rjs330 said:

Why is that impossible? Ither countries have done it. Or at least came VERY close to it.

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I'm not aware of a single country that has gotten rid of all guns. Even where guns are otherwise banned, firearms for the purpose of hunting are still permitted.

The statement in reference to all guns. Not a generalized firearm ban. As such my statement of impossible refers to that.

There are millions of guns in the US. The idea that each and every single one of them can be accounted for and removed is perhaps not, strictly speaking, impossible. It is, however, incredibly improbable.

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No it will continue to happen. All it takes is for one person. With a will to kill to obtain one and its a done deal. A determined killer will fet ine unless remove them all. As has been pointed out over and over again that there are no gun laws that would have prevented any of these killings. Its undisputed.

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Notice that I was speaking about mitigating gun violence. The idea that stricter gun laws will completely eradicate gun violence is, as far as I'm aware, a position nobody takes; and therefore arguing against it is merely striking at a straw man. Even a full on gun ban wouldn't eradicate gun violence.

But, and this is crucial, stricter gun laws and guardrails would, indeed, mitigate gun violence. And we have real world examples of this being effective.

This isn't a zero sum game. It's not either completely eradicate all gun violence OR throw our hands up and do nothing.

rjs330 said:

There are NO laws that would have prevented any of these killings. Name a law that would have done so. Only the removal of guns would have done so.

So let's get rid of them.
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Making it harder to acquire a firearm, especially for those with a track record of mental health problems, wouldn't have prevented any gun deaths?

I can't name a law that doesn't exist.

But what evidence do you have that stricter gun laws wouldn't have prevented any killings? How did you reach that conclusion? The data I would point to in favor of stricter gun laws reducing gun violence is the fact that this has worked in other countries.



So the evidence in favor of gun law reform having a positive net effect on the reduction of gun violence is solid; the evidence that it would do precisely nil is....?

What is your evidence for your claim?

-CryptoLutheran

Don`t worry, don`t fear. God has a way out.

BobRyan said:

Do you believe your job is requiring that you lie or something of that sort?

If whatever it is would be viewed as sin by most people were it not part of the job, you may have a problem with that job.

Daniel, and Joseph both had jobs for pagan nations in roles of high leadership, yet did not violate their conscience in what they were doing. In other words, they did not take responsibility for what others in their job were doing, just what they themselves did.

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If it is outright lying.. is there a way to work around it? If there is not, you have to tell them it goes against your faith. Then I would ask for another way around it or if someone else could.
Regarding perfectionism/legalism, know that Jesus did not do legalism it was the pharisees. to him it is good enough if we do our best. That goes for personal errors too. Perfectionism is an illusion. it truly is. because noone is, and this world is not either. it is a lie, often taught very early as a form of belief or programming. often punished hard if we were not "perfect" when they had the same issue. we have to work release and heal that .Remind ourselves how God sees us ,as good enough, all that matters is if we do our best. and when the thoughts come, remind ourselves.

RileyG said:

Regardless. The transgender person has nothing to do with it. He/she is not responsible for Kirk’s murder.

My opinion only

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No , but Charlie Kirk’s Biblical stand could very well have played a part in his killers hatred.

bèlla said:

If you want to do that you should. Start a YouTube channel and share your thoughts. If you believe his approach is best prove it and follow suit.

~bella

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I am on a forum sharing my thoughts? And it does not mean I "should" start a channel. For pity sake you seem pretty fired up? As for proof, I think Charley has done a good job of that so far.

A New Dawn said:

Sorry, I wasn’t specific enough. Do you have links to actual podcasts or videos where he said these things instead of far left “fact checkers”.

I prefer to hear and decide for myself what he was saying and what the actual context was.

Though I can tell you that many airlines announced that they were using DEI initiatives to hire for all positions, and they did hire people right off the street who had no training in flying planes and had to train them, and they started flying jumbo jets with NO experience, when previously pilots were required to have hundreds of hours of experience before they were considered. While what Charlie Kirk said was stereotyping, the fact that the airlines made that decision is hugely concerning.

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Still slandering Charley! He was responsible for the hate he got.

From a Biblical standpoint, I don't think anything man can do one way or another is going to stop prophesied events from taking place. When the last events start happening, climate change will be the least of our worries.

A New Dawn said:

Though I can tell you that many airlines announced that they were using DEI initiatives to hire for all positions, and they did hire people right off the street who had no training in flying planes and had to train them, and they started flying jumbo jets with NO experience,

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You can tell us that. Substantiating it with checkable links is quite another issue. Show us what you have.

Do you honestly think that they let people fly "jumbo jets" with "NO experience?"

