Clare73 said:

Ro 1:17 is in regard to "a righteousness from God. . .that is by faith;" i.e., the imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 5:18-19, Php 3:9).

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No, it isn't. There is imputed righteousness. And this imputed righteousness gets us to Heaven. But Paul isn't getting into that until chapter 4 and 5. This righteousness that Paul is speaking here is that which is of the obedience of faith that verse 5 speaks if we hold to the context of the passage..

(Net Rom 1:5) Through Him we have received grace and our apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles on behalf of his name.

As he continues to verse 17 he says in 15 that he is ready to preach the Gospel and that he is not ashamed of it, for in it is the power of God unto salvation. Because there in the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. For the just, the lawful out of faith shall live. Because that which may be known of God is manifested in them. For the invisible things from the creation of the world are clearly seen, so they are without excuse. For God has said, I will put the word in their mouth and in their hearts, that is the word of faith in which we preach. "For with the heart man believeth unto (INTO in the Greek) righteousness"


Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Aseyesee said:

What is the justification God provides himself to measure the end result of his actions …

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Above is what I first wrote, and that you first responded to ...

boughtwithaprice said:

Now you are changing the words. You imply that God needs to justify Himself.

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The way I used the word defines it's meaning ...

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Your justification is your words ...

Without God there would have been no sin ... or anything else (outside of himself) for that matter ...

11 pages later and Op has still not answered this question.

wing2000 said:

Why didn't Texas wait until 2031 - after the census?

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Stopped_lurking said:

r is equal to 0.31 ~ 9% of the variance in homicides is explained by the variation in the number of gang members (I didn't check the assumptions). What do you mean when you say "...trends very closely..."? Why would you only plot the trend line without the data points?

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Yeah, an r value of 0.31 indicates a pretty weak correlation.

Clare73 said:

Ro 1:17 is in regard to "a righteousness from God. . .that is by faith;" i.e., the imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 5:18-19, Php 3:9).

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No, it isn't. There is imputed righteousness. And this imputed righteousness gets us to Heaven. But Paul isn't getting into that until chapter 4 and 5. This righteousness that Paul is speaking here is that which is of the obedience of faith that verse 5 speaks if we hold to the context of the passage..

(Net Rom 1:5) Through Him we have received grace and our apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles on behalf of his name.

As he continues to verse 17 he says in 15 that he is ready to preach the Gospel and that he is not ashamed of it, for in it is the power of God unto salvation. Because there in the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. For the just, the lawful out of faith shall live. Because that which may be known of God is manifested in them. For the invisible things from the creation of the world are clearly seen, so they are without excuse. For God has said, I will put the word in their mouth and in their hearts, that is the word of faith in which we preach. "For with the heart man believeth unto (INTO in the Greek) righteousness"


Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Jamdoc said:

I'm disappointed with anyone who does something for a self serving reason, including myself.

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So.... are you admitting that you posted your initial OP for your own self serving reasons? Missing the point made that God did not enact redemption for your imagined narcissistic need of God's? (God doesn't need any of us!)

Narcissistic dark triad types don't sacrifice themselves for anyone. That is not in their psychology. They don't love anyone other than self. And they see other's existence only for the end of their own hedonistic "needs". (Keep in mind; again - God doesn't need any of us!) He provided redemption as a demonstration of the base nature of what He is; which "God is love." Would you face God's eternal wrath to save a friend, none to say a bunch of dead sinners who hate you?

Have you ever thought about this? The fact that you have no idea what it's like to be sinless and ripped from all connection to the Divinity you've known your entire existence. "My God, my God why have You forsaken me?" Was a real experience of Christ's. The 2nd Person of the Godhead, incarnated in human flesh to atone for sin he himself never committed; only to be ultimately torn from not only the Father and the Spirit, but even his own Divine nature. None of us have any idea what it's like to be in a space where God is not! And God's willingness to take that on for the sake of someone like me; who doesn't deserve that sacrifice!

You know what the scariest verse in the Bible is? "Be gone from me you workers of iniquity; for I NEVER KNEW YOU."

