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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

I am retired but have a side hustle machine shop in my garage.
Needed to by some more tool holders which normally cost $41.
They now because of the steel tariffs they cost $62.
I can feel the pain of that knife manufacturer.
Make America Great Again.
What kinds of things to you "machine"?
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

Thanks for sharing.

So much of this looks EXACTLY the same as under Biden...remember? When I was told America was heading for an absolute catastrophy.

But let's also remember that the HUGE blip in your trade deficit has put a SIGNIFICANT control on inflation. But that is DEFINITELY not going to last forever. Wait a few months when the effects of tarrifs hit. I'm not even an economist and see the logic of that.
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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

What murder were they celebrating? You do realize we are talking about celebrating a REAL political assassination correct? A man was ACTUALLY killed. So who was killed?
You've been made aware that elements of the J6 crowd were chanting "hang mike pence". I know this, because you've commented on it at least three times in the last couple years.

If you choose to believe the delusion that it was all made up despite us having video of it is on you and not something I can help with.
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I mean, you have seen the opinions about transgender people that have been expressed even here on these (relatively moderated and mild) forums, have you not?

I know you can't say on this forum "we can't win and transgenderism is so bad tgat we have to kill them", but has anyone even come close to saying or hinting that is necessary? Once again we are dealing with a GIGANTIC difference here.

Saying that someone is suffering from a mental illness and they need help is not even remotely close to, these people are full of hate and are so dangerous the only way to eradicate that is to kill them.
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THE GREAT CONTROVERSY in Baltimore, Maryland

The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history.

The narrative pertaining to Christian history presented in the Great Controversy is inaccurate and not accepted by scholars regardless of religious background. It is basically a variant on the “trail of blood” concept of the Landmark Baptists, which is also irrelevant.
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I think that's a big part of it with the younger generations.
It's not just younger generations - it seems to have become an integral component of US culture, if not the entire Western world. A mass shooting occurs, and people think we should immediately know the killer's motivation. People get suspicious when it takes a couple days to count election results. Predictions are made about the course of the nation, and they're dismissed as lies because they haven't come to pass in just a couple weeks or months. And so on.
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Evolution, one more argument against

I believe that test has already been given in your "lesson" to us on the probability of an adaptive organism mutating in a cycling environment.

As to other approaches, what precisely is your theistic-evolution position?

  • Mutations are random changes in genetic systems.
  • Natural selection retains the "good" mutations and allows the others to pass away.
  • Consider a very simple putative organism composed of only 200 integrated and functioning parts.
  • Examine the problem of deriving that organism by this type of process.
  • The system presumably must have started with only one part and then gradually built itself up over many generations into its 200-part organization.
  • The developing organism, at each successive stage, must itself be integrated and functioning in its environment in order to survive until the next stage.
  • Since it is far easier for a complex system to break down than to build itself up, each successive stage becomes statistically less likely than the preceding one
  • A four-component integrated system can more easily "mutate" downward into a three-component system than into a five-component integrated system.
  • If, at any step in the chain, the system mutates "downward," then it is either destroyed altogether or else moves backward, in an evolutionary sense.
  • Therefore, the successful production of a 200-component functioning organism requires, at least, 200 successive, successful such "mutations," each of which is highly unlikely.
  • Even evolutionists recognize that true mutations are very rare, and beneficial mutations are extremely rare—not more than one out of a thousand mutations is beneficial, at the very most.
  • But let us give the evolutionist the benefit of every consideration. Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance for it to be good as bad.
  • The probability for the success of each mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half.
  • Statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060 (one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion).
  • Even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts."
  • Let us assume that earth history is 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds).
  • Let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this).
  • Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try.
  • In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system.
  • Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts.
  • Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021
  • The chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, is less than one chance out of a billion trillion.
(The format options do not allow exponents to show in their normal manner. I trust you will be able to recognize an exponent in context.)

Source: The Mathematical Impossibility Of Evolution | The Institute for Creation Research
Since you typically don't reply to most of what I've posted to you, rather than point out the flaws in the above I have just one question. That ICR article is 22 years old, yet unless I've missed something it hasn't had any effect on evolutionary biology. In fact I'd bet an overwhelming majority of evolutionary biologists have never even seen or heard of the article.

