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What Book?

Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

It is basically the same as David, you and I saying,
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

If we are not, then were not.
David said it of himself and of Christ. Ps 40:8 Then Paul said it of himself and Christ in Heb 10, He said, lo I come in the volume of the Book it is written of me, to do thy will oh God. There for we can, For God has said, He will put His Law into our hearts and in our minds. As He has said before in Deut. 29:1-30:14 A New Covenant I will make with you. Not like the one that was made in Horeb. For the Lord our God will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of thy seed. For the Word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are in our hearts and in our mouths that we do them. That is the word of faith in which we preach. The faith that makes us righteous, justifies and establishes the Law. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. They who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh that the righteousness of the LAW be fulfilled. For they do not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
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, I Cor 9:21 does not say under the law to Christ

Most don't know, I Cor 9:21 does not say under the law to Christ. It actually says Lawful to or by Christ. BIG difference.

The words. "under the Law" are translated from a Greek word that is translated else where lawful. To be under the Law implies bondage, We are not in bondage. If God meant "under the Law”He would inspired Paul to use the same words as He did here in the previous verse.
1Cor 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

He did not. He used a word translated in Acts as Lawful.

Acts 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.

Here is the definition of the word translated Lawful from the BDAG Lexicon.


ἔννομος, ον (s. νόμος; Pind., Aeschyl. et al.; ins, pap, Sir prol. ln. 14; Philo, Abr. 242, Poster. Cai. 176; Jos., Ant. 19, 302; SibOr 3, 246; Just., D. 47, 4 ἔ. πολιτείαν; Ath., R. 70, 23 al.) pert. to being in accordance with law, legal, lawful.

It is actual a compound word. If we would define it by the two words it is made of we would simply say In Law., hence Lawful.

Since God said, the Commandments and statutes of the Book of the Law are to be in our hearts and mouths that we do it in Deut 30:10-14 and in Rom10:6-8. We know that this change is where are faith comes from. For Romans 10 also says that the word is in our heart and mouth, and that is the word of faith in in which we preach. And this change in us is what establishes the Law because it is how we live because it is who we are now through Christ. For we are lawful by Christ. For we are dead but alive. Yet not us, but Christ lives in us. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of Christ who gave himself for us. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but of God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

No, in a truck nearby, among other places.
No. Check your facts. IF there were any guns, they were in a different city. That's what the feds alleged.
You'd have to check the court records, but since they pled guilty to sedition, that's all the proof you need.
I'll take that as a "no", you couldn't find anything. Cops and media love showing us big, scary guns. Seems like there'd have been at least one pic. And a guilty plea is proof of nothing, especially in a federal court.
One wonders anthropology you're not upset at Trump supporters planning to overthrow the government.
In fact, I'm terribly upset and surprised that 16 unarmed Oath Keepers were unable to overthrow the government of the United States of America.
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Trump cancels trade negoitations with Canada after a provincial government releases an ad featuring Ronald Reagan

I would refer to it as "condescension politics"...

Basically, at best, it's implication that the other side is so easily malleable, that all you have to do is trot out a few quick quotes from one of their "heroes" as a means of getting them to change their position rather than actually engage them.

At worst, it's an attempt to paint them into a no-win corner where they have to disavow one of two people who they liked.
Ok? And what does that have to do with the false equivalencies you keep throwing out?
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Trump wants DOJ to pay him $230 million for previous investigations: Sources

A person has a right to decide what charitable organizations they give to ... and it's nobody's business ... if the government was wrong then they should be responsible for it in his case .... just like in any other case.
It would be the height of delusion to assume that the federal government was wrong (in a legal sense) to prosecute Trump. Attempting to overturn an election and deliberately retaining (and attempting to conceal) classified materials are both criminal acts, and there is significant evidence that Trump did (or tried to do) both of these things. Whether that evidence would have been sufficient to obtain a conviction will never be known, since the cases never went to trial, but it's incontrovertible that probable cause existed.

