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Kimmel is Back

Timeline of events.

1.) Jimmy Kimmel gets fired after lying on air.

He wasn't fired and this again is a blank assertion that he lied on air.

2.) gunman angry that Kimmel is fired, shoots up an ABC affiliate.


3.) ABC announces Kimmel is reinstated.



While correlation is not necessarily causation we can infer that being terrified of Kimmel's unbalanced audience is a key factor in Kimmel's reinstatement.
I think it's safe to infer that a lot of people complained about Disney's decision. It's a stretch to say it was just the gunman.
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Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

Or could have been staged.
I am curious as to who these mastermind organizers are who are able to stage all these incidents that make conservatives look good, or make liberals look bad. Maybe it is the illuminati?
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Thoughts on Mari Emanuel and Ancient Church of East

Hello all,

*EO ONLY PLEASE*

What is the EO's position on the Ancient Church of the East and the Assyrian Church of the East? I know they are relatively small in number, and are not considered either Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or Catholic.

What are your thoughts on Bishop Mari Emanuel who founded his own Church after being excommunicated?

Peace

(posting in fellowship)
Founding your own church after being excommunicated is Bad with a capital B. Aside from that, our opinion of members of groups explicitly anathematized by ecumenical councils is kind of predictable. The two probably combine in an extra bad way. Avoid at all costs.
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Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

Here’s guessing the majority were already Christian and this was simply preaching to the choir.
It is rather odd that a Christian would be so pessimistic at the thought of people getting saved.
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Europe - Cradle of Christianity, but now ...

I like that you mention exorcism. Too many Christians shy away from the Spiritual battle at hand, it's one thing to sow seeds, but they need to land on fertile soil.

I'm hearing youtube mentioned a lot. And the likes of Oleksandr Usyk and Novak Djokovic.
Thank you. Never heard about them are they in english?
I mean, it is clear, the bible talk about it half the bible is about it and Jesus said to us to do it. There really is no problem the only problem is if we have opened doors or worse. we are in the battle no matter if we want to or not, and many things might be about that when we could ask God for help about it and not knowing we think it is just life.
but.. God say the evil goes around like a lion....
The exorcists say there are many like billions of demons out there. A third (as of the fall) approx the amount of size of Texas. That is a lot. And there comes more and more attacks and we live in a pagan society. They are doing the same things. And the church.. we have to come back from laodieka. especially in the west. People think no demons or so forth. well the exorcists have about 2500 cases a year and it increases. They say mainly because of the occult, and sexual sins are no 2. Then drugs. For some, it only takes one time and they get issues. Others, God is gracious. but, it is a door. And evil just wait on the door an invitation.
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The Lost House of Israel

Cleanse Your Holy Land and give strength to Your People:

Psalms 68:1-35 Let the Lord arise, let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him be gone! Let the Lord’s enemies perish in His fiery judgement 1, like wax before a fire and as smoke is dispersed.
Lord: summon Your strength, use it now as You did for Your people long ago. Rebuke those wild beasts, those proud and arrogant sinners; all those who love violence and war 2. All power and strength belongs to the Lord, enthroned on high. Cleanse now Your holy Land and give strength to Your people, we pray.

The Lord says: I shall bring My enemies together into the place of slaughter, from wherever they are. I will smite them there, their blood will flow out so that you can bathe your feet in it and your dogs will lick it up. Psalms 63, Micah 4:11-12

When the Lord speaks out in mighty thunder 1, kings and their armies will flee in terror. When the Almighty scatters those evil peoples and clears the holy Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalman 3.

We sing the praises of our Saviour and Redeemer. He who rides on the clouds, He is our Father and the defender of His righteous people, but those who refuse to acknowledge Him will remain in the desert 4.


When the Lord saves His people, there will be thousands of vehicles for them 5, as He leads them to safety through the barren desert. The earth will tremble and rain will pour down to replenish the holy Land 6. There Your people will settle, for in Your goodness Lord, You provide for the poor and needy.

The procession of all Israel comes into view; into the Holy city. First the singers, then the musicians. The little tribe of Benjamin will lead, with Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali following, marching on their way the Zion’s holy mountain: on to the Temple in Jerusalem. Kings will bring gifts and envoys will come from far off nations to honour and praise Israel’s God. His Majesty and blessing is over the holy Land , the Lord enthroned in heaven will give strength to His people 7.

