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Elijah Comes First

Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

Iran still hosts the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. The community maintains an active religious and cultural life, with synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher food, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran.

I don't know if you bothered to watch the Netflix limited series "The Messiah", if not, you must not be that concerned with what deceptions Satan has been presenting to the world. First of all, he was of Iranian/Persian descent. Most interesting was that there was more controversy among practitioners of Islam, at least those who issued complaints to Netflix.



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Yes, the Netflix series Messiah generated significant controversy, particularly from Muslims who called it "evil and anti-Islamic propaganda". Critics pointed to the main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," which translates to "the False Messiah" or "the Antichrist" in Islamic tradition, creating a premise they found deeply offensive and blasphemous. Petitions were launched to boycott the show, and some countries, like Jordan, called for Netflix to ban it.
  • Allegations of anti-Islamic sentiment: Many viewers and officials, particularly in Muslim communities, considered the show's premise an attack on Islam.
  • Character's name: The main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," was seen as a direct reference to the Dajjal (the Antichrist) in Islam, which is a figure of deception and evil.
  • Petitions and calls for a ban: Multiple petitions were started to boycott the series, with one on Change.org garnering thousands of signatures. The Royal Film Commission of Jordan also called on Netflix to ban the series.
  • Netflix's response: Netflix defended the series by stating it was a work of fiction and not based on any single religion or character, while also noting that the character's name was not specified as his real name.
  • Director's perspective: The show's director, Kate Woods, stated that the show was intended to be provocative and generate controversy.
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Jesus confirms this prophecy was fulfilled in John the Baptist, who came with the "spirit and power of Elijah" to prepare people for the coming of the Messiah.

Note:
Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

Iran still hosts the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. The community maintains an active religious and cultural life, with synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher food, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran.

I don't know if you bothered to watch the Netflix limited series "The Messiah", if not, you must not be that concerned with what deceptions Satan has been presenting to the world. First of all, he was of Iranian/Persian descent. Most interesting was that there was more controversy among practitioners of Islam, at least those who issued complaints to Netflix.



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Yes, the Netflix series Messiah generated significant controversy, particularly from Muslims who called it "evil and anti-Islamic propaganda". Critics pointed to the main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," which translates to "the False Messiah" or "the Antichrist" in Islamic tradition, creating a premise they found deeply offensive and blasphemous. Petitions were launched to boycott the show, and some countries, like Jordan, called for Netflix to ban it.
  • Allegations of anti-Islamic sentiment: Many viewers and officials, particularly in Muslim communities, considered the show's premise an attack on Islam.
  • Character's name: The main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," was seen as a direct reference to the Dajjal (the Antichrist) in Islam, which is a figure of deception and evil.
  • Petitions and calls for a ban: Multiple petitions were started to boycott the series, with one on Change.org garnering thousands of signatures. The Royal Film Commission of Jordan also called on Netflix to ban the series.
  • Netflix's response: Netflix defended the series by stating it was a work of fiction and not based on any single religion or character, while also noting that the character's name was not specified as his real name.
  • Director's perspective: The show's director, Kate Woods, stated that the show was intended to be provocative and generate controversy.
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Those who are to prepare the way for the second coming of Christ are represented (symbolized) by faithful Elijah, as John came in the spirit of Elijah to prepare the way for Christ’s first advent.

It's not a physical appearance of Elijah going to happen
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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive



"I am beyond outraged and in utter disbelief that President Biden would announce clemency for Ferrone Claiborne and Terence Richardson—two men who admitted for being responsible to brutally killing Officer Allen Gibson, a hero and dedicated servant to our community,” said Governor Glenn Youngkin. “What makes this even more unconscionable is the Biden U.S Attorney advised the White House not to commute these sentences as they are violent offenders. The pain and sorrow this clemency causes the Gibson family is unimaginable. To know that the men who took Officer Gibson’s life will walk free is not just a grave injustice—it is a heartbreaking blow to those who continue to mourn his sacrifice. This is despicable; a grim day for justice and for the families who trust that our system will hold the guilty accountable.”
1) Didn't Trump commute sentences for ALL the J6ers..including those who injured police officers' pepper sprayed them.
This nonsense "Oh gee willikers, look how distasteful THIS particular case is" is not something to discuss at length because Trump's pardons are no better.

