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Two in a bed one taken... where? Where there is a dead body, the vultures will gather. This means?

Dear GoldenKingGaze,
Here is the Nicene Greed:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

I believe and teach everything that is stated above except for recoginizing the Holy Catholic church as the true church. The apostolic church that the Apostles started, along with its teachings of truth as recorded in the NT, is the one true church.

Do you accept the teachings of the Holy Catholic church or is that an exception for you, too?

Joe
The Nicene Creed is Trinitarian.
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Christians Have an Image Problem

God's Word says His children are light(s) in the world; but the world hates the light because it's actions-deeds-works are evil and they do not want to be exposed. Thus cannot expect the light to turn people to God.
I think light is a good analogy. It sort of encompasses truth but also a position that is transparent. Being willing to subject oneself to the light.
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How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

That’s a non-sequitur.
Not so, in my view. Psalm 148 has the psalmist saying "praise Him" to angels, sun, moon and stars:

“2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His hosts! 3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light!” (Ps 148:2-3 NKJV)

Valetta had said that the psalmist was praying to angels. If that is so, he seems also to have been praying to sun, moon and stars, and of course he wasn't.
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

Yes like the Morley experiment which they aggressively refute, by saying the aether does not exists when in fact it certainly does.
Michelson–Morley type experiments have been repeated many times with steadily increasing sensitivity. These include experiments from 1902 to 1905, and a series of experiments in the 1920s. More recently, in 2009, optical resonator experiments confirmed the absence of any aether wind at the 10−17 level. Together with the Ives–Stilwell and Kennedy–Thorndike experiments, Michelson–Morley type experiments form one of the fundamental tests of special relativity.
They say that 'ignorance is bliss' which is true in this case, most people can't except the truth as it's what they have been indoctrinated into all of their lives.
Projecting again :oldthumbsup:
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Andromeda

It was created in 4004 BC, and its age has nothing to do with this thread.
Is some sort of a joke?
If it was created in 4004 BC its age is nearly 6030 years.
The whole point of this ridiculous thread is galaxies cannot be further out than 6030 light years hence the nonsense about wormholes.

If you tried to understand the posts written in this thread inside of thinking you possess one of the finest minds of the 12th century, photons travelling inside wormholes will never be as observed as the wormhole is pinched by the positive energy of the photon.
This is what your AI overview is implying "Wormholes could theoretically provide shortcuts through spacetime, enabling faster-than-light travel or even a form of time travel, although these possibilities face significant theoretical and practical challenges."

For someone to tell science to take a hike while simultaneously relying on highly speculative physics to support creationism is beyond hypocritical but laughable.
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Futurist Only Leaving a Rapture note for unbelieving family

That is loving and very considerate, doing what you can to help or try to help those you love.

In the 1960s and '70s I believed that people would start disappearing, the Lord was going to take them because that's what most churches preached.

In the 1980s I began to do some research to give to a friend concerning the rapture she was curious. And the more I researched the more I was led to the truth. The verses that ministers use to support the pre-tribulation rapture actually don't.
1) 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment in the twinkling of an eye, ""at the last trumpet."" For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[At the last trumpet, this is going to occur at the last trumpet after it sounds. When you go to Revelation 11:15 and read what happens at the sounding of the seventh trumpet, it reads the seven angels sounded and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign forever. Verse 18 tells us that the nations were angry, AND THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,...... When the seventh angel sounds, Jesus is here judgment is here. He is not taking people from Earth and then coming back three and a half years later.

2) 2 Thessalonians 2:1 now we beseech you brothern, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him. Verse 3 - let no man deceive you by any means: for that day ""shall not come,"" except there come a falling away first, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition. [ A falling away in belief in Christ by the church and the revealing of the Antichrist who is the man of sin the son of perdition. There are those who say that Judas was the son of perdition, Judas was dead, already known about, so how can he be revealed.

Matthew 24:40-41 One will be taken and the other left [doesn't mean they will be raptured away pre tribulation. Verses 38/39 tells us that the people didn't know the flood was coming until it came and when it came it was too late. Noah and his family was saved simultaneously with the other people of the world being flooded out.

3) 1 Thessalonians 15-17 for this we say unto you by the word of the lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord [remain, remain from what]. Very 16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and The voice of the archangel, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. [ The Lord will descend, he's coming down, archangel will announce it, and the seventh trumpet will sound. And as the Lord is descending the dead will rise first] verse 17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.... [Remain, from the tribulation, many Christians will be slaughtered. Meeting him in the air as he's coming down we're going up]

As written in the book of Revelations Christians will be beheaded simply meaning killed.
The "last trumpet" is not a reference to Revelation, which had not been written and would not be written for decades after Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Paul wouldn't be communicating to the Corinthians referencing a book that wouldn't be written for over 30 years yet.

Rather, the "last trumpet" is a reference to Jesus' Olivet Discourse
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Who blows the trumpet there?
Jesus

and that (and 1 Thessalonians 4's passage as well) are referencing this:

Zechariah 9
14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
The Lord seen in the sky, blows the trumpet, coming like lightning.. that should all sound familiar. Jesus was identifying Himself as the Lord God from this passage (you can use this when a Muslim claims that Jesus never said He is God, it is a direct reference).
Then His people are as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign (a banner) upon the land.. in other words.. God's people are raised up above the land, in the sky. That should sound familiar. Paul knew the scripture Jesus was referring to and referred to it himself. Paul did not just randomly pull doctrine out of the ether. Everything Paul taught was at least partially revealed in the Old Testament. Just as the Bereans did, you should take everything that Paul talks about and check it against Old Testament scripture to see if its true. Never take a person who claims to be an Apostle at his word, always take it according to His Word.