Praise be to God!
Ref: REB, CJB. Psalm 68 in a chronological order.

1/The Lord’s judgement by fire; an earth directed CME explosion of the sun: Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:10

2/ The Islamic peoples who love war and death: Ezekiel 35:5-6, Proverbs 1:16

3/ Mt Zalman – near Shechem. [Nablus] This detail informs us that the Day of the Lord’s wrath will happen during a Northern winter. Judges 9:48, Matthew 24:20

4/ Then all of the Lord’s people are gathered, all of the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe of Israel from every race, nation and language, are then ‘passed under the rod of judgement’. Ezekiel 20:35-38…’those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land’. Deuteronomy 32:36, Isaiah 35:1-10

5/ The Lord will provide transport! Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 60:1-9

6/ All of the holy Land will be regenerated and become fertile: Ezekiel 36:8-11, Isaiah 35:1-2, Isaiah 66:12, Joel 2:21-26, Amos 9:13-15

7/ Strength and comfort to His people: Isaiah 40:29-31, Jer. 31:21-26, Zech. 10:12

Note: that the Lord remains ‘enthroned in heaven’. The glorious Return comes later. The Lord's true Christian people, from every tribe, [of Israel] every nation, [of the world] every language, [ethnic group] will gather in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9.

WE will build the Temple, Zechariah 6:15.

WE will elect leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11.

WE will greet Jesus after all that is prophesied takes place, with the shout: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!
And Gal 6:15. , says , For in Christ Jesus NEITHER circumcision , means JEWS , is of ANY FORCE. , NOR

UNCICUNCISION. , nor GENTILES , but a NEW CREATION pointing the BODY of Christ and I am not tying to be CAUSTIC !!

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Limited atonement !

Do you not think our enemies include those who are not reconciled to God by the death of His Son? Why do you always try to get around the truth? Our enemies includes those who are not saved and Jesus said that we should love them. He would not command us to do that if He didn't love all of His enemies as well.
This isnt about my enemies
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Limited atonement !

Submitting to Christ and putting your faith and trust in Him as your personal Lord and Savior is not a work. Scripture differentiates between faith and works (Ephesians 2:8-9, James 2), so why don't you?

Also, did you not even read the passage that tall73 quoted?

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? 26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Jesus said "whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it". Are you denying that one must be willing to give up their lives for His sake in order to be saved even though Jesus clearly said so?
Salvation is limited to an elect people.
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DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence

What I will again say I will extend to his wife and two kids the full meaning of that word he thinks just made up.

It's amazing to me that you think you can empathize with Kirk's wife. I can't even pretend to understand how it must feel to have your spouse killed right in front of your eyes. I can share in her grief, I can feel compassion toward her, but I have no idea how she must feel.
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Limited atonement !

I mentioned in another thread that words like "election" and "chosen" can make it seem as though God selects some for salvation and others for damnation. Many who support TULIP use these terms since they're found in the Bible. However, most Calvinist I know typically believe that God's love and the offer of salvation are universal, but only a few will accept Jesus Christ.

I grew up in a fundamental Baptist church that emphasized "free will." My grandfather, a charismatic Baptist pastor, also believed in "free will" but not "preservation of the saints" (OSAS). This exposure allowed me to see passionate believers who think salvation can be lost or man can accept Christ on their free will. As someone who accepts TULIP, I have also encountered those who sincerely believe in limited atonement and the preservation of the saints.

While these discussions can be charming and contribute to a deeper understanding of scripture, the most essential issue remains whether a person has repented and accepted Christ. Other doctrinal topics, such as perseverance of salvation or limited atonement, are of significantly lesser importance. My priority is to see individuals come to faith, repent of their sins, accept Christ and pursue spiritual growth, rather than focusing on whether they subscribe to doctrines like limited atonement or the possibility of losing salvation.

