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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

The worst part of all this is Kirk was made a martyr, when he doesn't deserve to be remember as much of anything but a political provocateur that traded in spectacle and outrage.
What kind of provocateur was the person who shot Charlie Kirk. You have a right to your opinion but what you have posted here is not an accurate representation of the man,
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

The worst part of all this is Kirk was made a martyr, when he doesn't deserve to be remember as much of anything but a political provocateur that traded in spectacle and outrage.
He founded Turning Point USA and he was much smarter than you.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

The ruin of the Pagan religion is described by the sophists as a dreadful and amazing prodigy, which covered the earth with darkness, and restored the ancient dominion of chaos and of night. They relate, in solemn and pathetic strains, that the temples were converted into sepulchres, and that the holy places, which had been adorned by the statues of the gods, were basely polluted by the relics of Christian martyrs. “The monks” (a race of filthy animals, to whom Eunapius is tempted to refuse the name of men) “are the authors of the new worship, which, in the place of those deities who are conceived by the understanding, has substituted the meanest and most contemptible slaves. The heads, salted and pickled, of those infamous malefactors, who for the multitude of their crimes have suffered a just and ignominious death; their bodies still marked by the impression of the lash, and the scars of those tortures which were inflicted by the sentence of the magistrate; such” (continues Eunapius) “are the gods which the earth produces in our days; such are the martyrs, the supreme arbitrators of our prayers and petitions to the Deity, whose tombs are now consecrated as the objects of the veneration of the people.” Without approving the malice, it is natural enough to share the surprise of the sophist, the spectator of a revolution, which raised those obscure victims of the laws of Rome to the rank of celestial and invisible protectors of the Roman empire. The grateful respect of the Christians for the martyrs of the faith, was exalted, by time and victory, into religious adoration; and the most illustrious of the saints and prophets were deservedly associated to the honors of the martyrs. One hundred and fifty years after the glorious deaths of St. Peter and St. Paul, the Vatican and the Ostian road were distinguished by the tombs, or rather by the trophies, of those spiritual heroes. In the age which followed the conversion of Constantine, the emperors, the consuls, and the generals of armies, devoutly visited the sepulchres of a tentmaker and a fisherman; and their venerable bones were deposited under the altars of Christ, on which the bishops of the royal city continually offered the unbloody sacrifice. The new capital of the Eastern world, unable to produce any ancient and domestic trophies, was enriched by the spoils of dependent provinces. The bodies of St. Andrew, St. Luke, and St. Timothy, had reposed near three hundred years in the obscure graves, from whence they were transported, in solemn pomp, to the church of the apostles, which the magnificence of Constantine had founded on the banks of the Thracian Bosphorus. About fifty years afterwards, the same banks were honored by the presence of Samuel, the judge and prophet of the people of Israel. His ashes, deposited in a golden vase, and covered with a silken veil, were delivered by the bishops into each other’s hands. The relics of Samuel were received by the people with the same joy and reverence which they would have shown to the living prophet; the highways, from Palestine to the gates of Constantinople, were filled with an uninterrupted procession; and the emperor Arcadius himself, at the head of the most illustrious members of the clergy and senate, advanced to meet his extraordinary guest, who had always deserved and claimed the homage of kings. The example of Rome and Constantinople confirmed the faith and discipline of the Catholic world. The honors of the saints and martyrs, after a feeble and ineffectual murmur of profane reason, were universally established; and in the age of Ambrose and Jerom, something was still deemed wanting to the sanctity of a Christian church, till it had been consecrated by some portion of holy relics, which fixed and inflamed the devotion of the faithful. In the long period of twelve hundred years, which elapsed between the reign of Constantine and the reformation of Luther, the worship of saints and relics corrupted the pure and perfect simplicity of the Christian model: and some symptoms of degeneracy may be observed even in the first generations which adopted and cherished this pernicious innovation.


I.
The satisfactory experience, that the relics of saints were more valuable than gold or precious stones, stimulated the clergy to multiply the treasures of the church. Without much regard for truth or probability, they invented names for skeletons, and actions for names. The fame of the apostles, and of the holy men who had imitated their virtues, was darkened by religious fiction. To the invincible band of genuine and primitive martyrs, they added myriads of imaginary heroes, who had never existed, except in the fancy of crafty or credulous legendaries; and there is reason to suspect, that Tours might not be the only diocese in which the bones of a malefactor were adored, instead of those of a saint. A superstitious practice, which tended to increase the temptations of fraud, and credulity, insensibly extinguished the light of history, and of reason, in the Christian world.

