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Chesterton · Sep 13, 2025

He's right. And Jesus came with a sword, to divide. If good and evil face against each other, and the evil makes the divide irreconcilable, you need to pick a side.

HARK! · Sep 13, 2025

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JosephZ · Sep 13, 2025

Vambram said:
Should any blame be placed upon whoever influenced Tyler Robinson into hating Charlie Kirk while deciding Kirk needs to be assassinated?

According to a family member, in the days leading up to the shooting, Tyler Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk "was full of hate and spreading hate." Do you think that Kirk's own words may have had an influence on Robinson and his decision to assassinate him?

durangodawood · Sep 13, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Have to embrace the double think. All weapons are equally effective, have the same learning curve and ease of use as firearms. If someone wants to kill they will do so with the same level of lethality regardless of having guns or not.

Also.

Guns are the most effective and easy to use tool for self and home defense. People must have access to them and cannot be expected to use other less effective tools.

Ive noticed over the years, pro gun people invoke the absolute dumbest arguments.

Not that all their arguments are dumb. But the general notion that theres no public safety discussion to be had about the availability of various objects is just absurd. Its a zombie argument with working legs but no brain.

The Liturgist · Sep 13, 2025

Nick Moser said:
Fallon Nevada in Churchill county

Well we need to rectify that. Lately the Antiochians have planted churches right across Utah and converted many Mormons.

How far away is the nearest Orthodox church?

A New Dawn · Sep 13, 2025

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
You have been dancing around the issue that I raised. You have a need to change the definition of slave depending on the circumstance. You like its meaning when it is applied to lost people. But you need to change its meaning when applying it to saved people. And here you are trying to create some kind of distinction between what makes a person a slave of sin based on whether he lived before or after pentecost. That distinction is invalid because sinning still makes people slaves to sin. Yet, even if you were right on that point, you would still have a problem with Romans 6:18 which says we have become "slaves of righteousness" and Romans 6:22 which says we have become "slaves of God". Your definition of slave changes in these verses because you allow for unrighteousness and ungodliness for slaves of righteousness who are also slaves of God. And I bring this up, not to criticise, but to get you to thinking about the inconsistency and what might clear it up.

so far, so good.

While it is true that He guides us, what you have not stated is that the Holy Siprit coming into our hearts makes us a new creation (2 Cor 5:17). He separates us and removes us from the flesh (Ro 10:9), joins us with Christ (1 Cor 6:17), and makes us one Spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17). This new creature (the new man) is "created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24).

The fact that we are a new creation, separated and removed from the flesh, joined with Christ, and are one spirit with Him is what makes us sanctified. We are have been culled out from among the lost, cleaned up, and set aside for His service. And this thing that He did for us happens in the heart. We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit because He He separated us from Sin and Joined us to Christ. That is our sanctification.

Please address why you need the definition of slave to change when we talk about being slaves of God (see comments above).

I'm trying to help you understand that the flesh is corrupt and cannot be reformed but the redeemed spirit is "truly righteous and holy" and connot be corrupted. Not knowing these things is why you change the definition of slave to fit the context and is a big reason why you think sanctification is progressive. I know this is a big bite of spiritual food to offer you. Maybe you could just start by investigating why you need to run away from Jesus' statement that whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.

No, it is your error. It is Christ who makes us new creatures (that’s called regeneration) and then He gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit to work in us to help confirm us to the image of Christ.

And you are only partially correct later on, also. The flesh IS corrupt, and that is why sin still has power over us even after we are regenerated. But you are splitting non-existent hairs. Whether or not we have been regenerated, as long as we are surrounded by sin, it has power over us. But the gift of the Holy Spirit helps mitigate that power so we can respond to its guidance. We are NOT slaves to it after we have been redeemed.

And don’t flatter yourself that you think you have some secret knowledge that is not revealed in the Bible. I understand the Bible by looking at the context of the spoken and written word. That’s not “running away” from anything. You cannot take something that was said in one context and simply transpose it to a different, unrelated situation and make a coherent theology around it.

The Liturgist · Sep 13, 2025

@E.C. regarding converts - I do agree some might have bad ideas as a result of influence from the Old Calendarists, primarily, for example, those who oppose the relations between the Antiochian Orthodox and the Syriac Orthodox and between the Alexandrian Greek Orthodox and the Coptic Orthodox, which have helped those churches in their joint response to the extreme persecution both have suffered together.

But I would also say that your post contains a concerning statement that links political opinions regarding Russia that some Orthodox may have, converts or otherwise, with Orthodox Christians who are opposed to abortion - which is a legitimate concern of many Orthodox Christians, both Cradle Orthodox and Converts, including many Ukrainian Orthodox members of various jurisdictions including the OCA, ROCOR, the UOCNA and others, who have actively participated in the Pro Life movement. I would request that you not make that accusation.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 13, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick says Elon Musk got DOGE 'backward'

Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick is now criticizing Elon Musk's rapid federal worker cuts.