Seriously?

RandyPNW said:

Please site the post where I agreed with you, and I'll try to figure out what I said and what I meant?

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There was something about the prince of princes being cut off. In what context did this happen?

Bradskii said:

Very true. Bearing in mind that mathematicians can use proof as opposed to experimental scientists who can't. But if you have 98 scientists agree that in their opinion, the evidence points to one conclusion and 2 that say it points to an opposite conclusion, then which one are you going to go with?

This goes back to the flat earther in that I could prove to her satisfaction that a couple of claims that she made were wrong. So she ignored those and headed off in another direction.

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There's the saying that wise men love instruction, but fools despise correction.

A New Dawn said:

Sorry, I wasn’t specific enough. Do you have links to actual podcasts or videos where he said these things instead of far left “fact checkers”.

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So we're left with "they are all lying, all of them?" If you want to go to the cited podcasts, you can. But you and I both know what you'll find.

bèlla said:

I’m not going to unite with anyone making unproven slanderous statements on a social media platform. It wouldn’t matter if they were believers or not. And if they want to make those statements they should be subject to the same legal ramifications as others in print. These a reason why The Enquirer, Star and similar publications were sued.

I firmly support copyright strikes, demonetization and canceling the channel if necessary. Trying to predict the President’s assassination using gematria or what the lord said and claiming this is it is where I draw the line.

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The power of persuasion is the better option. Like Charley Kirk.

bèlla said:

There’s a lot of sick people in this world and as recent events have shown being in their path can be calamitous. If ostracizing some keeps me out of harms way so be it. I can live with it.

~bella

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That is why I don't want government shutting things down.

Valletta said:

If there were retaliation tens of thousands of people at riots would have been jailed and Democrats running for office would be swamped with lawsuits. I hardly think one document that the Cook people declined to comment about means Cook committed no crimes. These kinds of trial by the media establishment continue.

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Trump's story collapsed like a deflated balloon. The documents show that she didn't do what Trump claimed she did. She's just one of dozens of people Trump has retaliated against for things like his underlings caught in felonies, Jan 6, and the like. Some of that relatiation might be felonies as well. We shall see.

Platte said:

There were no rainbows before the flood.

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That's not what the Bible says:
Genesis‬ ‭9‬:‭13‬-‭16 ‭I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

As you see, it doesn't say that there were no rainbows before the flood. Let's see how that would work physically if that were true...

No, I don't think so.

You "don't have time" for the greatest invention of human history?

without God we would be toast literally. I thank him each day for being as merciful as he is

well, I do have heard stories about people that lived like they wanted or did not know the truth, and got to hell or in a void of sorts and met Jesus or called to Jesus, and that got given a chance. There are plenty of death stories like that. I believe there is a difference if someone knows about God and his standards and not heard it.

In case you haven't seen it yet...

fhansen said:

That's not what this is about though. Of course, the message can be adopted to varying conditions and cultures. But not changed, the gospel is the same. They shared in the Holy Spirit, and that's a Christian concept and experience made possible because of Christs revelation and sacrifice. That's the new covenant, spoken of in Jer 31 regarding this new intimate relationship. "I will be their God and they will be My people." "I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts"

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In all the covenants is the underlying principle of “I will be their God and they will be my people”. The new covenant does carry it further with God claiming He will write it on our hearts. But you still can’t place yourself in the situation of someone who turns his back on Christ and goes back to making animal sacrifices because YOU have never made animal sacrifices. THAT is the underlying crux of the part of the verse that says “since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.” Every time they sacrifice an animal for the same sins Christ died for, they are sacrificing the Son of God again.

When you turn your back, which I don’t believe you can do, but theoretically, you walk away and move on. No harm, no foul. Not so for the Jewish person who goes back to animal sacrifices.

Careyap87 said:

You're not alone to be sad or single forever. I am almost 40 and I am single as well doesn't bug me at all. Recently just landed my first ever job in my life. I am a production worker at this job I am working at.

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good for you congrats to the job. I always say any job is good as long as you got money. it is the main thing. It does not matter what one does. what matters is we are able to live. I am in a peculiar situation. I was in the new age spiritual etc for a long time. Met a guy that was and first we lived together, always separate rooms, never anything. Then houses, but same situation. we had a weird spiritual belief about it. Oh he believed, right, just not quite like christianity. Then he turned mentally ill, and an abuser. a narcissist. They are masters in hiding. I was abused without even knowing, only little, the mask came off when I stood up for myself not to be abused. After 15 years he left. because I stood up. so I spent majority of my life with him, and we did not have children thankfully. I wouldn`t want children be exposed to that. I tried to help him, but he was too messed up, and he was possessed by something as he reacted when I prayed and said you believe in him.. that won`t help you.. and changed voice. lower. same as when I prayed for him his pain went. so, I am 54 years old, I really do look as young as the picture. i do not live atypically my age, I have the same interests as always, I do not dress old do not think act old. It is probably called time less. so I do not have children, I do not fit in the group i am supposed to be, because of not married not kids rent my house( I do plan to buy but still) I have moved country, in another country than my origin, you can add a whole list. fit in nowhere basically.

