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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

When you think abortion is okay…

The people who have abortions, perform abortions, make pills to cause abortions, etc., do not value human life. Those who support a woman’s so-called right to kill her child do not value human life. Those who turn a blind eye to this do not value human life. So why care about Charlie Kirk or Iryna Zarutska? They are just as disposable as an unborn child.
Hold the on. You were only just explaining how you not caring about abortion meant that Kirk’s death was just meh.

Something smells fishy here…..
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Spying on husband

I don't know that I would class it as spying. Spouses shouldn't have secrets. My husband can look at my phone any time he wishes and I wouldn't care at all and he's the same with me. I will pray for you. Some of the questions you have may conclude with painful answers.
Yeah, I realize that.... There are so many other instances... How does a recording lie?
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Will MAGA condemn Texan gerrymandering and sign a petition for all States and Feds to have independent Commissions handling redistributions?

MAGA complain about redistribution of electoral divisions in California - but don't realise how hypocritical it is unless they ALSO condemn the exactly same practice that started it in Texas.
MAGA complain about it in California - but don't propose anyone can DO anything about it.

Would you sign a petition for establishing universal American Electoral Committees - with universally bipartisan, objective, mathematically and constitutionally confined AEC's at the Federal and State level?

We have this down in Australia. The Australian Electoral Commission handles things at the Federal level - and we have various State bodies that do it as well.

It's why we are rated a FULL democracy - and the USA is rated FLAWED.

We're only 124 years old - and yet Australia has no gerrymandering. Our last cases were not really gerrymandering but 'weighted' electorates with some wonky stats due to city and rural issues in larger geographic states like Queensland and WA - but they were sorted decades ago.

US students' reading and math scores at historic lows: 'Devastating trend'

I wouldn't be surprised if they are in on the coverup too. The schooling system I feel is that corrupt and nobody wants to stand up and take the blame for it.
Ah. So we’ve wandered into conspiracy territory. That’s when my eyes glaze over. The idea that things are the way they are because a vast network of people in all schools, spanning 50 states and the federal government have united together to secretly execute a directive is just too ludicrous for words.
I don't mean to be disrespectful here but you are sounding like someone who feels these new ways to learn (that teachers need to adopt) are the greatest stuff in the world when all they do is get so-so achievements and are replace the following year by some other new teaching fad. You say memorization is good for short term memory - funny, I still know all the answers to my multiplication tables from 3rd or 4th grade. I still know how to spell almost every word that I was given in spelling tests. And so much more, all due to memorization.
The reason you know how to spell your spelling test words is because you’re now in an advanced age and all those words were ones taught to small children. And the goal of spelling tests has shifted from simply just remembering how to spell “their” to logical deduction, that the rule that causes “their” to be spelled the way it is means that you can guess how words like thief, tier, and piece are also spelled. And instead of blind memorization of multiplication tables (which they still do, BTW), understanding how multiplication works so that when you hit 9x13, you can figure it out instead of parroting an answer. Especially since studies have shown that memorization of multiplication tables taps into sequential memorization, not actual concept memorization. Meaning, they can tell you 9x8 after going through 9x 1-7, but not when you ask them to give the answer without the sequence.

It’s why so many people believe in Terryology despite it being the dumbest concept on the planet. They don’t understand why 1x1=1, they simply memorized it, so when somebody says it actually equals 2, they believe it. It’s also why we have flat earth believers and people who dispute basic scientific facts… They were told “memorize this” and not “the world cannot possibly be flat because…” Memorization has its place, but using it now like you used it 45 years ago is lazy teaching.

I graduated from college with a BS in Computer Science. I was a techie for the longest time. But I admit, there have been way too many advancements for me to keep track of so, I just learn what I want now. I'm all for technology in the classroom. I'm a person who learns more hands-on and visually and I suspect kids nowadays do that more so. Thats excellent but when students just sit there and oodle their IPhones all through class and do not pay attention to the teacher, there's a problem.
If kids are playing with phones instead of listening to the teacher, that’s a problem with distraction, not teaching method. If it’s an iPhone, a note you’re writing to pass between class, a doodle you’re drawing in the margin, a book you’re clandestinely reading under your desk, you’re distracted and that will impact learning. That has nothing to do with teaching methods, but classroom behavior.