Why do you think that is?
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DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence

And just today under the same topic.

A Trump Administration Playbook: No Data, No Problem

A pattern of getting rid of statistics has emerged that echoes the president’s first term, when he suggested if the nation stopped testing for Covid, it would have few cases.
"When the Trump administration said last week that it would stop requiring thousands of industrial facilities to report their planet-warming pollution, the move fit a growing pattern: If data points to a problem, stop collecting the data.
At the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, experts are no longer tracking the most expensive extreme weather events, those that cause at least $1 billion in damage.
At NASA, Trump officials want to decommission two powerful satellites that provide precise measurements of the greenhouse gases that are driving climate change.
And at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, layoffs have gutted a division that maintains statistics on car crashes, gun violence and homicides, among other things....
...The impulse to get rid of facts and figures that the president dislikes has reached new heights in Mr. Trump’s second term, where it has extended to the officials who oversee that information. In August, for instance, the president fired the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, saying without evidence that weak jobs numbers had been “rigged” and “phony.”...
...At the E.P.A., Trump officials said on Friday that they would end the Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program, the country’s most comprehensive way to track the heat-trapping greenhouse gases that are dangerously warming the planet. Lee Zeldin, the E.P.A. administrator, said in a statement that the program was “nothing more than bureaucratic red tape.”
For the past 15 years, the program has collected data from roughly 8,000 industrial facilities nationwide, including coal-burning power plants, oil refineries and steel mills. The publication of this data has resulted in many companies reducing their emissions, most likely because the firms tried to become greener than their competitors, according to 2023 research by Sorabh Tomar, an assistant professor of accounting at Southern Methodist University.
The OP is in regard to a justice system report. And thanks to forum member Servus, another report was found deleted.
One would think this would alarm everyone.
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

Will it be interesting though......?
Sure it will. I find lots of things interesting, so... *shrug*. But I'll be interested to see who wakes up to what all the woke libs have been saying for a while and who continues to ride the Trump Train because it hasn't targeted them yet.
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The Age of Spiritual Warfare Is Here. Will You Rise or Fall? America’s descent into demonic politics.

Yes; I think the last thread has been severed, and it scares the living daylights out of me. Since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the overall atmosphere has gone from "I don't like their message or their lifestyle, but I will tolerate them, as long as they don't interfere with me personally", to "I do not want anything to do with them any more, in any way, shape, form, manner, or conception. I want them to shut up, withdraw, and get out of my way."

That's a recipe for disaster. The two opposing worldviews have finally completely pulled totally apart, and any thought of compromise has gone utterly out the window. Just look at the way Greg Gutfeld went off on Jessica Tarlov. Greg is a plain-spoken guy, but he usually relies on common sense and judiciously-applied sarcasm to get his point across. Not this time; Jessica interjected one of the usual left-wing deflection tactics ("But what about..."), and Greg, instead of listening patiently and countering, simply shut her down completely. His message, in his own words: "That ȿϦꞎԷ is dead!"


My advice to each of you, my brothers and sisters, is to get your spiritual houses in order, pray for strength and protection, and get just as close to the good Lord as you can get, because if this trend spirals out of control (and at this point, all it'll take is dropping a match on the spilled gasoline), things are going to get very nasty, very fast. :(
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Sanders demands that "Palestinians" be treated with ‘dignity and respect.’ One should ask him why people who promote genocide and incite murder deserve to be treated that way.
Because 'the Palestinian people' and 'the terrorists' are not identical groups of people.

But, over the last two years, Israel has not simply defended itself against Hamas. Instead, it has waged an all-out war against the entire Palestinian people.
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Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

Ok good so you agree with me LOL...the truth hurts lol
You know the difference between mainstream Islam and Islamism and admit that only Islamists define the words you listed as they do, yet you choose to promote the Islamic extremist interpretations of Islam rather than that of mainstream Islam on a public forum. Why would you tell someone that they don't understand things within the context of Islam and then respond to them with anti-Islamic propaganda and an extremist narrative of the religion? What purpose does it serve?
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

"On the podcast of right-wing influencer Benny Johnson on Wednesday, chair of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Brendan Carr said that Kimmel’s words were part of a “concerted effort to try to lie to the American people” and that the FCC was “going to have remedies that we can look at.” “Frankly, when you see stuff like this,” he said, “I mean look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.”

