Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

[Lukaris]

People saddened over the death of Charlie Kirk are not indifferent to other tragedies. When John Lennon was shot to death, the outpouring of grief was much larger of course. It doesn’t mean that people were indifferent to other homicides back then.

These are famous individuals who inspired and motivated people, who agreed with them, with constructive, non violent outlooks. At least the non violent aspect should be commonly understood even if opinions disagreed otherwise.

 

[rjs330]

What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.

Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity. He was a counter to it. All you had to do is watch him discuss things with students and you saw how he brought clarity and truth to the conversations.

Charlie died because of the toxicity of people who would vilify this man and inflame the hatred for him and the things he stood for. We have seen the toxicity first hand and it was written all over the bullet that killed him. And we've seen it in this thread.

 

[Chesterton]

I am aware. They have a website they share their content on, so what’s the name of the article? Or is that just a link to a site run by whomever for an editorial critiquing something on MSNBC?

Another CF member just made a thread in this forum about MSNBC firing Matthew Dowd for the comments he made in the video I posted. I would link to it, but you'd have to click on the link. Maybe you can scroll around and find it.

 

[rjs330]

...not to mention.

As much as this has to scare other conservative political activists, progressive political activists will likely being reigning in their appearances and presentations as well due to fear of retaliation attacks.

So whoever this assassin was, they did a disservice to their own tribe as well.

Not as far as Ive seen. They may grab some extra security, but Ive heard a few who are standing up and saying they are not going to give in and will actually be more involved with public appearances and not less.

I do fear retaliation, but im not sure who on the left someone might decide to go after. The left really doeant have anyone like Kirk that I know of.

 

[rjs330]

MSNBC OUTDOES ITSELF!

In some truly Pulitzer Prize deserving reporting, we learn that:

1. the shooter may have been a Kirk supporter firing off a gun in happy celebration of Kirk being there;

2. Trump may use this assassination as justification for sending troops into Orem, Utah as he did in D.C.; and

3. if you have awful thoughts and express them with awful words you should expect awful actions.

Truly despicable people.

 

[rjs330]

It's what I've observed. That's why it's a post.

Although, I wouldn't be too surprised if you're correct and after a few news cycles people move on as if it was just another day in America.

What line are you talking about? You need to clarify what you meant with that remark. Whats different now?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

People have lost their minds.

Conservatives have been saying that for years.

 

[bèlla]

Children regularly get slaughtered in america's schools and threads about those events turn into predictable political posturing on page one. Why should this be any different?

In spite of the prevalence of political threads the premise for the site is christian which should influence our discourse. The gravity of the bickering between the two is echoed in his murder. While neither were directly responsible for his death—you didn’t pull the trigger—the climate is feeding unstable entities among us.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

American children are shot to death quite regularly in school or even church.... But now a line has been crossed.

I think that’s the case for some and how it plays out for each will differ. I don’t go to political events or protests. Nor am I inclined to do so in light of the climate. And I haven’t altered my position on gun ownership and the right to bear arms. If anything, I’ve doubled down on its importance for our home.

In respect to society, the elephant in the room is mental health and what happens when people in a compromised state get access to weapons or commit crimes. The public has no way of knowing a problem exists and that will be the gray area we’re willing to touch in the future.

~bella

 

[Oompa Loompa]

American children are shot to death quite regularly in school or even church.... But now a line has been crossed.

Black children are shot to death quite regularly in schools by other black children.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This tragedy has nothing to do with guns - but people feeling justified in committing acts of violence and murder due to nothing but disagreement.

What you said is truly vile. You need Jesus.

Like I said, this is what "democracy" looks like.

 

[MrMoe]

Empathy? That New Age term doing a lot of damage? We have no need for that. Just ask Charl....err, watch Charlie's video when he expressed what he thought about that idea.

How about sympathy?

“Sympathy I prefer more than empathy." - Charlie Kirk

 

[Kathleen30]

What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.

You say (he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to the toxic environment we’re in ) Since when has promoting, debating on Christian ethics and political thought justified anyone murdering anyone, where free speech and debate are excepted as the norm in free countries . Perhaps it’s be a case that darkness has always hated the light. But yes Charlie will be very much missed ❤️

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Not really. I seen a lot of hateful things from the right and left. Both sides can extreme.

Now we finally see how people actually feel about free speech. Can't argue your ideas in the public square? Just put a bullet in his head.

 

[Larniavc]

American children are shot to death quite regularly in school or even church.... But now a line has been crossed.

Because it’s a famous white Christian man.

 

[Larniavc]

Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity.

Yeah he did. He said dead kids were an acceptable price to pay for Americans having liberal access to guns.

 

[Nithavela]

Yeah he did. He said dead kids were an acceptable price to pay for Americans having liberal access to guns.

He probably would have also thought different when it would have been his own kids.

I'm not accusing him of hypocrisy. It's a healthy part of human psychology that we are unable to care for everyone equally. Imagine how horrible it would be if you'd grieve for all the famished and diseased children of the world as much as if they were your own child. I think I've read that the maximum amount of people most people are able to care on more than an abstract level about is around 150, with close friends ranking high and close family members ranking highest of all in most cases.

 

[iluvatar5150]

MSNBC OUTDOES ITSELF!

In some truly Pulitzer Prize deserving reporting, we learn that:

1. the shooter may have been a Kirk supporter firing off a gun in happy celebration of Kirk being there;

2. Trump may use this assassination as justification for sending troops into Orem, Utah as he did in D.C.; and

3. if you have awful thoughts and express them with awful words you should expect awful actions.

What's worthy of a pulitzer is the editing on some of those. In #1, it's pretty clear from both the context of what they're saying and the timestamp on the video that they haven't seen the video of the shooting yet and they don't know what happened. It conveniently cuts off any other scenarios that he may have hypothesized.

I doubt that they provide text transcripts of every segment they air. If you find it on their website you'd still have to click a "random" link.

FYI: Youtube often generates transcripts automatically. I don't know what conditions a video has to meet in order to get them generated (maybe it's on all of them?), but I think every professionally-produced podcast, tv show, press conference, etc I've looked up has had them when I've looked for them, at least when using the desktop site on a browser. (idk if it comes up in the app) To get at them, expand the episode description (below the video, above the comments), scroll down to the "Transcript" section, and hit "Show Transcript":

Then the transcript will show up immediately to the right of the video, above the suggested videos:

IME, it's not perfect, but it's well beyond "good enough", especially for anything we're doing here. It's also searchable, which is really handy. So, if you've got a video that's, say, an hour long, and you want to find a single passage, just use the browser's built in "find in page" text search.

Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity. He was a counter to it.

You think that because you agree with him. and his politics.

 

[Nithavela]

You think that because you agree with him. and his politics.

I think that "prove me wrong" debates like the ones he did are a waste of time and do nothing for fostering understanding, since he made himself both the debate opponent and the judge on who won. I doubt he very often conceded that he was proven wrong.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think that "prove me wrong" debates like the ones he did are a waste of time and do nothing for fostering understanding, since he made himself both the debate opponent and the judge on who won. I doubt he very often conceded that he was proven wrong.

I think all debates are useless, but especially his sort. There are forums where people honestly try to debate each other (as misguided as I might find that exercise), but rage-baiting a bunch of undergrads for clicks is not it.