Done222 said:

The Law of God given to Moses is not cancelled or voided. There is an eye for an eye. There is measure punishment for sin.

There are many passages in the Bible that you are absolutely convinced are taking about eternal judgment, but if you read them carefully, they could be talking about temporal judgment which was a big thing in the Old Testament. How did it get completely erased in Christianity?

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Universal reconciliation was declared anathema in the Fifth Ecumenical Council.

“If anyone says or thinks that the punishment of demons and impious men is only temporary, and will one day have an end, and that a restoration will take place of demons and impious men, let him be anathema.” Page 465 section IX.”


Secondly, eternal actually does mean eternal in scripture. Yes, aionios does mean eternal not “for an age”.

DaisyDay said:

Except for the Kurds.

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Of course not. If there is one geopolitical issue which unites all the countries of the world, it's that the Kurds should not have a homeland. I never could understand quite why, but never mind, back to the OP.

Now ask the 74% of GOP members who say democracy is working how many believe the 2020 election was not won legitimately by President Biden.

Democracy is often questioned when the opposition is in power—claims arise about a broken system, corrupt agencies, or a fake market—but when one's own party is leading, everything is considered fine.

Desk trauma said:

Such old think.

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Well, it is what is written in the Constitution. But Congress has been giving more and more to the Executive.

What does Congress have any power over that they haven't given to the Executive?

Benaiah468 said:

The challenge remains: combating terrorists while upholding humanitarian standards.

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It's definitely more challenging to be a good guy than a bad guy--but didn't we know that already?

BCP1928 said:

The indigenous people of the other former Ottoman provinces got their own countries and eventually independence.

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Except for the Kurds.

Hentenza said:

The ship has sailed. The question was answered in 1948.

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1948 only displays the power to bring it about, not the reason.

Apple Sky said:

Because he was one of the first to receive a film that was not meant for public distribution, bart went on to post this film that showed how the astronauts on Apollo 11 had faked their moon mission.


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The film is not real. It never has been. I actually know engineers that worked on the Apollo program including my father in law. They is objective evidence compared to Bart’s made up story.

GoldenBoy89 said:

I didn’t watch but from the clips I’ve seen it looked more like a WWE style political rally similar to last year’s RNC than any wake or funeral or “celebration of life” event you typically see after someone passes. I don’t think funerals need to always be somber events but the political undertones here along with on stage pyrotechnics cross the line into just plain tacky.

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IT all seems like some ochestrated to some kind of end.

Lukaris said:

I believe the key to understand where the Lord ( & the prophets, apostles etc.) speak of condemnation of non believers like in John 3:16-21, John 3:36, John 5:22-30, Romans 3:19-26 etc.are stern warnings of the worst possible consequences of unbelief.

These consequences aren’t guaranteed to every individual who may not have known or understood properly the Lord Jesus Christ and the Gospel. I believe the ultimate meaning of this is said by the Lord towards His direct persecutors in John 15:24-25 etc. The Lord, I believe, is definitely not comparing such sinful unbelief to someone like a Japanese Shinto fisherman back in the ancient day or uninformed, confused etc. people to this day. Statements like Matthew 12:30-33 etc., I believe, apply here also. The parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37 is really interesting because the Lord is speaking of the great commandments ( which are the law & prophets really, see Matthew 7:12 in light of Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) in relation to the humanity of a Samaritan (!). This all lines up with what St. Paul tells us about individuals within humanity vs overall humanity in Romans 2:6-16 etc ( I believe).

We have to be careful not to soft pedal warnings of condemnation either; these are real & serious. In Romans 3:19-26 St. Paul is speaking back on the issue of fallen humanity. A Christian has salvation by grace, through faith unto justification lived by faith in good works ( Ephesians 2:8-10 etc.). All a non Christian has is their works and a somber appearance at the judgement ( Revelation 20:11-15 etc.)although it seems clear some will be written in the book of life. We cannot judge ( Matthew 7:1-12) but we can pray for ourselves & our neighbor (1 Timothy 2:1-6 etc.).

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Salvation by faith, but is that faith in the teachings of Christ, or faith in the essence of Christ?

To keep my grocery spending the same, I have had to buy less and purchase at cheaper places with lower quality/quantity. Coffee is the biggest hit right now, so I'm going to have to switch to a different type to keep drinking the same amount.

Oompa Loompa said:

The topic of the thread is about the memorial service, not just about what Trump said.

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Where did he give that speech, by the way?

Say it aint so said:

That is from the article. What makes Luigi Mangione’s attack on a healthcare CEO where within his diary he makes it clear he was motivated by first hand frustration with the healthcare industry itself? Left wing or right wing means to me holding some kind of left or right wing ideology as a motivating action. Being frustrated with insurance companies crosses all political ideology spectrum. The Palm Beach shooter? He was motivated by his own insanity.