Carr explained: "There's actions we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly, I think that it’s really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say…'We're not gonna run Kimmel anymore...because we licensed broadcasters are running the possibility of fines or license revocation from the FCC.'"

The largest operator of ABC affiliates, Nexstar—which needs FCC approval for a $6.2 billion merger—said it would stop airing Kimmel’s show from its stations. Then ABC suspended Kimmel’s show."

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I pray that in the future, transition surgeries will be viewed with similar horror and disgust as hemiglossectomies were used to treat stuttering and trepanning to treat headaches.
Maybe they will - but if they are, that will mean that we will have found better and more effective treatments.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Sanders calls war in Gaza a ‘genocide’ for the first time

“The truth is, whether you call it genocide or ethnic cleansing or mass atrocities or war crimes, the path forward is clear. We, as Americans, must end our complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people,” the Vermont Independent wrote.

“I recognize that many people may disagree with this conclusion,” Sanders said in an op-ed posted to his website with the title: “It is Genocide.”

In his statement, Sanders cites the death toll in Gaza, referring to figures from the Hamas-controlled government of the Gaza Strip, which does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Sanders also does not mention the GHF, a mechanism supported by the US and Israel that was launched earlier this year to provide aid while preventing it from being diverted to Hamas.

As evidence of the intention to commit genocide, Sanders cites a series of statements by Israeli politicians, including remarks made by the defence minister and the president in the early days of the war, according to which Israel was fighting against ‘human animals’ and ‘an entire nation’ was responsible for the massacre. Both politicians immediately made it clear that they had not called for harm to be done to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.

Much attention is being paid to the fact that Bernie Sanders is Jewish.

In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) conducted a study on anti-Semitism in one hundred countries and entities. The top ten countries, in each of which over 80 per cent of the population holds anti-Semitic views, all belong to the Arab and Muslim world. The "West Bank" and Gaza topped the list with 93 per cent. Despite this fact, Sanders believes that good relations between the United States and Israel should depend on Israel improving its relations with the "Palestinians".

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Sanders goes on to explain that the US should not limit its friendship to Israel alone, but that his country should also seek friendly relations with the most anti-Semitic entity in the world, whose majority party, Hamas, has publicly declared its intention to commit genocide against all Jews. Regarding these plans, perhaps Sanders should first ask Hamas whether it will agree not to assassinate him. He also demanded that "Palestinians" be treated with ‘dignity and respect’. One should ask him why people who promote genocide and incite murder deserve to be treated that way.

Bernie Sanders wants to redirect part of the 3.8 billion US dollars that the United States grants Israel annually in aid, to Gaza for humanitarian purposes. This means nothing less that he wanting to give money to Hamas, an extremist terrorist organisation that would destroy Israel if it could. One wonders what goes on in the minds of such politicians. Although Jewish himself, Sanders would thereby be supporting terrorism against the Jewish population in Israel, in particular the rocket attacks in the border area with Gaza. This one-sided view, particularly among left-wing politicians, can best be described as blindness.

It is HAMAS that is responsible for the inhumane conditions in Gaza, using murder, terror and arbitrary rule against the population, inciting them and calling for constant hatred. Not to mention the fact that UNRWA is also being handsomely rewarded.

However, this ‘humanitarian’ money does not seem to be reaching the population in Gaza.
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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

In case you missed it, the post to which I was responding said this:

"...if I discovered that my party celebrated murdering political opponents too"

The key part here is the celebrating. That noose, and the people chanting around it, absolutely were celebrating the murdering of a political opponent. That the murder was merely anticipated and, arguably, attempted doesn't make this any less of a celebration of murder and political violence.

What murder were they celebrating? You do realize we are talking about celebrating a REAL political assassination correct? A man was ACTUALLY killed. So who was killed?
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THE GREAT CONTROVERSY in Baltimore, Maryland

Interesting. I'd be interested to know, according to your above claim, exactly which doctrine of the SDA church you believe originated with Mrs. White. The vast majority of what SDA's believe, was already believed by millions before them throughout history. According to the teachings of holy scripture of course, and also other Protestants in particular, concerning subjects such as the seventh day sabbath, the state of the dead, Sunday sacredness, and biblical prophecy. The Adventists became Seventh Day Adventists via the testimony of a Seventh Day Baptist who introduced this truth to certain Adventists including Ellen White I do believe, who were instrumental in forming the denomination. The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history. Knowledge of which is much neglected today. Not only because humanities continuing tendency to forget very important lessons of the past which would keep us from making the same mistakes over and over as we do, but also as a matter of intention and design.