Them aint the word's I want to hear on Judgment Day. And because of Christ's sacrifice; I know those are not the words I will hear. He was faithful and "set his face as flint" to accomplish what the "Plan" demanded of him. What God's own justice demanded of God Himself! (On account of the fact that NONE of us are capable of atoning for our own sin! And God knew that before He ever created anything!)

Amen and Thank You Jesus!

Again, God's not the one with the ego problem here.

rjs330 said:

I wonder how many posts you've posted condemning the actions of Hamas and their Palestinian supporters in comparison to the number youve posted condemning the actions of Israel.

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I wonder why you think it's not plausable that I condem both actions?

Daniel Carlton said:

Most people understood, you did not.

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It doesn't change the fact that your OP is ambiguous

Daniel Carlton said:

Are you still upset about the idolatry thread? If so, you should do the Christian thing and be peaceful and not keep entering my threads looking to argue out of bad will.

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Wow, projecting much? I'm not in the slightest upset by the idolatry thread. I'm not the one who requested it be shut down when it didn't go the way you apparently wanted. This is a public forum. If you want an echo chamber then you should create your own private chat group. All I've done is present my own view in response to the thread you posted. It most definitely isn't out of bad will. If you don't want to hear opinions which differ from your own then don't start any threads. Sheesh!

As you mature in faith, you will find fewer with whom can relate and some who will hate you.

Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Always in His Presence said:

And that is the sum total of the Democratic Party in action. Stand against Trump. Followed to a much smaller part by letting men participate in women’s sports. Embracing perversion and promoting homosexuality.

And in my opinion, that’s why their approval ratings are in the toilet.

There is such a fixation on Trump This last week as a prime example the president doesn’t schedule any public events and suddenly everybody saying he died.

His predecessor isn’t seen in public for weeks and he’s at the top of his game.

It’s a fixation and come January 2029. What do you have left? Unless you’re gonna follow the man to his grave trying to jail him or destroy his life

It’s not much of a political platform to run on.

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I understand that you will not see my posts because you have chosen to place me on your ignore list. That is your decision. I will continue to respond to your posts, as my intention is to discuss the broader issues affecting our country, rather than focus on personal disagreements. Political differences have become very divisive, making it difficult for people to recognize that those with opposing views also wish to improve America. It is your prerogative to ignore my comments, but I will keep replying so others can review and evaluate the points being raised. If you decide to engage in discussion, we can participate in a rational and intellectual debate.

Adding me to your ignore list doesn't make me or the issue disappear. Like the Japanese proverb about the three monkeys—Mizaru, Kikazaru, and Iwazaru—ignoring a problem doesn’t solve it. Blocking me simply means I'll keep criticizing your posts without your ability to respond.

Now going back to the original post you made…

Democrats' criticism of President Trump is often not constructive; their constant focus on minor issues has caused many voters to ignore Democratic opinions. You are absolutely right about that. but , You avoid discussing the other side, which is why you put me on your ignore list—you prefer one-sided conversations and dislike honest political assessments from someone with more insight.

Republicans, like Democrats and liberals, have criticized President Biden about his health and public appearances, particularly focusing on incidents such as his pace or missteps on stairs.

To overcome political divisions in America, we must recognize our own actions instead of only blaming others. Honest self-reflection is essential, but it’s often lacking today.

fhansen said:

No he didn’t. He knows they’re followers of Christ and addresses them as such. It's not some wooden absolute knowledge, as if none could ever fall away. God, alone knows with perfect certainty who are His and who are not.

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Paul calls them SAINTS!!!!!! He addresses several of his epistles to the saints of that individual church. Let’s go slow here and just address this.

Romans
“to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“To the church of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

These have been sanctified and are saints by calling.

“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Saints at Ephesus. Not just believers but saints.

“Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

To the saints including the overseers and deacons.

“To the saints and faithful brothers and sisters in Christ who are at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The saints who are as Colossae.

Who are the saints in all of these? Why would Paul call them saints?

Prior Auth slows and/or prevents care while increasing administrative costs for doctors.