Complete understanding of scripture is beyond our reach in this life; full comprehension will only be possible in eternity when God reveals His word to us. At present, what matters most is whether we have repented of our sins and accepted Christ as our personal Savior. Other theology hold significantly less importance by comparison.
You seem confused. Unconditional election is built into TULIP, so if you believe TULIP then you believe in unconditional election. Which means that God is selecting who to save, and by extension damning those He does not select. Wesleyans believe in election based on foreknowledge, whereas Calvinism is essentially defined by belief in Unconditional election and predestination where the only thing that separates the saved from the damned is God's decision.
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Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

You make a good point. Listening, building trust, and asking good questions are often part of evangelism. Paul himself said he became all things to all people so that by all possible means he might save some. Meeting people where they are is wise.
But we can’t forget that the Gospel itself, the message of Christ crucified and risen, is what saves. Faith comes by hearing that message, not simply by reflecting on life’s questions or experiencing kindness (Romans 10:17). Some may seem hardened, but God’s Word can still pierce the heart (Hebrews 4:12). Even if they’ve heard before, hearing it again through a life of love and a mouth of boldness may be the very moment God opens their eyes.

With those who already know the words but remain unmoved, sometimes it helps to use the Law to show that they’ve fallen short of God’s standards. When they realise justice means a death sentence, they also see their desperate need for a Saviour. Then the Gospel becomes good news.

And yes, this can feel daunting, especially in hospitals or with those near death. But pray for the Spirit’s help, then speak. I did this recently with an elderly lady in a rest home. She was very unwell (she needs extra oxygen because her lungs are failing), but the next day she rang me, asking if I could repeat what I’d said. I’m going back today to share more. It was scary, but I spoke anyway and she listened.

So yes, listen, connect, and pray. But also speak the Gospel clearly. Both are needed if we truly love people.

I do think those in power play a role, but the blame ultimately lies with the people who commit these atrocities. The Bible speaks directly about them in Romans 1:18–32. It says that when people refuse to give God glory for His creation, He hands them over to a depraved mind. They exchange natural relations for unnatural ones, and then in verses 29–31 it describes them:
'being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;'
Sadly, when people reject God, He gives them over to a debased mind, and the result is great evil. God will hold these people accountable one day for these evil acts.

Some people may not like what I have said, but it is the Bible that says it. It's not me. - Although I agree 100% with the Bible.
The bible comes first, our own opion second. I`m like, there is always deeper reasons for behaviour and thoughts. If we can get to the bottom of it they might be more open. Then if we can make them think, God sow seeds. I think the sinners need counseling too. And help. It depends, if they are like going my own way it is different. On the other hand one person might reach one person another can`t due to personalities. Or ways. One thing sure you have to take sin at its core when it got in what happened, thought patterns etc. Otherwise it will grow. as well help to continue with God. I have found by knowing or being amongst unbelievers or hearing they do not like at all someone shout at them they shut off and think it is rude but I have had good conversations if not
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Now drink your lead and other poison.

I usually get my flu shot in October. I hope it remains available!!
Flu shots should be the same as usual - available and covered or free (by county and town).

Covid shots, though, may be state dependent as some states have set up their own vaccine advisories since the anti-vaxxers took over the CDC. States also regulate insurance so which state you're in will determine whether your insurance will cover it or not.
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Limited atonement !

I have never seen your view before, but in some ways it's closer to my view than the typical Calvinist view because you agree with me that God loves all people and genuinely gives all people the opportunity to be saved.
I mentioned in another thread that words like "election" and "chosen" can make it seem as though God selects some for salvation and others for damnation. Many who support TULIP use these terms since they're found in the Bible. However, most Calvinist I know typically believe that God's love and the offer of salvation are universal, but only a few will accept Jesus Christ.

I grew up in a fundamental Baptist church that emphasized "free will." My grandfather, a charismatic Baptist pastor, also believed in "free will" but not "preservation of the saints" (OSAS). This exposure allowed me to see passionate believers who think salvation can be lost or man can accept Christ on their free will. As someone who accepts TULIP, I have also encountered those who sincerely believe in limited atonement and the preservation of the saints.

While these discussions can be charming and contribute to a deeper understanding of scripture, the most essential issue remains whether a person has repented and accepted Christ. Other doctrinal topics, such as perseverance of salvation or limited atonement, are of significantly lesser importance. My priority is to see individuals come to faith, repent of their sins, accept Christ and pursue spiritual growth, rather than focusing on whether they subscribe to doctrines like limited atonement or the possibility of losing salvation.