If I had the means, I would send a Great Controversy to every home in the nation. It is an excellent source of historical truth in relation to the authentic and verifiable histories of Christian peoples. Which includes prophetic insights we have and continue to see coming to fulfillment in this nation and world. People of course can take it or leave it as they wish. The conviction that people have at least a right to know the truth if they so desire, is what compels many of us to dispense as much truth as possible unto truth's intended end.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

What could be more important to authentic Christianity, than a correct understanding of biblical teaching, and the history of Christ's own in this world? As all will be judged by the truth, as revealed by our Lord and Savior. While many differing claims exist as to just exactly what that truth and history really is. Nevertheless, the holy scriptures warn us -

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
I will start with one example, which is probably one of the primary distinctives of SDA doctrine - THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. As I understand it, it was revealed through Mrs. White as a means of understanding what actually occurred in 1844 or thereabouts with the failure of Jesus Christ to return physically to earth. In order to explain the (non) event she developed a scenario in which Jesus Christ entered into the sanctuary in heaven and commenced THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT.

I am unaware of this doctrine being believed by anyone prior to her prophetic revelation of it. In you can provide evidence of its existence and belief by millions of Christians prior to her prophecy, please do.

Curiously, one of the definitions of a prophet is one who prophesies or foretells future events. If Mrs. White merely taught what had been believed and practiced by millions of Christians before her, then she was not a prophetess, was she?
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DOJ issues subpoenas to NY AG Letitia James, including over Trump civil fraud case and NRA case: Sources

James won her election.
The case was serious.
Trump lost and has to pay damages inflicted on the citizens of NY.
Martin lost his Jan 6th defendant cases.
He failed his nomination.
Trump rewards incompetence and failure.
So here he is.
These "investigations" aren't going anywhere.
See the difference?

Federal probe into Trump foe Letitia James hits a standstill, law enforcement officials say

The mortgage fraud investigation into New York Attorney General Letitia James is at a standstill because federal agents and prosecutors don’t believe they have enough evidence to get a conviction if the case were to go to trial, two senior federal law enforcement officials told NBC News on Wednesday.
A grand jury has been hearing evidence, but so far prosecutors have declined to seek an indictment.
One of those senior officials said “there’s not nearly enough clear and convincing evidence” to show that James knowingly made false statements to a financial institution to get a better mortgage rate for her Virginia home.

They are going to have the same problem with Lisa Cook.
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That's not true. Efforts are also underway to restrict it anywhere the government would have a hand in paying for it:


I don't know the current status of these efforts, but they certainly exist.
I pray that in the future, transition surgeries will be viewed with similar horror and disgust as hemiglossectomies were used to treat stuttering and trepanning to treat headaches.

My point is that I am not arguing that people are not trying to prevent transgender surgeries, there is an active effort to ban them and I hope they do.
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Sound Doctrine... What does that mean?

I can see where you're coming from; and, I have encountered that view, though always lacking any mention of the Greek translation.

While I do appreciate your full scholarly response, I do not see the "free from pathogens/free from destructive things" connection.
Yeah, I agree that is a bit of a stretch. But it is an attempt (awkward as it is) to understand how the one Greek word might have a similar basic meaning when used in different contexts.
Forgive my following, but it seems contrived. It sounds like a philosophized link between two unrelated words, one of them being a vague English word that's meaning is easily manipulated.

It is an interesting thought, but I don't I see that the Greek language has as many words with as many meanings as we see in our various English translations, or just in the English language, itself
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. At one point in time I set out to write a computer program that translated every Greek word in the NT using only one English word for each instance of the same Greek word. But I gave up on that project at some point. Are you suggesting that something like that is appropriate?
I did thoroughly enjoy reading your entire response. Your research is well done, and formatted intelligently.
:)
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