II.
But the progress of superstition would have been much less rapid and victorious, if the faith of the people had not been assisted by the seasonable aid of visions and miracles, to ascertain the authenticity and virtue of the most suspicious relics. In the reign of the younger Theodosius, Lucian, a presbyter of Jerusalem, and the ecclesiastical minister of the village of Caphargamala, about twenty miles from the city, related a very singular dream, which, to remove his doubts, had been repeated on three successive Saturdays. A venerable figure stood before him, in the silence of the night, with a long beard, a white robe, and a gold rod; announced himself by the name of Gamaliel, and revealed to the astonished presbyter, that his own corpse, with the bodies of his son Abibas, his friend Nicodemus, and the illustrious Stephen, the first martyr of the Christian faith, were secretly buried in the adjacent field. He added, with some impatience, that it was time to release himself and his companions from their obscure prison; that their appearance would be salutary to a distressed world; and that they had made choice of Lucian to inform the bishop of Jerusalem of their situation and their wishes. The doubts and difficulties which still retarded this important discovery were successively removed by new visions; and the ground was opened by the bishop, in the presence of an innumerable multitude. The coffins of Gamaliel, of his son, and of his friend, were found in regular order; but when the fourth coffin, which contained the remains of Stephen, was shown to the light, the earth trembled, and an odor, such as that of paradise, was smelt, which instantly cured the various diseases of seventy-three of the assistants. The companions of Stephen were left in their peaceful residence of Caphargamala: but the relics of the first martyr were transported, in solemn procession, to a church constructed in their honor on Mount Sion; and the minute particles of those relics, a drop of blood, or the scrapings of a bone, were acknowledged, in almost every province of the Roman world, to possess a divine and miraculous virtue. The grave and learned Augustin, whose understanding scarcely admits the excuse of credulity, has attested the innumerable prodigies which were performed in Africa by the relics of St. Stephen; and this marvellous narrative is inserted in the elaborate work of the City of God, which the bishop of Hippo designed as a solid and immortal proof of the truth of Christianity. Augustin solemnly declares, that he has selected those miracles only which were publicly certified by the persons who were either the objects, or the spectators, of the power of the martyr. Many prodigies were omitted, or forgotten; and Hippo had been less favorably treated than the other cities of the province. And yet the bishop enumerates above seventy miracles, of which three were resurrections from the dead, in the space of two years, and within the limits of his own diocese. If we enlarge our view to all the dioceses, and all the saints, of the Christian world, it will not be easy to calculate the fables, and the errors, which issued from this inexhaustible source. But we may surely be allowed to observe, that a miracle, in that age of superstition and credulity, lost its name and its merit, since it could scarcely be considered as a deviation from the ordinary and established laws of nature.


III.
The innumerable miracles, of which the tombs of the martyrs were the perpetual theatre, revealed to the pious believer the actual state and constitution of the invisible world; and his religious speculations appeared to be founded on the firm basis of fact and experience. Whatever might be the condition of vulgar souls, in the long interval between the dissolution and the resurrection of their bodies, it was evident that the superior spirits of the saints and martyrs did not consume that portion of their existence in silent and inglorious sleep. It was evident (without presuming to determine the place of their habitation, or the nature of their felicity) that they enjoyed the lively and active consciousness of their happiness, their virtue, and their powers; and that they had already secured the possession of their eternal reward. The enlargement of their intellectual faculties surpassed the measure of the human imagination; since it was proved by experience, that they were capable of hearing and understanding the various petitions of their numerous votaries; who, in the same moment of time, but in the most distant parts of the world, invoked the name and assistance of Stephen or of Martin. The confidence of their petitioners was founded on the persuasion, that the saints, who reigned with Christ, cast an eye of pity upon earth; that they were warmly interested in the prosperity of the Catholic Church; and that the individuals, who imitated the example of their faith and piety, were the peculiar and favorite objects of their most tender regard. Sometimes, indeed, their friendship might be influenced by considerations of a less exalted kind: they viewed with partial affection the places which had been consecrated by their birth, their residence, their death, their burial, or the possession of their relics. The meaner passions of pride, avarice, and revenge, may be deemed unworthy of a celestial breast; yet the saints themselves condescended to testify their grateful approbation of the liberality of their votaries; and the sharpest bolts of punishment were hurled against those impious wretches, who violated their magnificent shrines, or disbelieved their supernatural power. Atrocious, indeed, must have been the guilt, and strange would have been the scepticism, of those men, if they had obstinately resisted the proofs of a divine agency, which the elements, the whole range of the animal creation, and even the subtle and invisible operations of the human mind, were compelled to obey. The immediate, and almost instantaneous, effects that were supposed to follow the prayer, or the offence, satisfied the Christians of the ample measure of favor and authority which the saints enjoyed in the presence of the Supreme God; and it seemed almost superfluous to inquire whether they were continually obliged to intercede before the throne of grace; or whether they might not be permitted to exercise, according to the dictates of their benevolence and justice, the delegated powers of their subordinate ministry. The imagination, which had been raised by a painful effort to the contemplation and worship of the Universal Cause, eagerly embraced such inferior objects of adoration as were more proportioned to its gross conceptions and imperfect faculties. The sublime and simple theology of the primitive Christians was gradually corrupted; and the Monarchy of heaven, already clouded by metaphysical subtleties, was degraded by the introduction of a popular mythology, which tended to restore the reign of polytheism.