Complete understanding of scripture is beyond our reach in this life; full comprehension will only be possible in eternity when God reveals His word to us. At present, what matters most is whether we have repented of our sins and accepted Christ as our personal Savior. Other theology hold significantly less importance by comparison.
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Change god complex to delusions of Dominance

But that’s a completely different person. Who is also not a psychologist.
He said on an interview he was.
However, it does not negate everone`s experiences from therapists to Richard Gallagher who by the way knows the priest in question.
Lets hope you never encounter demons in your work. As that would be a problem then
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Limited atonement !

All you have is your one liner responses. You are incapable of making a coherent, convincing argument using scripture. Cherry picking scripture is not the way to come to the truth.

Do you know that Paul was quoting Psalm 14 (and Psalm 53) in Romans 3:11? Have you ever bothered to look at that to see the context of it?

Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. 2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call on the Lord? 5 There they are in great fear, For God is with the generation of the righteous. 6 You shame the counsel of the poor, But the Lord is his refuge.

Notice that the context of what David wrote about here is in relation to those who say there is no God who he calls "workers of iniquity" and "who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call on the Lord". Does that describe all people? No. Notice how he differentiated between those atheists and "my people" (God's people). So, it's not talking about literally no one ever seeking God or understanding God. God's people do. Those who say there is no God don't.

Before writing Romans 3:11 Paul had just written In Romans 1:18-32 about no one having any excuse to suppress the truth in unrighteousness and for not glorifying God as God and for not being thankful to Him. Why would he follow that up by saying that literally no one seeks God? If no one can seek God then wouldn't that be a legitimate excuse for suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and not glorifying God as God and being thankful to Him? Of course it would. Yet, no one has any excuse for that.
To add to this, Paul wasn't making a systematic theology in Romans. His point wasn't soteriological or anthropological, but pastoral. His concern was that the church in Rome was divided along ethnic lines with each side boasting about having a special claim to God's grace. So in Romans 3:11 what Paul is saying is not a sweeping generalization about human sin, but leveling the field to tell Jews and Gentiles alike that they are no better than one another.
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The Church Will Remain; The Papacy Must Fall

I think so too.

Yes. Pope Francis depressed a lot of us.

The election of Francis was valid, so we end up with a merely but actually bad pope. A pope who in all of his sayings and appointments never got to the point of claiming infallibility. In my opinion he made lots of mistakes, errors, bad decisions, and had even immoral and heretical opinions. He acted very humanly and did a lot of damage. Recovery will be slow.

I have a hunch that someone will smuggle a suitcase nuke into St. Peter's Square some day and blow up the Vatican. That will end the Vatican functionally. Kill the pope. Probably kill the majority of cardinals. But a new pope will be elected, to be located elsewhere. This new pope will be imperfect, as they all have been. But at least the Curia will be cleaned out. We can then have a Jamesian, Johannine, and Petrine office again. The thing will be to be not too shocked when the Vatican blows up, and the turmoil after it. The Church will remain, even be purified, but the papacy will be heavily purified. This is my hunch. It's not a guaranteed anything.
I think the most clever and fruitful seduction of satan and his obedient demons would be to avoid issues of denial of doctrines, and stay with moral ambiguity (who am I to judge?) and enabling (accompany, welcome, embrace immorality and sins of the flesh - against purity - so as to normalize acts of lust and sexual sins) above all. Mother Mary told the children of Fatima that sins of the flesh send more souls to hell than any other. Hence, those are the most profitable in satan's economy of evil. And how sweet must sexual perversion among clergy be to his demons! So many are led to spiritual death so easily!
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Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

You know, I can`t stand sensing hearing from God about the uncleanness and spirits because I used to be in the new age and I know a thing or two about their methods and everything that comes with it, and how important holiness is. And as john Ramirez(satan worshipper born again pastor)say, he used to target christians especially, others too but especially christians and the only ones he could not touch, did not matter if they were christian or not, if they did not live a holy life and had a relationship with God, he could take them out very easily. From the horse mouth. (he could not touch other religions that did the same)
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The Lost House of Israel

The Hebrew word 'israel', literally means - 'an overcomer for God'.
Which is what we Christians are. Galatians 6:14-16, confirms this.
And I kike Gal 6:14-17. and since claim be to be a teacher PROPHECY. , would you please explain Gal 6:14-16. IF YOU CAN ??