A child trusts others to tell him what is true and what is not. Maturity brings discernment and understanding.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

receiving extra biblical revelation can contribute to self- deception. You may want to be very careful.

ozso said:

So there's will be saved vs can be saved

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Yes

ozso said:

That those who are active members of the RCC will be saved,

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I did not say that nor does the Church teach it.

ozso said:

whereas Protestants could be saved.

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The Church teaches, anyone who dies in a state of Grace will be saved, including protestants.

The million dollar question with protestantism is without the Sacraments, how possible is as you put it "could be saved".

prodromos said:

Clearly we are not able to read your mind, and your OP was quite ambiguous.

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Most people understood, you did not.

Are you still upset about the idolatry thread? If so, you should do the Christian thing and be peaceful and not keep entering my threads looking to argue out of bad will.

The design in the beginning, so good that it alone God called very good, was what Jesus referred to when saying, it was not so in the beginning, meaning what was meant for us. How can that be missed, or ignored?

The issues with animal agriculture are serious. Not just with the horrendous treatment of animals, that Proverbs 12:10 says is wickedness, such that we should not want to contribute to with our demand for what comes from those animals in such conditions for what we choose to have. It is just as involved as it would be with an animal we keep ourselves, we still affect the use of the animals.

There is the demand for much more resources. Animals have to fed during all the life they have until being slaughtered, all the feed grown uses much more land, uses much more water, uses much more fuel and other resources, while there is more loss of natural environments for it, and there is a huge rate of extinction of species with that being involved. This is alongside the current depletion of oceans from use of sea life for the demands of food and products from that. And there is huge contribution of methane into the atmosphere from use of farmed land animals and mainly cattle, while this contribution to any of the carbon compounds into the atmosphere must be drastically reduced to avoid worsening conditions from climate differences. And, there is so much waste ruining land, that should have more attention then it does.

And our health does not need animal products. There is the healthy way without animal products that I talk about, and have become experienced with. Vitamin supplements to have along with it, which I hear as an objection, which is so lame, is not an issue. So many people should be getting some supplements for what would be missing in their diet anyway, that not being known means poorer health for any of you not aware of what you should supplement. Whole food from plants without processed stuff is so very healthy, I benefit from this, cancers can be avoided, circulatory issues can be too, and many other problems to health, with this way.

I am not talking about saving all animals from suffering. That is not realistic, other than suffering in this world being from our sins, and we should not go on sinning. Knowing God's will and doing what is according to that is relevant and good to do. Animals used for our demand is something we can stop contributing to, too.

The whole idea that God created sentient beings that can suffer, and they are capable of experiencing joys in life, and bonds with others, for being used in any conditions whatsoever ever and be slaughtered for our use, even while there are health issues to us from much use of those products from them, is really repulsive. If any of you do not see that, I still do and cannot possibly ignore it. I know God is better than that. God is good, God is loving, and God cares. I know God is not limited, and God does not change.

So whatabouts do not matter. If any of this has to be ignored for using some other passages, those must be understood wrongly. That is all there is to it. These things still matter ... a lot.

I yet have meals I really like, a lot more than what I used to like that I thought would be hard to go without, but, they were not. They just have addictive substances that contribute greatly to the thinking that they are too good to go without. But, I was over those easily, within not many days afterward, and I did not and still do not miss any of those things, even very many years later. My meals now are really tasty. That is an important thing with the change.

This is a typical way I have a cooked meal I make. It is whole grain pasta when it is not cut up potato or quinoa, and rarely I have used brown rice, and several cut up vegetables, including leafy green, usually cabbage, and hummus, medium salsa, sometimes guacamole, sometimes a bit of jackfruit or seitan, and with seeds and nuts. I on some occasions add some of the dried seaweed I buy to it. I also use seasonings I like.

All this that I use is whole food that is all from plants. This is tasty and it is very healthy to keep having.