IV.
As the objects of religion were gradually reduced to the standard of the imagination, the rites and ceremonies were introduced that seemed most powerfully to affect the senses of the vulgar. If, in the beginning of the fifth century, Tertullian, or Lactantius, had been suddenly raised from the dead, to assist at the festival of some popular saint, or martyr, they would have gazed with astonishment, and indignation, on the profane spectacle, which had succeeded to the pure and spiritual worship of a Christian congregation. As soon as the doors of the church were thrown open, they must have been offended by the smoke of incense, the perfume of flowers, and the glare of lamps and tapers, which diffused, at noonday, a gaudy, superfluous, and, in their opinion, a sacrilegious light. If they approached the balustrade of the altar, they made their way through the prostrate crowd, consisting, for the most part, of strangers and pilgrims, who resorted to the city on the vigil of the feast; and who already felt the strong intoxication of fanaticism, and, perhaps, of wine. Their devout kisses were imprinted on the walls and pavement of the sacred edifice; and their fervent prayers were directed, whatever might be the language of their church, to the bones, the blood, or the ashes of the saint, which were usually concealed, by a linen or silken veil, from the eyes of the vulgar. The Christians frequented the tombs of the martyrs, in the hope of obtaining, from their powerful intercession, every sort of spiritual, but more especially of temporal, blessings. They implored the preservation of their health, or the cure of their infirmities; the fruitfulness of their barren wives, or the safety and happiness of their children. Whenever they undertook any distant or dangerous journey, they requested, that the holy martyrs would be their guides and protectors on the road; and if they returned without having experienced any misfortune, they again hastened to the tombs of the martyrs, to celebrate, with grateful thanksgivings, their obligations to the memory and relics of those heavenly patrons. The walls were hung round with symbols of the favors which they had received; eyes, and hands, and feet, of gold and silver: and edifying pictures, which could not long escape the abuse of indiscreet or idolatrous devotion, represented the image, the attributes, and the miracles of the tutelar saint. The same uniform original spirit of superstition might suggest, in the most distant ages and countries, the same methods of deceiving the credulity, and of affecting the senses of mankind: but it must ingenuously be confessed, that the ministers of the Catholic church imitated the profane model, which they were impatient to destroy. The most respectable bishops had persuaded themselves that the ignorant rustics would more cheerfully renounce the superstitions of Paganism, if they found some resemblance, some compensation, in the bosom of Christianity. The religion of Constantine achieved, in less than a century, the final conquest of the Roman empire: but the victors themselves were insensibly subdued by the arts of their vanquished rivals.(The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 3, Chap. 28, pgs. 160 - 169 of the Everyman's Library edition)

The sins and rebellions of ancient Israel repeated by the new covenant Israel of God, the “Christian” church. Just as Israel continually fell into apostasy not long after her victories over her enemies, requiring reforms and reestablishment of truth again and again, so “Christianity” fell pray to the same. Christianity having basically conquered the paganism of the Roman Empire, fell right back into apostasy and paganism shortly thereafter. Nothing it seems is more dangerous and or detrimental to God’s people on this earth, than victory over their “enemies”, leading to a false sense of security. Usually followed by open apostasy. A factually demonstrated truth that Christians today should remain keenly aware of.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

For a guy who believed guns were more important than innocent children's lives?