You could argue that they shouldn't have gone after him for political reasons, but that would violate the principle of no one being above the law (that which Trump seems so eager to trot out today), and it would not support a ruling that his prosecution was illegal or somehow violated his rights.
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Sermons For Everyday Living - The Kingship of Christ 10/26/25

Father Denis Fahey on the Kingship of Christ;
Is Christ The King of Our Lives?;
Withholding the Antichrist with Sacramental Character & Christ the King

Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

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When did I do that. The previous post included history concerning a king and peoples who were not Christians, and then became Catholic Christians for as the writer suggests, less than "Christian" motives. Demonstrated by the actions of their King described. Today the title of Christian encompasses a very broad spectrum of peoples with many varying beliefs. Even very different beliefs regarding morals and the commandments of God. I would not bother telling anyone today, that they were not Christian, as the title now encompasses such a broad range of people and beliefs. If I actually did so, I will gladly remove that content if pointed out, and offer my apologies.
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

(dont reply i wont thanks)
But you did, you said because of your misunderstanding what was posted to you and the scripture cited to you and the scripture you cited yourself.
David saw corruption, all is by faith in Christ.


Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
That is speaking of the corruption we shall all partake of in the Grave from death (see vs36) unless we are alive when He comes, not God's righteousness.
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Supreme God

John 14:6 KJV
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and raised from the dead after 3 days being Supreme God to all.
He has always been supreme God to all ... sin separates one from God ... through His blood there is a path back to Him.
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Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

When God defines something, it doesn't matter where it is in the Scriptures. The entire Bible is the about the testimony of God through His prophets and apostles. Yet when it comes to God's own Testimony, means so little to most professed Christians, sadly. So in essence in doing so, one is elevating man over God. And the sad thing is not even the apostles of prophets taught this.
No. God speaks at different times to different groups of people. God cannot expect for people keep his commandments if He has not given them. The biblical FACT is that God gave the stone tablets to Moses at Sanai and NOT before. This IS absolute fact based on scripture.

Secondly, the Torah was written by Moses in the 15th century BCE. There was no written scriptures before then. Moses wrote the Torah under the inspiration of God and FOR the people of Israel.
I looked at the Scriptures it literally spells out when the Sabbath started written and spoken by God. I know of no greater authority than He, so I will agree to disagree and move on.
Again, there is no scripture prior to Moses that teaches the Jewish sabbath. None, nada. You are yet to provide a verse that proves otherwise.
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Are we only able to believe the Bible is true, or can we KNOW its true.

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.
Evidence for the Bible's truth
  • Fulfilled prophecy: The Bible contains prophecies that have been shown to come true over hundreds or thousands of years, providing evidence of its divine origin.

  • Scientific and historical facts: Many scientific and historical facts found in the Bible have been confirmed by external evidence, supporting its reliability.

  • Unity and endurance: The Bible's unity is remarkable, as it was written by over 40 authors across different continents and time periods but maintains a consistent message. Its endurance through centuries of attempts to destroy it is also seen as proof of its divine protection.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Yes, I have a hard time accepting absurdly untrue things , like considering $14 million dollars as “not a lot of money” as true.
It’s been kind of interesting to note where the truly elitist attitudes come from around here.

In this thread, we have “$14m is not a lot of money.” In others, it’s been “who cares about PBS? Everybody has streaming accounts now” and “who cares about daycare expenses; it’s better to have family help.”

I don’t hang in real blue blood circles, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard a normy Dem, even very high earners, so much as hint at anything like that.
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Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

"For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried"
My denomination in its local expression really dislikes the atonement and I have been wanting to present source documents to preachers to challenge them. (I have even shown them their own official catechism). Most of our preachers would simply find comfort and support for their liberal theology from this section. What they DON'T like is the Father giving His Son in order in anyway to assuage His anger at our rebellion.
I wish this foundational creed was stronger on Jesus dying for our SINS (our rebellion against God)
Is this a problem for the reformed. or can we just say that this creed was put together in response to the attacks on the person of Christ rather than His work?
I just stand on the bible
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If this had occured during the Obama administration, the right would have been furious.