> Evidence-Based Information on Iron Intake from Plant-Based Diets
>
> Official Professional Societies
> • Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: “Appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits …”
> Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets - PubMed
> https://www.andeal.org/files/files/Vegetarian/VegetarianPP_2025.pd
> • British Dietetic Association: same position
> British Dietetic Association confirms vegan diets support healthy living
> . Mechanisms & Harmful Substances
> • Heme iron, particularly from red meat, increases the risk of cardiovascular disease – whereas non-heme iron from plants does not.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0939475314002889
> • Red meat consumption significantly increases the risk of coronary heart disease.
> The benefits of plant-based nutrition: Treatment and prevention of cardiovascular disease - American College of Lifestyle Medicine
> Clinical Studies & Meta-Analyses: Cardiovascular Health
> • Plant-based diets reduce CVD risk by ~19% and mortality by 16%.
> Frontiers | Plant-based diet and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis
> • Replacing meat with plant-based alternatives lowers LDL cholesterol by up to 12%.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000291652401428X
> • Meta-analysis (N > 2.2 million): significantly lower risks for type 2 diabetes (RR 0.82), CVD (RR 0.90), cancer (RR 0.88), and all-cause mortality (RR 0.84) with plant-based diets.
> Associations between plant-based dietary patterns and risks of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and mortality – a systematic review and meta-analysis - Nutrition Journal
> 4. Iron Status & Bioavailability
> • Non-heme iron (found in plants) is absorbed less efficiently, but the body converts Fe³⁺ into Fe²⁺ and regulates absorption according to demand.
> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c01833
> • Despite lower bioavailability, relevant iron deficiency is not more common among vegans compared to meat eaters. Average hemoglobin and ferritin levels are comparable across diets.
> Plant-Based Diet and Risk of Iron-deficiency Anemia. A Review of the Current Evidence and Implications for Preventive Strategies - PMC
> • Vegans have higher non-heme iron intake (22 mg/day vs. 14 mg/day in omnivores), indicating physiological adaptation and efficient regulation.
> Dietary Adaptation of Non‐Heme Iron Absorption in Vegans: A Controlled Trial - PMC
> • Plant-based iron sources (e.g., pumpkin seeds, oats, lentils, chickpeas, tofu, whole grains, nuts, flaxseeds, etc.) provide sufficient iron – especially when combined with vitamin C.
> Gropper, Sareen S., ed. (2018). Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism (Seventh ed.). Boston: Cengage Learning. p. 480. ISBN 978-1-305-62785-7.
>
> A well-planned plant-based diet can fully meet iron requirements while demonstrably reducing the risk of chronic diseases. Official professional societies clearly confirm this.

Larniavc said:

In the UK it is very rare that you go to a university anywhere near where you live. For example I grew up near Oxford but went to University and London, Plymouth and Liverpool.

Do Americans really stay in the same state when they go to uni? If that is the case it might explain a lot.

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Many state universities (e.g. University of California, State University of New York) have excellent programs and a very reduced rate for state residents.

I find it interesting that people tend to believe evil is thought with evil. Evil with evil doesn't cancel out, but multiplies. I believe love is the solution to every corruption created by man. However, there is thin line between loving and encouraging. I see that the two are intentionally confused as to allow evil to spread. So one must be very careful with that.

America will probably soon face an alliance solely based on an anti Trump coalition even with an addition of a newly found friend in China.

Unqualified said:

I’m hear ya. In the doldrums myself. Too hot. Very nice rig though.

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Thanks! I did get out to the range yesterday, but just for a bit of fun with my replica cap and ball revolver, and to pattern a new to me shotgun. A Hungarian FEG side by side. Very nice shape, and patterns where it should on both barrels, full and modified.

Valletta said:

The governor was joined by Mayor Johnson, who insisted that Chicagoans do not want a “military occupation” and that the city is being unfairly targeted. Both leaders argued that what Chicago truly needs is “investment,” not federal intervention.
The message from the city’s leadership, however, rings hollow to the families of the victims of the Labor Day weekend violence. The shootings, which began Friday night and continued through the weekend, left a trail of tragedy across the city.

Illinois Gov. Pritzker Says Chicago Is Safe As 35 Shot, 5 Dead Labor Day Weekend

While Illinois Governor JB Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson presented a united front last week to reject President Donald Trump’s proposal to deploy

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The situation speaks for itself.

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Is it possible to overdose on copium? He obviously hates Trump more than he loves the citizens of his city.