Clare73 said:

You don't see the connection between that and Judas?

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Are you saying that Jesus needed Judas - a devil - so that he could die for the sins of the world?

You said yourself that Jesus came to die. He did, and he knew it.
His death was prophesied in the OT - Isaiah said that he was pierced for our transgressions.
The angel told Joseph that Jesus would save people from their sins, Matthew 1:21.
John the Baptist said that Jesus was the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world, John 1:29.
Jesus spoke of his death long before he spoke of Judas' betrayal, e.g. Mark 8:31.
Moses and Elijah, representing the law and the prophets, appeared at the transfiguration to speak of Jesus' death, Luke 9:31.
Jesus predicted his death 3 times. The third time he said that he would be handed over to the chief priests, Mark 10:33, but it was not until the Last Supper that he said that one of the 12 would betray him, Mark 14:18.

If Jesus had needed Judas to betray him before he could die for the sin of the world, then Judas - a devil - was doing God's will. If this is what you are saying then Judas was a hero and should be praised for enabling Jesus to die for us.
Do you really believe God needed the devil to accomplish his will?

bèlla said:

Why is the onus on the hearer to do what you’ve said? If you’re not easily understood (or prone to being misjudged) the obvious solution is learning to communicate in a manner others can grasp. Why must they do the work?

I don’t personally buy the deep thinker term. I think the majority are socially awkward or something along those lines and have difficulty forming connections. Deep thinking doesn’t equal isolation or anti social behavior and I’ve known my share. One was the former evangelist for Apple and a well regarded thought leader. Another is emerging in the Ai space. He’s Ivy trained and worked at several schools within that group. Neither are loners and do their share of public speaking.

I think the label was co-opted on the internet to describe behaviors outside the norm. And society loves new ideas. When you’re able to discuss subjects in depth and contemplate new approaches or solutions you attract an audience. That’s why a lot of them end up on a stage or platform.

And that’s the litmus test for the quality. Anyone could spend hours in their head and it isn’t hard. It’s called escape. But bringing those thoughts to life and sharing them with the world is your test. If they don’t resonate with others that’s probably a sign they’re not as impactful as you assume.

~bella

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it is not as much as communicate better etc because everyone should accept others how they are like, and not prejudge. more a open mind make room for others. you cannot change that with better communication. if they have decided not to. you are getting nowhere. also one should not bend like a pretzel to fit another person.

The USA has to stand with Poland. There must never be another 1939.

bèlla said:

Why is the onus on the hearer to do what you’ve said? If you’re not easily understood (or prone to being misjudged) the obvious solution is learning to communicate in a manner others can grasp. Why must they do the work?

I don’t personally buy the deep thinker term. I think the majority are socially awkward or something along those lines and have difficulty forming connections. Deep thinking doesn’t equal isolation or anti social behavior and I’ve known my share. One was the former evangelist for Apple and a well regarded thought leader. Another is emerging in the Ai space. He’s Ivy trained and worked at several schools within that group. Neither are loners and do their share of public speaking.

I think the label was co-opted on the internet to describe behaviors outside the norm. And society loves new ideas. When you’re able to discuss subjects in depth and contemplate new approaches or solutions you attract an audience. That’s why a lot of them end up on a stage or platform.

And that’s the litmus test for the quality. Anyone could spend hours in their head and it isn’t hard. It’s called escape. But bringing those thoughts to life and sharing them with the world is your test. If they don’t resonate with others that’s probably a sign they’re not as impactful as you assume.

~bella

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truth is most do not take the time or have patience or even ability to understand enough(lack of knowledge or not even wanting to go there) to even try to make room for others that do not think like themselves. we see that all over the society. but, people do work differently and process differently. we can`t expect everyone to work the same. there is the superficial crowd, the chit chat crowd, the I do not want to think crowd, and then there is the other. you can see that everywhere you go, if you talk to them or hear them talk. it is not all that have the want or ability to dig deeper, or not even accept if you are not like them off the bat. this is a sad reality. you cannot even start "communicate better " or what ever else with them. why because they are closed.