"[President Barack Obama] made an unplanned stop in Qatar on his way to Malaysia for the ASEAN summit, meeting with the country’s Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani aboard Air Force One."

Did you know part of why he is there is to sign the ninth peace deal in 9 months of his term?

WATCH: Trump dances on red carpet as he lands in Malaysia to witness signing of Thailand-Cambodia ‘peace deal’


Trump joined the Malaysian group, performing traditional dance, and waved his arm after dancing on the spot ahead of the summit with leaders of the ASEAN group of nations and witnessing the signing of an expanded ceasefire between Cambodia and Thailand, two nations that were involved in skirmish briefly along their disputed border earlier this year.​
He is quickly becoming one of the most widely traveled US Presidents in history and virtually signing one peace deal a month on average.

Does it bother you the President of the United State is being hailed so well by our allies, or is it just because it is Donald Trump?
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Lost tribes of Israel

Praying for Israel and Jerusalem is G-d's command for every Christian in Jesus Christ.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. Because of the house of the Lord our G-d I will seek thy good. Ps 122:6-9

I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the Lord, keep not silence, And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth. Isa 62:6-7


G-d commands his people to ‘give him no rest’ until Jerusalem comes into the fullness of her inheritance. The peace of Jerusalem is about Israel entering into the fullness of its destiny, as spoken of by the prophets.

Since the Gentiles (or nations) have been grafted into the Jewish ‘olive tree’ of G-d's people (Rom 11:16-24), they also inherit these promises.

G-d calls us to devote ourselves to passionate intercession for the salvation of Israel and Jerusalem, which is without doubt the most contested place on the planet. It will cost us everything we have to enter into prayer for Israel and Jerusalem before the Lord returns.

Jesus tells the parable of the unjust judge who was repeatedly implored by a widow, and concludes with the question:

And shall not G-d avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? Lk 18:7

Both passages suggest that some concerns are so important and urgent that we must pray for them not only during the day but also at night: the restoration of Jerusalem is one such concern.

The prophet Isaiah says that these ‘watchmen’ are all those ‘make mention of the Lord


עַל־חוֹמֹתַיִךְ יְרוּשָׁלִַם הִפְקַדְתִּי שֹׁמְרִים כָּל־הַיּוֹם וְכָל־הַלַּיְלָה תָּמִיד לֹא יֶחֱשׁוּ הַמַּזְכִּרִים אֶת־יְהוָה אַל־דֳּמִי לָכֶם


Remember/mention (zakar) is the literal meaning in Hebrew; the word mazkir is derived from the root zakar. mazkir adds a new dimension to zakar, and makes it to cause to remember/mention. That is, to remind, such as a recorder or a secretary. An important task of a secretary is to remind her boss of appointments that are in the calendar

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This also gives us a practical indication of how G-d envisages our prayer for Jerusalem. As His “intercessory secretaries”, we have two central tasks. First, we must know His prophetic calendar. Second, we must remind Him of the “to-dos” entered in it. This includes G-d’s commitment to restore Israel and rebuild Jerusalem at the end of time.
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Why the Sabbath is a moral commandment

God's Word proves nothing and God telling us what Genesis means, is nothing. Wish we could reason together but if we do not believe God's plain written and spoken Testimony, what I say means nothing. The Bible is written in repeat and enlarge. Why we are told Isa28:10

Because I said so, it not a good argument against what God says.
Again, look at your scripture that you are using to defend your argument. Just about ALL of it is post Moses and directed at Israel. None of it is prior to Moses or post crucifixion. This is why I keep asking you for verses that are prior to Moses or post crucifixion.

Again, I will posit that prior to Moses and post crucifixion the Jewish sabbath was not kept. If you have verse evidence then post it.
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Curious as to what precisely makes Full-Preterism considered an non orthodox heresy?