Former President Joe Biden experienced such “cognitive decline” while in office that it remains a serious question as to whether he was aware of the substance of the various pardons and commutations signed in his name via autopen, the GOP-controlled House Oversight Committee asserted in a letter it sent to Attorney General Pam Bondi, urging her to consider whether that clemency might be invalid and to take action for potential prosecution against some of Biden’s aides.

The committee “deems void President Biden’s executive actions that were signed using the Autopen, and the committee determines that action by the Department of Justice is warranted to address the legal consequences of that determination,” it wrote to Bondi in the letter released Tuesday morning.
Presented "such congnitive decline" that there is exactly how much medical evidence indicating thusly? Because none seems to be the number.

Why should we trust people who look at Trump and think "This guy has got his finger on the pulse of everything" to judge whether ANYONE more sentient than a piece of toast, experiences "cognitive decline".

Find me the doctors reports and then there is a conversation to be had. As it is, it's a bunch of dishonest Republicans hating on Biden.


It's hard to take the Republican party seriously as a party of integrity....they just never seem to act like it.
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AND WHAT IS THE ONLY APOSTLE TO. THE GENTILES. MEAN IN. GAL 6:16. ??

The new creation is all gathered together in one, or it is not new, or gathered.



Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, AND TO THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST JESUS:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That IN THE DISPENSATION OF THE FULNESS OF TIME HE MIGHT GATHER TOGETHEER IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and WHICH ARE ON EARTH, EVEN IN HIM:
11 IN WHOM ALSO WE HAVE OBTAINED AN INHERITENCE, being PREDESTINATED according to THE POURPSOE OF HIM who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 FOR THEY ARE ALL THE CHILDEN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR THEY ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, AND HEIRS ACCORDNG TO THE PROMISE.




Dan Perez: And my answer is in Gal 6:15


The answer is first in 2 Corinthians 5, we judge that if one died for ALL, then ALL were dead.

Now they do not live unto themselves, but UNTO HIM that died for them and rose again. From then on we do not KNOW ANYONE after the flesh. ( who LIVE UNTO THEMSELVES.)

IF ANY MAN is in Christ, he is a new creature, old is PASSED AWAY.

All things for all are now OF GOD, who has RECONCILED US UNTO HIMSELF.

SEE IT DAN PEREZ, or ALL, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, AND THIS TOWARDS THE WORLD, not imputing their trespasses unto them, committing unto us the WORD OF RECONCILIATION.

NOW LIN K YOUR PASSGE DAN PEREZ, OF NEITHER CIRCUMCISION NOR CIRCUMCISION MEANING ANYTHING ANY LONGER, BUT A NEW CREATURE. ( THAT NEW CREATURE IS THE ORLD FRECONCILED UNTO HMSELF, AND THEM NO LONGER LIVING UNTO THEMSELVES, TO ALL.)




2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Galatians 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And Gal 6:15 and what it means how Christ. began. the BODY OF CHRIST and nothig more !!

AND ABAHAM Lst. you quoted , many verses and are you a DISPENSATIONALIST.

You seem on FIRE. , So WHERE DO. YOU say where the BODY of CHRIST , BEGAN ??

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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

I am not Catholic and Orthodoxy does not acknowledge purgatory but I do have a fascination with the doctrine. I believe much of it is understood from 1 Corinthians 3:5-17 which involves the quality of works for those already saved.
Interesting. . .Mk 9:49?
Individuals will be more healthy than others. Kind of like a burns unit in a hospital, some may need further healing & will be. In the mean time, prayer is offered for a speedy recovery.
Sadly, I think worldly matters and corruption with indulgences almost wrecked this doctrine. It is not as outlandish, I believe, as it sometimes manifested as it was often witnessed. The human factors that did this are not uniquely Catholic, they were just fallen nature that manifest differently everywhere.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

I personally do believe the Spirit leading one away from God's law is a thin part. I do not believe Paul thought so either if reading the whole passage in its proper context. I think its actually harmful to the spiritual life in Christ, who says If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15, the Spirit is what helps us obey these very commandments.
Because if you believed what Paul actually said, in actual context not in your biased interpretation, you could not support your beliefs and your church teachings.
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Zohran Mamdani’s Real-World Constraints

I think some of the sticking points have to do with the ones that HAVE been tried before and haven't worked well:

Rent Control (I believe one of his pledges was to both strengthen and expand rent control, was it not?): That's been tried before, it didn't have the effect people were expecting/hoping for in the long run.