What a vile, evil country America is.
Americans want guns so we can protect innocent people from criminals and a tyrannical government.

Not to gun down children and people we disagree with.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

...a media personality, murdered in an presumably political attack:


but not for Melissa Hortman, an elected official, murdered in a separate political attack:
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Her Governor ordered that flags be flown at half-mast for her assassination.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Where is the hatred and violence in that claim?
I'll answer that with a question: where's the hatred and violence in saying that @Zaha Torte encourages and supports terrorism?
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

While the world has been discussing the fate of "Palestinian" refugees for decades, there has been silence about the disenfranchisement and expulsion of nearly one million Jews from Arab states. A new UN report now reveals the extent of the expulsion, expropriation and destruction of communities that had existed for thousands of years.

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Iraqi Jews arrive at Lod Airport in Israel

Since 1948, the United Nations has adopted countless resolutions and reports on the situation of "Palestinian" refugees. However, hardly a word has been said about the other side of the story: the systematic expulsion of Jewish communities from the Arab world. Now, for the first time, comprehensive documentation is available that reveals the extent of this suppressed chapter of history.

The international organisation Justice for Jews from Arab Countries (JJAC) has spent years compiling eleven detailed country reports, which were presented on the opening day of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, Sep 8th, 2025. The findings are shocking: over 99 per cent of the Jews who had lived in North Africa and the Middle East for thousands of years have been forced to leave their homes since 1948. Entire communities, older than Islam itself, disappeared within a few decades.

In 1948, around 140,000 Jews lived in Algeria, today, there are none left. In Iraq, once home to 135,000 Jews, only five remain. In Tunisia, the number fell from 105,000 to around 1,500. In Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Libya and Lebanon, the same picture repeats itself: thriving communities have been reduced to empty synagogues, destroyed cemeteries and forgotten traces of a lost culture.

The report describes the region today as effectively ‘free of Jews’. This term, which recalls the darkest chapters of European history, describes the reality of a millennia-old presence that has been violently eradicated, by Arab nationalism, Islamist fanaticism and state-organised persecution.

In addition to the human tragedy, the study also documents the material losses: expropriated houses, confiscated shops, looted synagogues, stolen libraries and community assets. At today's values, these losses amount to 263 billion dollars (approximately 244 billion euros). In Iran alone, the damage amounts to 61 billion dollars, in Egypt to 59 billion and in Iraq to 34 billion dollars.

The scale of the losses becomes clear when one looks at the per capita losses: in 1948, they ranged between 4,800 and 15,000 dollars depending on the country, for many families, this meant complete economic ruin.

While the "Palestinian" refugee issue has dominated UN debates for over 75 years, the Jewish tragedy has been systematically ignored. No aid organisation was established for these refugees, no billion-dollar programmes were launched, no ‘rights of return’ were demanded. Most of the 850,000 displaced Jews found refuge in Israel, where they were integrated without international assistance.

"The extent of the losses has hardly been acknowledged until now,"

explains Rabbi Elie Abadie, co-chair of JJAC. "

This history belongs to the Middle East like any other. Only through truth and recognition can reconciliation come about."

His co-chair, Sylvain Abitbol, adds:

"The Abraham Accords have shown that the peoples of the region can come together if history is viewed with courage and honesty. Without recognition of the Jewish refugees, any discussion of justice remains incomplete."

The issue of Jewish refugees is not a footnote, but a central component in the struggle for truth and justice. Those who only talk about "Palestinian" refugees are concealing half of the reality. Those who demand reparations, rights and recognition must not exploit some victims while ignoring others.

The silence surrounding the expulsion of Jews from Arab states is no longer tenable. The new UN report is a step in the right direction, but only if it is followed by political action. For only when the suffering of both peoples (Jews and Arabs) is acknowledged can a basis for genuine peace be established.
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Have you read any of the books of Enoch?

Yup. A wild book. And irrelevant to evolution.
There are actually three books attributed to Enoch - and that is not even mentioning the Book of the Giants and the Manchean texts.

They all deal with the Creation and Man's action that preceded the Flood - such as corrupting animal lines.
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If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

That's like saying, "Not all soldiers are true soldiers." It has to do with who in Israel is acting like Israel is supposed to be acting.
Not all (ethnic) Israel is (true) Israel.