And your not honoring the scriptures where he has shown himself to the prophets in a physical form,

Now if you were to say that physical form the prophets saw does nor come within a million miles of revealing all that God is. I’d agree completely. The mind of man is no more capable of comprehending God than they are comprehending eternity and have no beginning,

I mean for crying out loud. Look at the universe. We are supposed to comprehend a being that spoke that into existence? We can’t. But that does not mean the father has not appeared in physical form to men. Even if that physical form is nothing compared to what he teallly is.
Post 30 quoting myself: "He did not come down physically, rather He, like the angels can manifest as a man." Using AI from Opera to explain what I mean.

The Old Testament appearances of Christ, often referred to as theophanies, are significant events where Christ is believed to have manifested in various forms before His incarnation. These appearances provide insight into His divine nature and role in God's plan. Here’s a detailed overview of some key instances:


Key Old Testament Appearances of Christ​


  1. The Angel of the Lord:
    • Description: This figure often speaks as God and is identified with God Himself.
    • Example: In Genesis 16, the Angel of the Lord appears to Hagar, assuring her of God's care and promising that her son will be a great nation.
  2. The Burning Bush:
    • Description: In Exodus 3, God appears to Moses in a bush that burns but is not consumed.
    • Significance: This encounter emphasizes God's holiness and His call for Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Many theologians see this as a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ.
  3. The Fourth Man in the Fiery Furnace:
    • Description: In Daniel 3, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are thrown into a fiery furnace, and a fourth figure appears with them, described as looking like "a son of the gods."
    • Significance: This figure is often interpreted as Christ, protecting the faithful from harm.
  4. Wrestling with Jacob:
    • Description: In Genesis 32, Jacob wrestles with a mysterious man until daybreak.
    • Significance: This figure is often understood to be a manifestation of Christ, as Jacob names the place Peniel, saying, "I have seen God face to face."
  5. The Vision of the Lord in Isaiah:
    • Description: In Isaiah 6, the prophet Isaiah has a vision of the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up.
    • Significance: This vision is interpreted by New Testament writers as a vision of Christ, as seen in John 12:41.
  6. The Commander of the Army of the Lord:
    • Description: In Joshua 5, Joshua encounters a figure who identifies Himself as the commander of the Lord's army.
    • Significance: This figure is often seen as a pre-incarnate Christ, commanding Joshua before the conquest of Jericho.

Summary Table of Key Appearances​


AppearanceReferenceDescription
Angel of the LordGenesis 16Speaks as God, assures Hagar of God's care.
Burning BushExodus 3God calls Moses from a bush that burns but is not consumed.
Fourth Man in the FurnaceDaniel 3Protects Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the fire.
Wrestling with JacobGenesis 32Mysterious figure wrestles with Jacob, identified as God.
Vision of the LordIsaiah 6Isaiah sees the Lord on His throne, interpreted as a vision of Christ.
Commander of the ArmyJoshua 5Joshua encounters a figure commanding the Lord's army.

Conclusion​


The Old Testament appearances of Christ highlight His eternal existence and active role in God's redemptive plan long before His incarnation. These theophanies serve to reveal God's character and foreshadow the coming of Christ in the New Testament. If you have more questions about specific appearances or related topics, feel free to ask!
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From laughing at to dancing with

US President Donald Trump made an unplanned stop in Qatar on his way to Malaysia for the ASEAN summit, meeting with the country’s Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani aboard Air Force One.
If this had occured during the Obama administration, many on the right would have been furious.

"[President Barack Obama] made an unplanned stop in Qatar on his way to Malaysia for the ASEAN summit, meeting with the country’s Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani aboard Air Force One."
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Trump wants DOJ to pay him $230 million for previous investigations: Sources

So it's an excuse to funnel federal money into causes that Trump supports, rather than his own pockets? Somehow, that doesn't make me feel any better about it.
A person has a right to decide what charitable organizations they give to ... and it's nobody's business ... if the government was wrong then they should be responsible for it in his case .... just like in any other case.
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