Two economists from opposing sides of the political spectrum, Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman (who identifies as an American liberal or European social democrat),[91] and Thomas Sowell, (who stated that "libertarian" might best describe his views)[92]: 1  have both criticized rent regulation as poor economics, which, despite its good intentions, leads to the creation of less housing, raises prices, and increases urban blight.[82]: 1 [93]: 4  [92]: 1  Writing in 1946, economists Milton Friedman and George J. Stigler said: "Rent ceilings, therefore, cause haphazard and arbitrary allocation of space, inefficient use of space, retardation of new construction and indefinite continuance of rent ceilings, or subsidization of new construction and a future depression in residential building."

-- it's one of the few economic topics where you'll find agreement between Paul Krugman and Milton Friedman.
I know he has a few ideas of how to boost available housing. I'm not 100% sure I've heard him talk about rent control (though I am REALLY not following him that well).
IF I'm being honest, my guess is he is going to primarily focus on bringing down costs over other options. I also know he has plans to tax vacant apartments (Because developers would just rather let them sit empty then have to pay to improve them), which, as I recall reading, is in the 40,000 units range.
So if he does that along with rent control, perhaps it could force the property holders to sell some of their property (either to more financially secure concerns or, heaven forbid, a person who would want to purchase and live their themselves) OR to stop "warehousing" their units to keep prices high.
As far as I know, the only previous domestic attempt at city-run grocery stores were in small rural areas that were declared "food deserts" because all of their private grocers had folded up shop. NYC isn't a small rural area, and it's by no means a food desert. They'd essentially be competing (with an unfair advantage) against existing private grocers (who already operate on thin profit margins).

For this, I wonder....in Saskatoon SK (Canada) they have created a "Food Bank grocery store". I wonder if this is what he's referring to.

For the record though, food deserts are 100% a thing in New York city. Just because there's a large population, doesn't mean there isn't scarcity. In high poverty locations, where food stores cannot afford to stay in business (likely due to theft if I'm guessing), they can't have
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

How much firing before it’s no longer a cease fire?

You just cross your fingers and the ceasefire is off.

Israel says ceasefire back on after strikes kill more than 100 in Gaza

And then you uncross them and the ceasefire is back on.
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Trump knocking down historic East Wing to build Ballroom - is this LEGAL?

If something is "objective", it is by definition "unbiased".

From Merriam Webster:

OBJECTIVE: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
Cute. Now ask Merriam Webster if objective and empirical data can be biased. Because that's what we're talking about. Or ask Google. Or anybody who has taken a high school statistics class.

The answer is yes. At all points during data collection and analysis, objective and empirical data can have bias, and part of the job of one collecting data and the subsequent data analysis is to include what steps were taken to minimize bias. Studies, real ones, and statistical analysis reports have either preambles or conclusions that include the steps they took to identify and diffuse bias.

For example, I acknowledge I am biased against Trump, so when I said he is objectively unpopular, I sought out the polls, researched their +/-, mentally calculated the range in which that pushed the results in either direction, compared it to other presidents, and arrived at the conclusion he is objectively unpopular.

You acknowledge you're not biased against Trump, therefore you look at the statistics that show he's not cracked 45% approval and interpret that not as him being unpopular, but his approval being steady, and there is merit that speaks to popularity in said stability. That is coded language to support your bias. Therefore, your claim he's not objectively unpopular is false, as your reporting language is coded to support a bias, the empirical data shows his +/- never puts his range higher than 46%, and the general threshold to report a finding as objectively factual is typically around 60%. 45% is well below that. You also revealed that you felt Biden to be unpopular, and when it's shown that Trump hasn't even hit that low benchmark, which by deduction means that when you apply the data in another context that supports your bias (you don't like Biden, his statistics show he's not popular, therefore he's not popular) and arrive at a different conclusion, you have a double-bias that's unresolved.