Don't confuse the two in your understanding of NT doctrine.
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Judge Rules Georgia Voters Can’t Be Silenced By Pro-Trump Election Officials

In the context of elections, federal or not, each individual state runs its own, but thank you for clarifying what you meant.

It is common for states to redistrict after each census as populations shift with some states getting more congressmen and some getting fewer. It is relatively rare to redistrict in the middle of a decade, but, sure, a state can if its laws allow it. How does this redistricting, done specifically to get more Republican seats and few Democratic one, i.e. gerrymandering, benefit Texas?
It helps Texas and the country by getting more Republicans in Congress.
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Who then can be saved?

That's all your opinion.
One either believes Jesus or one doesn't.

Counterfeit faith is superficial belief that lacks genuine inner transformation (Mt 7:22-23).
Balancing comes as Scripture sheds light on other Scripture. Such as here.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." John 15

"If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off." Rom 11:17-22

"Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith." 1 Tim 1:18-19

Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” Matt 17:20-21

"...if I have a faith that can move mountains, but not love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 13:2

"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Cor 13:13

And some commentary from Augustine:
"What, then, shall I say of love, without which faith can do nothing? There can be no true hope without love. Indeed, as the apostle James says, "Even the demons believe and tremble."

Yet they neither hope nor love. Instead, believing as we do that what we hope for and love is coming to pass, they tremble. Therefore, the apostle Paul approves and commends the faith that works by love and that cannot exist without hope. Thus it is that love is not without hope, hope is not without love, and neither hope nor love are without faith."
From the Enchiridion: On Fatih, Hope, and Love.

"Man begins with faith, but the demons, too, believe and tremble; to faith, therefore, must be added hope, and to hope, love." 830 Serm., XVI, c.6

"Without love, faith can indeed exist, but it availeth nothing."831 De Trinit., XXV, 18

Council of Trent:, session 6, article 7:
For faith, unless hope and charity be added to it, neither unites man perfectly with Christ nor makes him a living member of His body.[39]

For which reason it is most truly said that faith without works is dead[40-James 2:17, 20] and of no profit, and in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything nor uncircumcision, but faith that worketh by charity.[41-Gal 5:6, 6:15]
"If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Pet 2:20-22 We'll know with perfect certainty who had "true faith", if such a distinction should even be made, at the end, which is when we'll know who perservered.
Paul disagrees with you in Ro 8:16:
"The Spirit himself testfies with our spirit that we are God's children."
And you say that you likewise have this testimony.
With the Spirit's testimony comes the power to believe it.

You either believe Jesus and Paul or you don't.
There is true faith and there is counterfeit faith (Mt 7:21-23).
No one walks away from true faith, for they are kept by the power of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14, 1 Pe 1:5).
Any faith that one walks away from was counerfeit.
True faith transforms and keeps one from walking away, counterfeit faith does not.
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The rider on the white horse

Another way to look at it is through the pattern of Elijah and his disciple Elisha, who asked him for a "double portion" of his spirit (2 Kings 2:9-10). Elisha didn’t simply want to imitate Elijah; he sought to carry forward his authority and ministry on earth in multiplied form. That is precisely what I see reflected in the two witnesses: they are given power, stand in God’s authority, and their testimony spans 42 months.

To further substantiate this train of thought, there is a curious event in Elisha’s early ministry that echoes Revelation 11’s symbolic language. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, Elisha was mocked by a group of 42 children, and in response, two she-bears come out of the forest and mauled and killed all 42 children. The parallels are striking in their symbolism:
  • Two bears: A vivid image of judgment, mirroring the two witnesses, who likewise are agents of God’s retribution.
  • Number 42: Appears both here and in Revelation 11 (42 months, 1,260 days).
  • God’s servant mocked: Elisha was ridiculed with the sneer “Go on up!” - a taunt perhaps spiritually aimed at Elijah’s departure into heaven (2 Kings 2:11). In the same way, the two witnesses are scorned and mocked, their testimony despised until they too are vindicated in a heavenly ascension (Rev. 11:12).
  • Judgment executed: The bears acted under Elisha’s prophetic authority; likewise, the two witnesses wield divine authority to strike the earth with plagues (Rev. 11:6).
  • Prophetic warning: The bears’ attack stood as a solemn warning to all who mocked God’s messenger, just as the witnesses’ ministry confronts a rebellious world.
The connection becomes clearer when we see the White Horse rider as the end-time Elijah figure - God’s anointed overcomer. Just as in 2 Kings 2, when Elijah was “taken up” (2 Kings 2:11), his ministry did not vanish; it was transferred and multiplied in the two witnesses. They pick up the mantle and carry it forward.