Lutnick told Axios that Musk got the DOGE cuts "backward."

Lutnick recruited Musk to be in charge of DOGE and tasked him with cutting $1 trillion.

In an interview with "The Axios Show" that aired on Friday, Lutnick told show host Mike Allen that Musk approached DOGE in the same way he approached Twitter, now X, where he rapidly cut 80% of staff, and that Musk "thought that example worked for government."

Earlier this year, Lutnick said on Fox News' "Jesse Watters Primetime" that he was the one who "set up" Musk with the job after flying to Texas to meet the Tesla CEO in October 2024. There, they reached an agreement that Musk would cut "$1 trillion of waste, fraud, and abuse," Lutnick said.

Musk fired at least 200,000 federal workers during his time with DOGE, and management experts have widely criticized his methodology.

lol

How is it that little ol' me, the guy who makes cartoon fart noises for a living, could see this coming from a mile away (and said as much here, repeatedly) when all of these supposedly smart billionaires couldn't. Either these guys don't have a full brain between them or they're lying about being disappointed in the outcome. This approach didn't work at Twitter and it was obvious from before it began that it wouldn't work in the federal government.

essentialsaltes · Sep 13, 2025

What we know about Tyler Robinson, the young suspect accused in Charlie Kirk killing

Like most of the people in the community, Robinson, his parents and two brothers attended the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints church less than a mile away, [neighbor] Scwiermann said.

The family called their church bishop — also a neighbor — when Robinson threatened to take his own life, according to a law enforcement source who was not authorized to discuss the investigation.

Robinson attended Utah State University in 2021, where he majored in engineering, but took leave after one semester.

He later attended Dixie Technical College, where school officials said he was in his third year of study in the electrical apprenticeship program.

Robinson had registered as nonpartisan in Utah, while both of his parents were registered Republicans, according to registration data reviewed by The Times.

“It is increasingly difficult to immediately ascribe motivation as many lone young assailants are often a mix of grievance, mental distress and aggressions picked up in social circles and online,” said Brian Levin, professor emeritus at Cal State San Bernardino and founder of its Center for the Study of Hate.

“Verbiage, memes, targeting, crude humor and cultural references that are immediately available often telegraph motives for violent symbolic attacks, but can also be amorphous or disjointed,” he said.

“With memes the message was really about talking to other would be shooters,” [extremism expert] Donovan said. “It wasn’t about communicating to the media or communicating even a serious message.”

“It’s both impostor and mocking at the same time,” Donovan said. “When we’re talking about ‘black pilled’ youth and those that are just upset with the entire system, it does make sense that you’d have someone engraving bullets with very nihilistic hubris.”

iluvatar5150 · Sep 13, 2025

bèlla said:
It’s interesting you overlooked the most likely party who bears accountability for his character. At 22 years of age the bulk of his time has been spent in the company of his parents not the strangers you have in mind.

They raised the miscreant and well adjusted citizens don’t murder people they disagree with. It’s unlikely there weren’t signs he had a problem or hostility towards certain subjects or groups. You don’t wake up and become a killer. Put the buck where it belongs.

I don't know... That attitude does make things "easy" but I can hypothesize a lot of scenarios where this wouldn't have been obvious to them. For one thing, he was 22 and likely not even having lived at home for a few years. Second, this is the age where a lot of mental illnesses start popping up. Somebody brought up in a conservative religious household would've likely had a lot of practice disciplining themselves to put on a good face in public or code switching to act nicely around others.

I realize it's a piece of fiction, but the Netflix show Adolescence dealt with this situation very well.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 13, 2025

rambot said:
Actually people with awful ideas actually tend to feel smug and self righteous and communicate in the same way with others.

And sometimes they just shoot the other person in the neck, or blow the tip of their ear off.

LoricaLady · Sep 13, 2025

13 September 2025 – Malaysia

Rural Christians, many of whom are illiterate, have been registered as ‘Muslim’ on their official identity cards without their knowledge. Pray that a way is found for them to be able legally to amend this identification, which has huge implications for their children’s education.

12 September 2025 – Malaysia

Pray for protection for house churches as they are becoming ever more important for persecuted believers. May the established churches recognise the importance of these places and start to support them.

11 September 2025 – Malaysia

Pray for the political leaders in Malaysia as they continue to be put under pressure from radical groups to implement Sharia (Islamic law) nationally.