No one fully understands exactly how polls influence people's decision to vote or not vote.
Statisticians certainly understand it. You'll notice I explained it. Do they understand it completely? No. But better than pollsters and certainly better than at least two people currently on this thread talking to me.

That's not what you said earlier. You said, "Performance and popularity polls are static polls, meaning their results do not influence their results. Nobody will change a behavior or an action based off of what the popularity polls dictate." But here, you just said that these polls cause people to "adjust accordingly". So popularity polls absolutely do result in people changing behaviors and actions based on the results.
Dude, just say you're not paying attention or you don't get it, or you don't want to get it, you just want to try and catch me in a "gotcha" so you can pretend that how you want to view Trump is somehow now right. Cherry picking my explaining this to you, cutting out the context, and acting like you've somehow made a point is really lame and disingenuous.

So, again, what I said is:

"Liquid polls take a snapshot of a variable that will inform that performance of said variable... People change their votes easily and quickly, right until election day. So it's a snapshot of a variable that is a variable in a liquid poll that informs the next poll."

The variable is the voter and their voting behavior. The snapshot is of that vote. When a poll released says "candidate X shows 60% of eligible voters will vote for them," it means that the variable (the voter and their behavior) will change... Less people will show up to vote for X because they think it's a lock, more people will show up for Y because they believe their vote will matter.

Then I said:

"Performance and popularity polls are static polls, meaning their results do not influence their results. Nobody will change a behavior or an action based off of what the popularity polls dictate. Somebody will not declare they agree with what he's doing because of how the last poll reviewed him. While the polling subjects are also variable, meaning they can change their opinions, the static nature of the poll means the outcome of this poll will have no influence on the next poll."

So if somebody finds candidate X to be going a good job, they won't suddenly say he's doing a bad job on the next poll because the last poll found that most believe candidate X is doing a bad job. I was very, very clearly saying the people being polled do not change an action or belief based off of a static poll, that they will not look at the results of the poll and adopt a different behavior (suddenly find somebody to be popular or unpopular) because of how the poll turned out.

I at no point was saying the subject of the poll, the candidates and their initiatives, wouldn't interpret the data to make adjustments to their presidency, campaigns, or the things they champion. I said the variables won't change. Not the subject. To even pretend I'd say or imply that is really, really beyond all bounds of complete ridiculousness.

Groupthink is a factor in everything. If the prevailing narrative is that candidate X is "objectively unpopular", there will be those that will be afraid to go against the grain and state their approval for such a person. And it works both ways. If you are opposed to the candidate your preferred political party has embraced, you may be wary of stating your disapproval publicly. To pretend this doesn't factor into popularity ratings is remarkably naive.
Groupthink matters when you're all sitting around a table talking politics. It matters when you know when you're giving your answer what others will answer and that you will have immininent negative or positive repercussions for a particular answer.

In an anonymous poll conducted about presidential performance by a person you don't know when your answer will not be widely available? No, groupthink is not a factor. Statistical groupthink occurs in think tanks, round robins, focus groups, or other scenarios where data is extracted from multiple people at the same time, in each other's presence, especially when the other respondents are people they know. That is not the format for gathering information in a presidential performance poll. Beyond that, the outcome for this poll does not cause respondents to change their actions or behaviors, influicing how they will answer polls next time. Meaning this is a true, iron-clad, absolute static poll.

I'll also add that you're using the word "groupthink" incorrectly. Groupthink is an influence tracked in psychology and sociology, not statistical collection. The concept you're actually talking about or looking for are confirmation, exclusion, and sampling bias, not groupthink. However, I feel it should be pointed out that I knew what you were talking about and adapted to your verbiage for convenience and to be nice.

Not that you go line-by-line through my post (again) and pull an "A HA! Groupthink doesn't exist in statistical analysis and data collection! I got you!" down the road.
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

I am not Catholic and Orthodoxy does not acknowledge purgatory but I do have a fascination with the doctrine. I believe much of it is understood from 1 Corinthians 3:5-17 which involves the quality of works for those already saved.

Individuals will be more healthy than others. Kind of like a burns unit in a hospital, some may need further healing & will be. In the mean time, prayer is offered for a speedy recovery.