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The study discussed in the article hasn't been released yet, so it will be interesting to read the methodology used and why they labeled Mangione as a left-wing extremist. My guess would be that they classified him as left-wing anti-establishment due to his position on the US healthcare system. In my opinion, his was a case of single-issue extremism rather than left and should be classified as such.

walter45 said:

Jn. 17:3
Berean Standard Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 Pet. 1:3
New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Eph. 1:3
King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Rom. 15:6
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you may with one mind and one mouth glorify God The Father of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.

Eph. 1:17
New American Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

Jn. 20:17
Holman Christian Standard Bible
“Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.”

1 Cor. 8:6
NASB 1977
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

1 Tim. 2:5
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:

Jn. 5:30, 5:19, 6:38, 8:28, 14:10; Matt. 16:16-17, 28:18

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You forgot

Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed them together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,

1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),

2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and

Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.

For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.

The Law of God given to Moses is not cancelled or voided. There is an eye for an eye. There is measure punishment for sin.

There are many passages in the Bible that you are absolutely convinced are taking about eternal judgment, but if you read them carefully, they could be talking about temporal judgment which was a big thing in the Old Testament. How did it get completely erased in Christianity?

Larniavc said:

I’m not. I’m as selfless as the long day.

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Even the days fluctuate in length

I LOVE how much Trump supporters on Christian Forums were directly saying they wanted a president that extricated America from conflict to save money.

Then they changed the name to the "War" Department and there is collective amnesia... or apathy.

I believe the key to understand where the Lord ( & the prophets, apostles etc.) speak of condemnation of non believers like in John 3:16-21, John 3:36, John 5:22-30, Romans 3:19-26 etc.are stern warnings of the worst possible consequences of unbelief.

These consequences aren’t guaranteed to every individual who may not have known or understood properly the Lord Jesus Christ and the Gospel. I believe the ultimate meaning of this is said by the Lord towards His direct persecutors in John 15:24-25 etc. The Lord, I believe, is definitely not comparing such sinful unbelief to someone like a Japanese Shinto fisherman back in the ancient day or uninformed, confused etc. people to this day. Statements like Matthew 12:30-33, Luke 12:8-10 etc., I believe, apply here also. The parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37 is really interesting because the Lord is speaking of the great commandments ( which are the law & prophets really, see Matthew 7:12 in light of Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) in relation to the humanity of a Samaritan (!). This all lines up with what St. Paul tells us about individuals within humanity vs overall humanity in Romans 2:6-16 etc ( I believe).

We have to be careful not to soft pedal warnings of condemnation either; these are real & serious. In Romans 3:19-26 St. Paul is speaking back on the issue of fallen humanity. A Christian has salvation by grace, through faith unto justification lived by faith in good works ( Ephesians 2:8-10 etc.). All a non Christian has is their works and a somber appearance at the judgement ( Revelation 20:11-15 etc.)although it seems clear some will be written in the book of life. We cannot judge ( Matthew 7:1-12) but we can pray for ourselves & our neighbor (1 Timothy 2:1-6 etc.).

My guess is, they'll all have to stand up, one by one, and state the 10 things they love most about Trump. If they can't or won't they're fired.

Oompa Loompa said:

What on God's great earth are you talking about?

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Well I dont really know about "satanic" as satan is proposed person that I dont believe it. You could just say "bad" instead, to keep it simple..

Hans Blaster said:

Archeologists know. High heat and chemical softening leave signatures that are not present.

Long, tedious work processes don't need to to be continuously checked, just at periodic intervals that are short enough to prevent working past the intended target. "Freehand" work between such measurements works perfectly fine, especially for the rough work like that seen in the "scooping".

None of the Egyptian objects we have been discussing were machine parts needing to physically interact with each other. They are decorative objects and storage vessels.

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I will only add that a skilled craftsman develops an "eye" for that sort of thing and can judge with reasonably accuracy when it is time for smaller cuts and repeated measurements. When it's time for the finest work, say, with a scraper, the skilled craftsman can also fairly judge by the character of the chip about how much he is taking off. Steve seems to have the notion that working with hand tools is just blindly flailing away at the workpiece with them.

Chesterton said:

Well it's nice the Atlantic has given Trump credit for something positive.

Anyone who does a deep dive into the facts knows the statistics are bogus. A white man comes home and finds his wife in bed with a black man. He assaults the black man and that's categorized as "white on black crime" (as if he'd found her in bed with a white man he'd have offered him a cordial greeting). A white man assaults a homeowner while burglarizing a home. Investigation reveals the burglar once visited a white supremacist website. That's categorized as right-wing violence. And black and hispanic violent criminals who could possibly pass for being white are categorized as white. It's very skewed.

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When did that happen?