10 September 2025 – Malaysia

Ask God to protect, inspire and lead Susanna Koh as she faithfully ministers while at the same time seeking justice for her husband, pastor Raymond Koh. Remember too her three children who have been profoundly affected by the absence of their father, who has not been seen since his abduction in 2017

09 September 2025 – Malaysia

Many believers in Malaysia are afraid to share the gospel with others because of the repercussions from militants in the Muslim majority. Pray that real and perceived persecution would not deter them.

08 September 2025 – Malaysia

Lift up in prayer secret believers from Malay backgrounds who are fearful for the future. Pray that, built up by the Spirit, they will persevere in their faith. In particular, remember ‘Fatimah’ (see Voice, April-June 2025) as she seeks faithfully to follow Jesus.

07 September 2025 – Iran

An imprisoned Iranian Christian convert, Amir-Ali Minaei, who has a heart condition and was recently assaulted by a prison guard, went on hunger strike in April. The 31-year-old is also understood to have ceased taking his medication in protest against the denial of access to a telephone in Evin prison. Remember him in your prayers. […]

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Chesterton · Sep 13, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
So when you did it, you did it for a purpose that was just for you and that was Ok, but when people do it now it’s something you foam at the mouth about…?

Interesting.

Exactly.

The Liturgist · Sep 13, 2025

rusmeister said:
Hi! I wasn’t meaning to pick on anyone in particular.
Anyway, it was an aside, and I don’t want to derail the thread.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that! And I am continuing to pray for you.

RDKirk · Sep 13, 2025

Postvieww said:
Not the only military action Obama took. You should know that.

Presidents have been doing this since the 80s. Most of them you never heard of.

In September, 1981, we were thiiiiiiiiiiiis close to bombing North Korea. I was in the room to hear a general go "Aw, <bleep>" when they failed to give us the context he was hoping for. But such things happened often enough anyway.

You only heard of this one because Trump bragged about it.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 13, 2025

Chesterton said:
As a teenager I was a punk rocker In the early '80's. I died my hair in weird colors, as did some of my friends. We did it to be weird and shocking and funny. Nowadays Leftists want non-human hair colors to be accepted as normal, just as they want many abnormal things to become normal. Symbolism is important.

So when you did it, you did it for a purpose that was just for you and that was Ok, but when people do it now it’s something you foam at the mouth about…?

Interesting.

Chesterton · Sep 13, 2025

I asked Grok a question about the Unite The Kingdom rally. It began by mentioning that it is organized by "far-right Tommy Robinson". (I'll leave out some verbiage to keep this brief.)

I then asked why it said Tommy is far-right when he's not far-right. It said because that's how the media and a couple of organizations describe him. I asked "wouldn't it be more appropriate and fair to give his name without prefixing it with a subjective adjective?" The AI agreed with me that it would be, and said it would refrain from doing so in the future.

I was impressed with both the AI and myself. Did little old me just influence Grok to change its evil, woke ways to a small extent? Nope. I went back about an hour later and asked "Who is Tommy Robinson", and it began with he is a "far-right" activist. Why did Grok lie to me?

(For the fun of it I also asked "Who is Bill Ayers", and it did not anywhere include the words "far-left".)

prudent_commenter · Sep 13, 2025

bèlla said:
He wasn’t blind to the truth. That’s why his punishment was greater. She was deceived but he wasn’t.

Her punishment was greater, not his.

He was deceived, by her, which in turn she was deceived by the devil. The devil knew he couldn't get to him directly, which is he chose her.

When attacking anything, you don't go for the strongest point, but for weakest one. She was his only weakness.

bèlla said:
Ayn Rand once said, “There’s more than one way to skin a cat. The skinning isn’t important once you’ve broken its spine.“ That’s the situation in the nutshell.

Man's society has been built on numbers. Cost-effectiveness. You never consume resources without a guarantee of the gains. Lots of resources equal lots of gain. Low resources, low gain. That's how society works. There is nothing done for free. This movement was well executed. Anything well done costs money, and lots of it.

bèlla said:
Your engagement on this is involvement with the world. They host christian discussions in exchange for profits which is capitalism. The bulk of the conversations on the venue are political. You’ve chosen an odd setting for discourse in light of your ideals.

I do whatever God tells me to do. And so far, it is to not be of the world.

Besides, people don't understand. They don't understand the importance of being sober-minded. The more you tell them not to do something, the more they want to do it. They are mostly focused on forgiveness of the Lord instead of stopping their sin. If they were sober-minded, they would have better control over themselves.

I see people chained to their desires. Money-chasers and skirt-chasers , because only these two exist. It's such a useless pursuit in the grand scheme of things. I am very thankful in being what I am. I would have disliked this sandcastle-like living.

bèlla said:
The world won’t be whole until Christ’s reign. We‘re incapable of loving one another unselfishly and many do not wish to.

~bella

Yes, but this won't come anytime soon.

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