Sadly, I think worldly matters and corruption with indulgences almost wrecked this doctrine. It is not as outlandish, I believe, as it sometimes manifested as it was often witnessed. The human factors that did this are not uniquely Catholic, they were just fallen nature that manifest differently everywhere.
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Trump's Top Gun Post

.....I think there is a meaningful difference between Trump's rhetoric and for example Biden's. Biden is generally serious. He typically means what he says, for a politician at least. Same with a lot of other politicians. Trump doesn't. Trump's all talk. He doesn't mean any of it. If Trump says something egregious it's easy to shrug it off because we all know he doesn't mean what he says.....
I find it a bit disconcerting how this man has ushered Christians over to a new place where the value of ones word is so degraded. And boasting, trolling, and lying is as good as any other thing one could say.
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President makes historic trip to Asia

  • The Korea Gas Corporation signed agreements to purchase about 3.3 million tons/year of U.S. LNG via long-term agreements with sellers, including Trafigura and TotalEnergy, through their portfolios and offtake agreements with U.S. LNG producers like Cheniere.
  • Centrus Energy Corp, KHNP, and POSCO International Corporation agreed to support the expansion of Centrus’ uranium enrichment capacity in Piketon, Ohio, creating 3,000 jobs in the United States.
  • LS Group pledged to invest $3 billion by 2030 in U.S. power-grid infrastructure, including undersea cables, power equipment, and winding wires. LS Cable’s U.S. subsidiary, LS Greenlink, is building a $681 million manufacturing facility in Virginia.
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President makes historic trip to Asia

Korean Air to buy 103 Boeing jets as Trump pressures trading partners


US aviation giant Boeing and Korean Air announced a deal worth about $36bn (£24bn) on Monday for 103 planes as President Donald Trump presses trading partners to do more business with American firms.​
The deal includes 787, 777 and 737 passenger jets, according to a joint statement from the two companies.​
The new jets will come at a "pivotal moment" and modernise the South Korean flag carrier's fleet, ensuring it stays competitive as it merges with Asiana Airlines, said Korean Air boss Walter Cho.​
The agreement was announced just hours after South Korean President Lee Jae Myung met Trump in Washington to discuss the 15% tariffs imposed by the US on the Asian country in July.​
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

Can it be clearly seen in Scripture or is it just something 'alluded' to, but not contextually supported.

For simplicity sake, can I humbly ask that extemporaneous writings and history be minimized (please don't write 1,000 words) and Scripture be emphasized.

Let's start with one verse at a time, discuss the verse contextually and then go to the next - just a suggestion.
"Purgatory" is not a Biblical concept.

There are only two groups of people, the redeemed and the condemned (Jn 3:18).

We are born condemned objects of wrath by our sinful nature (Eph 2:3).

We are redeemed by saving faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9).
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Well, you need the Holy Spirit to develop a deepened spiritual life and walk as a Christian which Jesus asks. Most people do seem to get the Holy Spirit through baptism and being born again/and because of faith. Jesus said you need to be born of water and the Holy Spirit. It is his words.

The scripture to support church going in the Bible has been supported by ministers who own church's. This was in regards two critical scriptures the Colossians and Actts 15. The New Testatment supports church going and promotes it.

I would like to see what scipture you can show us here to say the New Testatment does not promote church going and are you a Christian. Some posters on this thread have said they were not Christian so I do ask.
This particular forum is for Christians only so if you found posts from non Christians then please report them.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

This is not what this verse says, you are making it sound like God's Spirit is against God's Law. There is no "instead" in these verses as if its either or. Paul is contrasting what it means to be spiritually minded verses carnally minded. And his conclusion is the opposite of instead of according to God's laws.


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

What is the law of sin and death? Rom6:23 the wages of sin is death, so breaking God's law which is sin deserves death

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

The flesh is what is weak, not the law. Paul said in the previous chapter the law is holy, just and good Rom7:12

Paul says

Rom7: 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members

Paul is contrasting the war of sin with the flesh (that breaks God's law) with serving the law of God (Rom7:7) according to the inward man Heb8:10 2Cor3:3

Rom7:25 So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul in Chapter 8 talks about victory over the law of sin and it's not breaking God's laws, it's the opposite

Rom8: 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

Serving the Spirit fulfills the righteous requirement of the law of God from the inside out (the inward man i.e. the New Covenant God's law in our hearts and minds) keeping them based on what God does in us if are cooperating. Those who are walking in the Spirit are not breaking God's laws, they are keeping them through the Spirit.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.