Take your PICK. ??

dan p
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Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

From my perspective, it's that people are afraid of the spiritual realm, because pastors often caution their people about it.

I once had to leave a church because I became aware that there was a deceiving spirit actively engaging with people during the service.

The pastor (impatiently) insisted I talk to him...

When I explained it, he told me that if I ever spoke of it, he would inform the congregation that I was being "deluded by Satan."

Long story, short, the pastor was the instrument of deception, and ended up betraying the entire congregation by closing the doors to "his" church and leaving without telling anyone, except the small group that was loyal to him.

I've been told by many 'christians' on social media, that by asking God for something specific, wisdom, knowledge, insight, etc, that I am actually communicating with unclean spirits that are deceiving me into believing they are God.

When I ask why they think that, it typically comes back to "my pastor says..."

I once heard a sermon from a preacher that was about going into the "deep end of the pool" of the spiritual world... But, throughout the sermon, he kept pointing far away from himself when inviting people to go "there"...

It didn't take long to realize, he was only ankle deep in that same pool, and had no personal experience "in the Spirit."
WOW! My goodness! It is almost similar to what I experienced although different.
Interesting that you mention asking God about recieving something specific. It is not long ago I asked about discernment. I got it. Right after. Saw things I never would otherwise. And on a deeper level. RIGHT after i prayed. He`s been very gracious to me lately and answers prayer a lot. Right after i pray. Or shortly. I`m in awe every time and don`t take it for granted. He`s been so good to me. (and a lot of forest before that) I asked him to sort some things too and day after it was. Things that had gone hardwire. Just solved. I even ask for a good sleep and I sleep like a baby. He has been very kind. AND someone like that say it is of satan? For heavens sake help me God! That is far out. When all you do is pray. Like everyone else. Totally shocking. And they believe that just because they are told by their pastor??!!! Didn`t the bible say to always make sure it is according to the word! Pray, and He shall hear, ask, and He shall answer/give! This is the most far out I have heard a long time! How dare they say you listen to demons???!!! by praying! [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] that is almost like.. they are mocking the Spirit!!!!
You did not do anything wrong. At all. That is far out. then according to their logic if one prays they "might" pray to satan! well it is the logic.
It is true though we should be careful with satan and the demonic but we should neither fear it as God has all the power, and they cannot do anything. That is if we are with God. If we have opened doors, it is an invitation and like the exorcists says the devil works on invitations. Making us open doors. It is first game. Deception. What about the armour of God! Oh no, warfare. But, the bible say it. You cannot have an armour of God if there is no warfare!
The same church where they told me to shut basically I was given dreams about the church and the people there and God told me there was split in the church and if they did not stop, he would remove himself. I told the elder and he start to cry as he had been praying about it. He confirmed everything. It was two camps and split. Very soon I was in the supermarket and he stood right in front of me but ignored me and many in the church acted like stiff.
They just went to the wrong person, because I care about what God says, that is what counts, not opinions against the word, and as a truth teller and genuinely authentic person I absolutely cannot stand the opposite. And my life has already from start given me a lot of the opposite so I have had a lot of training and only more resolve. So good luck with that I am not turning one iota from the word. What man say when going against they can keep it, nicely said. I`m very much like Paul in those respects.
Very interesting. I am happy you know. Really know him. How can you not. He is the most glorious beautiful gracious. That they don`t realise, this is GOD you go against! His WORD!
I feel sorry for God. This must hurt.
And so many. Everyone, I have my heart at that right place. It is GOD and his word or not.
yeah many churches have been infiltrated by the new age. Paving the way for sin. lots of it. tarot. meditation. NAR. adultery, fornication, furries you name it.

I use to watch Mystery babylon church on youtube. she is genuine and shed light on all of this and the deception. They have been warning about infiltration ever since the 60`ies!
For sure a spirit. You make me see something important. THIS is the reason for a lot of stuff I have experienced that were nasty outright. That must be it. (granted there are also many wonderful people) Maybe he was part of the infiltration
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