The idea that what worked 45 years ago to teach is what works today, however, is ludicrous. The world and what kids need to know has totally changed in 45 years. We are the only country who insists that what was good enough for us as kids is good enough for our kids and is comfortable with that level of educational complacency.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

It’s only violent and hateful when it’s directed at Republicans.
I’m sorry, can you link ANYTHING that has a conservative encouraging violence to the left. I can provide many of the reverse including Biden telling someone to take out Trump minutes after he was shot.
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'God created the nation of Israel': Pastor Robert Jeffress weighs in on Cruz-Carlson debate

Israel can't afford to treat Palestinians fairly.
They're economically addicted to marketing their advanced drones & other weapons (like some of those enormous bombs with a 600 meter radius kill zone) as 'battle tested in Palestine.' They refused to listen to the UN at their very founding over 70 years ago - and took Jerusalem which was meant to be independent UN territory. They ignored the boundaries drawn up by the UN, and ignored that the Palestinians were meant to be an independent state. And then - with the right to defend themselves - there was the 6 days war in 1967.

And thus, the persecuted become the persecutors.

Those who were economically discriminated against - continue to do so in an apartheid system in Israel for Arabs that work there.
Those who were shoved from their own shops and property by the Nazis, now shove Palestinians from their shops and property.
Those who were rounded up and forced into ghetto's - now do the same to Palestinians.
Those who were trapped behind barbed wire fences have now walled off the world's largest open air jails in Gaza and the West Bank.

I detest the methods of Hamas. I want them to return the hostages, lay down their arms and turn over all Palestinian territory to a new UN negotiated Palestinian Authority. I condemn the barbaric terrorist attack of Hamas against civilian non-combatants. But just as I condemn that - and lament the loss of over a thousand innocent Israelis, how much more must I lament the death of over 65,000 Gazans? 20,000 children!!??

What happened to 'proportional response'? To obeying the rules of just war theory?

Israel is now committing war crimes left right and centre with impunity.
They are no longer what I would call a 'liberal democracy' and should be pushed from the club of democratic nations and sanctioned just as we sanctioned South Africa's Apartheid.

Watching the TV - and thinking a that a middle-income country like this could be reduced to the natural-disaster scale famines we see in Africa - and it's ALL ISRAEL's fault - as in 100% their fault - is just REVOLTING!

SO WHY DOES AMERICA VETO UN EFFORTS TO SANCTION ISRAEL?
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Returning to the Source of our Faith

There’s a line from a song that says “Hey man take a look at this mess, everybody’s busy building idols out of human flesh. I can’t get it out of my head, convenient resurrection, at my discretion, taking on the name in vain.”

The cross (in the language of God) is a conscious truth, or truth of the soul that begins with a tree in a garden …
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

(Skims posts and shakes head)

For years now I've feared that the US would one day become Bleeding Kansas from coast to coast. I've seen nothing in these posts that change that opinion, other than it may be closer than I feared.

The basics of the matter is a person of a particular political viewpoint was murdered by someone who likely disagreed with him. He could have been up there talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care. What he was talking about isn't as important as what was done in disagreement: Straight up murder.

That's the point where we are this morning. That's the thing of concern. Talking about what Kirk believed or what others believed is irrelevant. The only relevant point is that someone thought it was proper to murder someone to silence a difference of opinion. If we can't see that, then I may live to see the very thing I've feared: Bloody Kansas writ large. And if that happens, I pray that God will preserve us all.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

He probably would have also thought different when it would have been his own kids.

I'm not accusing him of hypocrisy. It's a healthy part of human psychology that we are unable to care for everyone equally. Imagine how horrible it would be if you'd grieve for all the famished and diseased children of the world as much as if they were your own child. I think I've read that the maximum amount of people most people are able to care on more than an abstract level about is around 150, with close friends ranking high and close family members ranking highest of all in most cases.
Perfectly reasonable. That 150 sounds about right. But I wonder how parasocial relationships fit it in?