5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life (Mat 19:17-19) and peace (Isa48:18 Psa119:165).

This is what Paul says plainly as the lost, so if we are saying we can walk in His Spirit instead of obeying God's laws Paul flat out says thats serving the law of sin and being carnally minded which makes one an enemy to God.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


No one can keep the law without the Spirit, but the Spirit is leading us to keep God's laws, not break them. That's the spirit we don't want Isa8:20

The Holy Spirit is the One who wrote the Ten Commandments. Exo 31:18 Luke 11:20 Mat 12:28 The Holy Spirit is the One who convicts us of sin when we break them. 1John3:4 John16:8 if we hear His voice Heb3:7-19 The Holy Spirit is the One who helps us keep these commandments if we love Jesus and cooperate with Him. John14:15-18 The Holy Spirit only resides with those who obey Acts 5:32. No one is sealed by the Holy Spirit if being in rebellion to the law of God.

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

God placed the Law that was written on tablets of stone to being written in the heart 2Cor3:3 its the same Law, but placed in a new location, the heart and this NC is established on the better promises of what God does in us, (fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law or keeping them) if we are not rebelling Rom8:7-8 but cooperating John14:15-18


Worshipping another god is not going to lead anyone to a greater deeper righteousness than obeying what God asked us to do if we love Him? Or breaking the least of these commandments doing the opposite of what Jesus said Mat5:19-30 is going to lead us to Christ when we are told those who say they know Him and do not keep His commandments is a liar and there is no truth in them 1John2:4 and Jesus will say at His Second Coming, I do not know you, depart from Me, ye who practices lawlessness,Mat7:23 this is not going to lead anyone to Christ. This has never worked out for anyone in all of Scriptures, it only separates us Isa59:2 Rev22:15 Mat7:21-23 obedience through love and faith reconciles 1John2:3 Rev14:12 Rev 22:14 but we are free to test any theory we want, even if our Heavenly Father warns against it.

Amen, we should pray for everything as I hope you will as well to these plain Scriptures.
I am sorry that you missed the entirity of what was presented to focus on thiniest part of what was said.
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An EBT Crisis?

Remember: when the looting starts, the shooting starts.

Barstow police to step up patrols at grocery stores with millions set to lose SNAP benefits

The Barstow Police Department said in a post on Facebook that it will be stepping up patrols around grocery stores, convenience stores and shopping centers.

Police added that the increased patrols are not in response to a specific incident but are a "preventive measure to maintain public safety, deter theft, and reassure the community that law enforcement is present and ready to help."

[Barstow is in San Bernardino County -- a redder part of CA that went for Trump in 2024 by 2 points; Harris won by 20% in the state.]

Elsewhere in Southern California, leaders are trying to provide impacted people with resources.

In light of the benefits delay, L.A. Care Health Plan, billed as the nation's largest publicly operated health plan, announced Tuesday it was providing $5.4 million to help provide food for impacted families. Of that amount, $5 million will go to the Los Angeles Regional Food Bank, YMCA of Metropolitan Los Angeles and Food Forward. The funding is expected to support 10,000 to 15,000 households in the county each week in November, according to the Health Plan.

The additional $400,000 will go toward advancing food security efforts and bolstering food distribution efforts in the county.

L.A. County officials have also allocated $10 million to the Los Angeles Regional Food Bank to expand its purchasing capacity, and to set up pop-up and drive-through distribution sites, in addition to the existing network of 940 pantries across the county.
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

Can it be clearly seen in Scripture or is it just something 'alluded' to, but not contextually supported.

For simplicity sake, can I humbly ask that extemporaneous writings and history be minimized (please don't write 1,000 words) and Scripture be emphasized.

Let's start with one verse at a time, discuss the verse contextually and then go to the next - just a suggestion.
And in. the KJV BIBLE. there is no Greek word called PURGATORY , LIMBO. POPE , NUNS. OR COMFESSIOAL. !!

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