FaithT said:

The best one can say about Trump is he’s a sex offender. The worst thing one can say is he might be a pedophile, too.

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I just can’t believe there are still actually people loyal to him.

eclipsenow said:

I'm not talking about a president leaking it - but a member of the jury - or anyone in records management.

And it's just not going away.

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The best one can say about Trump is he’s a sex offender. The worst thing one can say is he might be a pedophile, too.

ozso said:

More specifically the alleged so-called client list. Which apparently never existed. And if that's the case, it seems likely that Donald is having fun with it.

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Having fun? He seems enraged.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

So that's a yes then?

You may think you see that.

I don't think any of us are the better sinners

All or none

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We are all sinners and have fallen short.
But to believe in Jesus, repent and to follow His Commandments, is our path to Salvation. The Jews, the overwhelming majority, do not. Their fate will be as the Prophets tell us.
If you can see a Jewish redemption anywhere, show me.

ozso said:

Back in the 80's that was definitely the case with the older generation. But these days us older generation knows most of it was not only theatrics, but pretty silly overall.

And what happened with the bat is, someone tossed a real bat up on the stage, and Ozzy bit its head off because he thought it was fake. So it was like "ha someone tossed a fake bat up here, okay I'll play along". It's said he had to go though a series of rabies shots afterwards.

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Oh I thought he'd said it was a prop, and rubber

prodromos said:

Your responses to Phil were all negative. Does that not mean you disagreed with his analysis?

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I'm not sure what he was getting at

CoreyD said:

There are things religious people share in common, but I don't want to talk about JW or what religion I consider right or wrong. Nor my religion.
If you want to discuss the Bible, and what it says, or does not say. or if it is reliable, or not, we can.
The evidence is clear to me.

Are you finished with questions on Jesus Christ and the Bible?

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I'll just say that if basically all mainstream Christian denominations or religious groups don't believe in it then maybe the evidence for it isn't as overwhelming as you have been saying. So if they can't be convinced then it would be even harder for me to be convinced.

ozso said:

Considering how many Church clergy have been discovered to have been doing abhorrent things with children without anyone, including other clergy, being aware, apparently it happens. Or it's other clergy was aware, but keept it under wraps. Wasn't a certain Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger said to be one of the former?

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Bad analogy.

Back in the day the clergy were the last people we would have expected this from. Now we know better. Decades ago I worked in child protection work - and had to investigate the plausibility of various excuses for child abuse etc. I've also done children's ministry in the Anglican church - and I completely endorse the very practical Safe Ministry training all leaders get once every 2 years. We're talking about not just doing the right thing, but being seen to be doing the right thing. Doors open when counselling someone distressed - 2 leaders in the car until all children are dropped home - that sort of thing.

Let's just say Trump doesn't pass the sniff test with Epstein over this. There was never anything 'clergy' about either of them.

Their combined documented behaviour and foul-mouthed gags over the decades are now being rehearsed by Jon Stewart's Daily Show. If you're embarrassed by how crude Jon Stewart can go because of Trump's own behaviour - you should be embarrassed to have Trump as your President. Why am I bringing it up on Jon Stewart and not documenting all the source material directly? 1. I need the humour to cope with this. 2. It's all so old it's part of the common western culture. That he did and said these things is not contestable. It is why the saner parts of the western world gagged when Trump was elected the first time - let alone the second.

I've timed it to after the expo of the "Wonderful Secret" letter - which is bad enough. This is where Jon summarises their history for the context to read the "Wonderful Secret" letter. Starts here. There is so much more - but these 2 are bad enough! This is the sort of evidence that could one day be entered into a court as part of the historical context leading up to whatever is in the Epstein files.

RDKirk said:

Regarding fighting against the system in that way, I sympathize with the lack of money, but it's going to make the matters worse.

The retired generation always, always, always depends on the economic activity of the working generation. That's been true for all of human existence, and it will be true in the future, no matter what economic system there might be.

Unless the plan is to go Soylent Green.

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It's really a question of justice and equity, not a lack of resources. Changes in the workfore like automation have increase productivity, corporate profits, and so on. Eventually, there is going to be a reckoning, people won't put up with immiseration forever. Opting out of the system's logic, even in quiet ways (not having children), is a way to disrupt the system.