But anyway, note in that passage... who blows the Trumpet: The Lord God, aka Jesus.

So, 1 Thessalonians 4, the Olivet Discourse, and Zechariah 9 all have God blowing the trumpet. Not an angel.

but Revelation 11's 7th trumpet... is blown by an angel, not God. They are not the same thing.
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Believers being bullied by other brothers and sisters in Christ.

True. Remember when there was a blurb about politics on the 6 o’clock news which few paid attention to. People were reasonably civilized. Along comes cable news to stir things up, brainwash and create dissent. Finally we have the internet that gave a voice to minorities and the rabble until it is time for another Babel. Eliminate cable and internet and things will calm down once again
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Losing my salvation and anxiety

Please pray for my anxiety, depression and fear of losing my salvation. I keep having anxiety that someone really bad is about to happen and i don't know what to do. I'm scared of could be the holy spirit warning me, or just my brain misfiring. I also need to go back to church but I'm scared of rejection. Please pray for me friends

Open my mouth Lord

Shalom

Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits. (Psalm 103:2)

"Lord Jesus, please direct my heart to honor and praise you, and not to covetousness, and open my mouth to give thanks and praise you from sunrise to sunset in Jesus' name, Amen." (Psalm 51:17)

May the Lord bless you abundantly (Luke 6:38, Job 42:10) and may he bless Israel in Jesus' name, Amen!

Soli Deo Gloria

PS And I pray that the Lord will send out harvesters into his harvest (Matthew 9:38).

Futurist Only Leaving a Rapture note for unbelieving family

Hey, I got convicted today about leaving a Rapture note for my mother who is kind of on the fence about Jesus, so a letter outlining to her what is going to happen in the world if/when a Rapture does occur is necessary. I don't know why I didn't do this earlier. Shame on me.

Of note, today I saw a post about Rapture that I thought was very interesting, so I'll share it now. In Revelation 4:5 it says: From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing

i find it very interesting that the seven lamps (presumably from Rev 2 & 3) are in the throne room BEFORE Tribulation occurs in Revelation. That would seem to indicate that the 7 churches have been taken in Rapture.

okay, on to my note to my mother. Give me feedback and let me know if you've done the same for unbelieving family/friends to help them navigate the perilous trib. Some people may disagree with what i am about to say, but the only response I can give is; desperate times call for desperate measures. I would do anything, at this point, to preserve my mother's soul.

DEAR MOM
If you are reading this, I have disappeared in what we Christians know as "The Rapture." Great evil is about to come upon the Earth soon, if it is not already present. You must leave this world quickly. You cannot take the Mark of the Beast, that will be required for buying amd selling. If you take the Mark, you will burn forever. Do not tell [brother], he will not believe you and will probably encourage you to stay and take the mark. There should be public executions with guillotines. Go and cut your head off, for the sake of Jesus, the only God who is true. If the mark is being enforced without these public execution areas, you must kill yourself instantly by getting into a head-on collision while driving. That is the only way I can think to end your life immediately. You must not take the mark. Die for Jesus and I will see you in Heaven. You were and are a good mother [name]. Do as I say and leave this world soon. DO NOT TAKE THE MARK.

Love your son, [name]
That is loving and very considerate, doing what you can to help or try to help those you love.

In the 1960s and '70s I believed that people would start disappearing, the Lord was going to take them because that's what most churches preached.

In the 1980s I began to do some research to give to a friend concerning the rapture she was curious. And the more I researched the more I was led to the truth. The verses that ministers use to support the pre-tribulation rapture actually don't.
1) 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment in the twinkling of an eye, ""at the last trumpet."" For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[At the last trumpet, this is going to occur at the last trumpet after it sounds. When you go to Revelation 11:15 and read what happens at the sounding of the seventh trumpet, it reads the seven angels sounded and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign forever. Verse 18 tells us that the nations were angry, AND THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,...... When the seventh angel sounds, Jesus is here judgment is here. He is not taking people from Earth and then coming back three and a half years later.

2) 2 Thessalonians 2:1 now we beseech you brothern, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him. Verse 3 - let no man deceive you by any means: for that day ""shall not come,"" except there come a falling away first, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition. [ A falling away in belief in Christ by the church and the revealing of the Antichrist who is the man of sin the son of perdition. There are those who say that Judas was the son of perdition, Judas was dead, already known about, so how can he be revealed.

Matthew 24:40-41 One will be taken and the other left [doesn't mean they will be raptured away pre tribulation. Verses 38/39 tells us that the people didn't know the flood was coming until it came and when it came it was too late. Noah and his family was saved simultaneously with the other people of the world being flooded out.

3) 1 Thessalonians 15-17 for this we say unto you by the word of the lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord [remain, remain from what]. Very 16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and The voice of the archangel, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. [ The Lord will descend, he's coming down, archangel will announce it, and the seventh trumpet will sound. And as the Lord is descending the dead will rise first] verse 17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.... [Remain, from the tribulation, many Christians will be slaughtered. Meeting him in the air as he's coming down we're going up]

As written in the book of Revelations Christians will be beheaded simply meaning killed.
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