My guess is people burst into floods of tears when famous people die but not kids in schools is because the don’t have parasocial relationships with those kids.
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US students' reading and math scores at historic lows: 'Devastating trend'

Blind memorization is good for short term memory, not long term education. It is an answer devoid of context and the idea behind school is to execute methodologies and concepts.
Ah...no. Each of us have and use information that we memorized, going all the way back to our very names. Our language. How we calculate math problem. Phone numbers. Multiplication tables. The value of Pi to two or three decimal places. Memorized, with each memory reinforced by use. The only way to learn basic facts (the sine of an angle is the opposite side over the hypotenuse; to convert from feet to meters multiply by 0.3048) is by memorization. Failing to do so will make things more difficult. It's boring even if you make a game of it, but necessary.

This just reads again like somebody who doesn’t understand tech and is thus afraid of it and/or thinks it’s useless. If kids are learning the same thing they learned 45 years ago when you were in school, we will have surely failed them. No other country says that reversal of progress is the answer to educational advancement.

When I was in school, we have the latest technology. Vinyl records with lessons. Slide carrousels that advanced on an audible cue. Film strips. Movie projectors! The latest and greatest technology. And at the end of the day, the only way to learn that 7 x 6 = 42, or that the main body segments of an insect are head, thorax, and abdomen, or that Madison is the capitol of Wisconsin, or that M I S S I S S I P P I spells Mississippi comes from repetition. It takes less for the smart ones that the rest of us, but those repetitions are still required. So it is we had math homework, because it didn't matter if you saw a highly entertaining cartoon in class that explained it, if you didn't practice doing it, you wouldn't remember how.

All of this technology had/has one aim: To make the subject interesting to students. But that's like trying to add flavoring to medicine that doesn't taste good. Memorization is easier for some of us than others, but even the ones who find it easy have to do it. And when I bought teaching software for my children, unless there was repetition involved, they weren't going to remember it. That repetition is usually in the form of a game, but it's still repetition. Repetition is that I remember the Doomsday algorithm (which has to do with calculating the day of the week from the date) but have to refresh myself over calculating the date of Easter because almost every day I use the Doomsday algorithm as a convenient mental calendar and seldom calculate the date of Easter. It's the result of memorization with repetition to keep it fresh.

That's not going to change. One day we may have holographic figures in classroom as teaching aids, but unless there's memorization and repetition, students are only going to remember they had fun watching.
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Judge Rules Georgia Voters Can’t Be Silenced By Pro-Trump Election Officials

He was forced to use mail-in ballots.
Lols. Every single time?
And both sides redistrict.
Yes, they do, however I don't remember any president calling for mid-decade redistricting in order to garner himself more support. This president is openly divisive, openly hyper-partisan.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

It's what I've observed. That's why it's a post.

Although, I wouldn't be too surprised if you're correct and after a few news cycles people move on as if it was just another day in America.
What’s ridiculous is your suggestion that the right doesn’t care about children when it’s the left’s stance to make them the most vulnerable targets in the world and then invite psychopaths in to shoot them by advertising that there will be nobody there to stop them when they show up.
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Normandt' meditations

227. Receive the Book to swallow





Jesus is the Word. At the time Jesus lived on earth, the people also had to understand it. He says all he has to say and the Word will only be understood by the opening of people’s hearts. Jesus’ Word is complete. We understand it imperfectly, by the way, because of the evolution of our time and because of the evolution of our thoughts and our heart. We must go beyond what limits us, return to the foundation to understand it.



Many prophets receive the Book to swallow. Now it’s John’s turn:

“I went up to the angel and told him to give me the small scroll. He said to me, ‘Take and swallow it. It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will taste as sweet as honey.’” Revelation, chapter 10, verse 9

A prophet is one who swallows the Word of God, it’s sweet and tastes honey, but in the stomach it’s bitter.



The bitterness of being unable to do anything, of feeling useless in the face of a world that is struggling and suffering. But in the mouth, the honey of the one who offered his life to Christ and the one who receives everything from him. John feels the interior sweetness of God’s Love. He witnessed what Jesus did in hearts.



We observe the grace in John shared through his writing, the sweet honey of his life with Jesus and the sweet honey of the life and message of Jesus.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: Let’s evangelize, Normand Thomas
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