This explains why the vision shows one rider initially but later introduces two witnesses: the rider is the Elijah-servant, and the witnesses are the Elisha-like continuation, a “double portion” of that mantle, carrying on the LORD’s work on earth. So, the vision of one rider and two witnesses isn't necessarily contradictory to warrant conceptualising it here; they are distinct yet connected in God's purpose. This may also explain why the two witnesses are portrayed in the likeness of the prophets of old, performing the same miracles as Elijah and Moses (Rev. 11:5-6).
Very well thought out and I agree with a lot of it!! I also never even considered the mockery of "Go on up!" to essentially be telling Elisha to leave in the same manner as Elijah. That is very interesting and I'll be looking into that later, so thank you on that! I 100% agree with you that the power the 2 witnesses wield is in likeness to Moses and Elijah, which is why I understand why people think it would literally be them. But as you pointed out, Elisha led the same walk as Elijah and continued the mantel. This is why I believe that 1 of the two witnesses carries the same mantel as Elijah since we have the verse:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:" - Malachi 4:5

But the Israelite's understood that this was a mantel transfer which is why they considered John the Baptist to BE Elijah, and why the angel said he has the spirit of Elijah. This is why Jesus also said concerning John the Baptist:
"And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come." - Matthew 11:14

Which proves, it doesn't have to be the literal Elijah, like the historical figure.

Now back to the white rider: The only Issue I have concerning that it is in reference to 1 witness only, is because both witnesses have the same run days, 1260. Both also are killed, bodies in the streets for 3 days before being resurrected. That puts their death on the same day, which means their start day would also have to be the same. So if the white rider was Elijah to come only, that causes a symbolism issue concerning a 2nd witness. When God uses symbolism, he's very precise and I don't think he would use a symbol for 1 witness and ignore the other.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

A Venezuelan boat that the U.S. military destroyed in the Caribbean last week had altered its course and appeared to have turned around before the attack started because the people onboard had apparently spotted a military aircraft stalking it, according to American officials familiar with the matter.

The military repeatedly hit the vessel before it sank, the officials added, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. President Trump has said he authorized the strike and claimed the boat was carrying drugs.


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People on board the boat off the coast of Venezuela that the U.S. military destroyed last Tuesday were said to have survived an initial strike, according to two American officials familiar with the matter. They were then killed shortly after in a follow-up attack.

The boat was under U.S. surveillance for a significant period of time. Those on board apparently spotted the U.S. aerial assets and altered the vessel’s course. U.S. officials said the boat appeared to have turned back toward shore, after which it was subjected to multiple strikes. Three sources, including Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said the boat was attacked by one or more drones.

If this is true, how is it not a war crime?
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Hamas terrorists invaded Israel, carried out a massacre and took hostages. In addition to several thousand rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, Hezbollah attacked from the north. The mullah regime in Iran is behind these terrorist movements. Iran's large-scale attack on Israel was anything but proportionate. The fact that little damage was done does not make it any less reprehensible. An existential threat to Israel.


This is like saying AQ posed a threat to the existence of the US through 9/11 - clearly nonsense.


Since its establishment in 1948, Israel's existence has been challenged by a series of wars, political conflicts and threats from neighbouring states and other actors.

Immediately after independence was declared on 14 May 1948, the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq attacked Israel, triggering the first Arab-Israeli war. From the outset, the "Palestinian" leadership and many Arab states rejected the partition of "Palestine" and the establishment of Israel. To this day, some states and organisations question Israel's existence. Since then, Israel has been involved in several other wars and military conflicts, including the Six-Day War in 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in 1973. The Israeli-"Palestinian" conflict has led to numerous armed conflicts and uprisings, such as the First Intifada. The constant conflict and threats have forced Israel to build up a strong military force to secure its existence.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

