never mind, I get it.

The policies of the Democratic socialist is what’s being rejected by their base in droves. But never mind I get it.

fhansen · Aug 21, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Learn the difference between "dominion over sin" compared to false claims of "eradication of sin."

That should be a fairly simple concept for you to define. And I see that you've defined it earlier as "to understand we do "have sin" present tense". But if instead you meant that believers have been given a certain power over sin, freedom from its captivity so that they may overcome it by the power of the Spirit, even if they won't achieve this in a perfect or absolute sense in this life, then you would be consistent with the historic Chistian faith-and Scripture.

To acknowledge our sinfulness is good, essential, in fact. To believe that the gospel amounts to nothing more than this ackowledgement coupled with the faith to believe we're now forgiven is to do violence to the gospel. Jesus came for more than that, more than to simply, suddenly, ignore injustice. He came to restore justice, the right way, God's Way. We're to follow Him in that way.

BCP1928 · Aug 21, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Yes it does. When you push Democratic Socialism, and Democratic Socialism represents 20%. That is being out of touch

Do I really have to explain that to you?

We're talking about actual policies, not some stereotype. But never mind, I get it.

DaisyDay · Aug 21, 2025

rjs330 said:
A bunch of leftist scare mongering, written by a leftist writer.

Poisoning the well with a dash of ad hom. Dispute the facts, if you can.

rjs330 said:
The EPA has been over regulating for many years now, going way above and beyond safety measures. Making more and more demands on our manufacturers which make it more and more difficult for us and t are away our manufacturing.

The regulations return the costs of production to the ones who profit rather than to the general public which suffers from health costs and cleanup costs.

DragonFox91 · Aug 21, 2025

timewerx said:
You'll have to reconcile that with the teachings of Jesus on the matter.

The past belongs to the past or else we'd still be stoning sinners to death or they never were God's Will in the first place. The Jews simply misunderstood the scriptures.

One way it gets misinterpreted, not just by Jews but by all kinds of people, is ‘not good for man to be alone’ means other people should be in your life, it's not necessarily referring to a spouse

BCP1928 · Aug 21, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
In every multi-cultural society, that has ever existed, there will always be a minority "group" clinging to their customs.

Or discriminated against by the majority "group."

Landon Caeli said:
Of you can figure out a solution to cultural barriers in regards to this, you could win the Pulitzer prize.

I don't care, the whole line of argument is just misdirection on your part.

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