The temples of the Roman empire were deserted, or destroyed; but the ingenious superstition of the Pagans still attempted to elude the laws of Theodosius, by which all sacrifices had been severely prohibited. The inhabitants of the country, whose conduct was less opposed to the eye of malicious curiosity, disguised their religious, under the appearance of convivial, meetings. On the days of solemn festivals, they assembled in great numbers under the spreading shade of some consecrated trees; sheep and oxen were slaughtered and roasted; and this rural entertainment was sanctified by the use of incense, and by the hymns which were sung in honor of the gods. But it was alleged, that, as no part of the animal was made a burnt-offering, as no altar was provided to receive the blood, and as the previous oblation of salt cakes, and the concluding ceremony of libations, were carefully omitted, these festal meetings did not involve the guests in the guilt, or penalty, of an illegal sacrifice. Whatever might be the truth of the facts, or the merit of the distinction, these vain pretences were swept away by the last edict of Theodosius, which inflicted a deadly wound on the superstition of the Pagans. This prohibitory law is expressed in the most absolute and comprehensive terms. “It is our will and pleasure,” says the emperor, “that none of our subjects, whether magistrates or private citizens, however exalted or however humble may be their rank and condition, shall presume, in any city or in any place, to worship an inanimate idol, by the sacrifice of a guiltless victim.” The act of sacrificing, and the practice of divination by the entrails of the victim, are declared (without any regard to the object of the inquiry) a crime of high treason against the state, which can be expiated only by the death of the guilty. The rites of Pagan superstition, which might seem less bloody and atrocious, are abolished, as highly injurious to the truth and honor of religion; luminaries, garlands, frankincense, and libations of wine, are specially enumerated and condemned; and the harmless claims of the domestic genius, of the household gods, are included in this rigorous proscription. The use of any of these profane and illegal ceremonies, subjects the offender to the forfeiture of the house or estate, where they have been performed; and if he has artfully chosen the property of another for the scene of his impiety, he is compelled to discharge, without delay, a heavy fine of twenty-five pounds of gold, or more than one thousand pounds sterling. A fine, not less considerable, is imposed on the connivance of the secret enemies of religion, who shall neglect the duty of their respective stations, either to reveal, or to punish, the guilt of idolatry. Such was the persecuting spirit of the laws of Theodosius, which were repeatedly enforced by his sons and grandsons, with the loud and unanimous applause of the Christian world.

In the cruel reigns of Decius and Dioclesian, Christianity had been proscribed, as a revolt from the ancient and hereditary religion of the empire; and the unjust suspicions which were entertained of a dark and dangerous faction, were, in some measure, countenanced by the inseparable union and rapid conquests of the Catholic church. But the same excuses of fear and ignorance cannot be applied to the Christian emperors who violated the precepts of humanity and of the Gospel.
The experience of ages had betrayed the weakness, as well as folly, of Paganism; the light of reason and of faith had already exposed, to the greatest part of mankind, the vanity of idols; and the declining sect, which still adhered to their worship, might have been permitted to enjoy, in peace and obscurity, the religious costumes of their ancestors. Had the Pagans been animated by the undaunted zeal which possessed the minds of the primitive believers, the triumph of the Church must have been stained with blood; and the martyrs of Jupiter and Apollo might have embraced the glorious opportunity of devoting their lives and fortunes at the foot of their altars. But such obstinate zeal was not congenial to the loose and careless temper of Polytheism. The violent and repeated strokes of the orthodox princes were broken by the soft and yielding substance against which they were directed; and the ready obedience of the Pagans protected them from the pains and penalties of the Theodosian Code. Instead of asserting, that the authority of the gods was superior to that of the emperor, they desisted, with a plaintive murmur, from the use of those sacred rites which their sovereign had condemned. If they were sometimes tempted by a sally of passion, or by the hopes of concealment, to indulge their favorite superstition, their humble repentance disarmed the severity of the Christian magistrate, and they seldom refused to atone for their rashness, by submitting, with some secret reluctance, to the yoke of the Gospel. The churches were filled with the increasing multitude of these unworthy proselytes, who had conformed, from temporal motives, to the reigning religion; and whilst they devoutly imitated the postures, and recited the prayers, of the faithful, they satisfied their conscience by the silent and sincere invocation of the gods of antiquity. If the Pagans wanted patience to suffer they wanted spirit to resist; and the scattered myriads, who deplored the ruin of the temples, yielded, without a contest, to the fortune of their adversaries. The disorderly opposition of the peasants of Syria, and the populace of Alexandria, to the rage of private fanaticism, was silenced by the name and authority of the emperor. The Pagans of the West, without contributing to the elevation of Eugenius, disgraced, by their partial attachment, the cause and character of the usurper. The clergy vehemently exclaimed, that he aggravated the crime of rebellion by the guilt of apostasy; that, by his permission, the altar of victory was again restored; and that the idolatrous symbols of Jupiter and Hercules were displayed in the field, against the invincible standard of the cross. But the vain hopes of the Pagans were soon annihilated by the defeat of Eugenius; and they were left exposed to the resentment of the conqueror, who labored to deserve the favor of Heaven by the extirpation of idolatry.

A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master, who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the last extremes of injustice and oppression. Theodosius might undoubtedly have proposed to his Pagan subjects the alternative of baptism or of death; and the eloquent Libanius has praised the moderation of a prince, who never enacted, by any positive law, that all his subjects should immediately embrace and practise the religion of their sovereign. The profession of Christianity was not made an essential qualification for the enjoyment of the civil rights of society, nor were any peculiar hardships imposed on the sectaries, who credulously received the fables of Ovid, and obstinately rejected the miracles of the Gospel. The palace, the schools, the army, and the senate, were filled with declared and devout Pagans; they obtained, without distinction, the civil and military honors of the empire.Theodosius distinguished his liberal regard for virtue and genius by the consular dignity, which he bestowed on Symmachus; and by the personal friendship which he expressed to Libanius; and the two eloquent apologists of Paganism were never required either to change or to dissemble their religious opinions. The Pagans were indulged in the most licentious freedom of speech and writing; the historical and philosophic remains of Eunapius, Zosimus, and the fanatic teachers of the school of Plato, betray the most furious animosity, and contain the sharpest invectives, against the sentiments and conduct of their victorious adversaries. If these audacious libels were publicly known, we must applaud the good sense of the Christian princes, who viewed, with a smile of contempt, the last struggles of superstition and despair.3521 But the Imperial laws, which prohibited the sacrifices and ceremonies of Paganism, were rigidly executed; and every hour contributed to destroy the influence of a religion, which was supported by custom, rather than by argument. The devotion or the poet, or the philosopher, may be secretly nourished by prayer, meditation, and study; but the exercise of public worship appears to be the only solid foundation of the religious sentiments of the people, which derive their force from imitation and habit. The interruption of that public exercise may consummate, in the period of a few years, the important work of a national revolution. The memory of theological opinions cannot long be preserved, without the artificial helps of priests, of temples, and of books. The ignorant vulgar, whose minds are still agitated by the blind hopes and terrors of superstition, will be soon persuaded by their superiors to direct their vows to the reigning deities of the age; and will insensibly imbibe an ardent zeal for the support and propagation of the new doctrine, which spiritual hunger at first compelled them to accept. The generation that arose in the world after the promulgation of the Imperial laws, was attracted within the pale of the Catholic church: and so rapid, yet so gentle, was the fall of Paganism, that only twenty-eight years after the death of Theodosius, the faint and minute vestiges were no longer visible to the eye of the legislator. (The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 3, Chap. 28, pgs. 155 - 160 of the Everyman's Library edition)

The mandates of a united church and state (Catholicism), bringing countless new members into the church, with unconverted hearts and minds.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

I mean, the comments are poorly timed, but I’m not seeing what the scandal is. He said specifically he wasn’t condoning what happened, but we are in an era where people are getting shot over their politics with an alarming frequency, and when people say things they believe that are provocative, we are unfortunately in an era where it’s leading to outcomes like this. He didn’t say it was good or he was happy about it. He was bemoaning it. He was making a statement about where we are as a country, that’s all.

People have said the same or similar here, with more divisiveness and without the underscoring of it being a tragedy.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

A Venezuelan boat that the U.S. military destroyed in the Caribbean last week had altered its course and appeared to have turned around before the attack started because the people onboard had apparently spotted a military aircraft stalking it, according to American officials familiar with the matter.

The military repeatedly hit the vessel before it sank, the officials added, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. President Trump has said he authorized the strike and claimed the boat was carrying drugs.


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People on board the boat off the coast of Venezuela that the U.S. military destroyed last Tuesday were said to have survived an initial strike, according to two American officials familiar with the matter. They were then killed shortly after in a follow-up attack.

The boat was under U.S. surveillance for a significant period of time. Those on board apparently spotted the U.S. aerial assets and altered the vessel’s course. U.S. officials said the boat appeared to have turned back toward shore, after which it was subjected to multiple strikes. Three sources, including Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said the boat was attacked by one or more drones.

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