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Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

Ok good so you agree with me LOL...the truth hurts lol
You know the difference between mainstream Islam and Islamism and admit that only Islamists define the words you listed as they do, yet you choose to promote the Islamic extremist interpretations of Islam rather than that of mainstream Islam on a public forum. Why would you tell someone that they don't understand things within the context of Islam and then respond to them with anti-Islamic propaganda and an extremist narrative of the religion? What purpose does it serve?
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

"On the podcast of right-wing influencer Benny Johnson on Wednesday, chair of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Brendan Carr said that Kimmel’s words were part of a “concerted effort to try to lie to the American people” and that the FCC was “going to have remedies that we can look at.” “Frankly, when you see stuff like this,” he said, “I mean look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.”

Carr explained: "There's actions we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly, I think that it’s really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say…'We're not gonna run Kimmel anymore...because we licensed broadcasters are running the possibility of fines or license revocation from the FCC.'"

The largest operator of ABC affiliates, Nexstar—which needs FCC approval for a $6.2 billion merger—said it would stop airing Kimmel’s show from its stations. Then ABC suspended Kimmel’s show."

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I pray that in the future, transition surgeries will be viewed with similar horror and disgust as hemiglossectomies were used to treat stuttering and trepanning to treat headaches.
Maybe they will - but if they are, that will mean that we will have found better and more effective treatments.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Sanders calls war in Gaza a ‘genocide’ for the first time

“The truth is, whether you call it genocide or ethnic cleansing or mass atrocities or war crimes, the path forward is clear. We, as Americans, must end our complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people,” the Vermont Independent wrote.

“I recognize that many people may disagree with this conclusion,” Sanders said in an op-ed posted to his website with the title: “It is Genocide.”

In his statement, Sanders cites the death toll in Gaza, referring to figures from the Hamas-controlled government of the Gaza Strip, which does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Sanders also does not mention the GHF, a mechanism supported by the US and Israel that was launched earlier this year to provide aid while preventing it from being diverted to Hamas.

As evidence of the intention to commit genocide, Sanders cites a series of statements by Israeli politicians, including remarks made by the defence minister and the president in the early days of the war, according to which Israel was fighting against ‘human animals’ and ‘an entire nation’ was responsible for the massacre. Both politicians immediately made it clear that they had not called for harm to be done to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.

Much attention is being paid to the fact that Bernie Sanders is Jewish.

In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) conducted a study on anti-Semitism in one hundred countries and entities. The top ten countries, in each of which over 80 per cent of the population holds anti-Semitic views, all belong to the Arab and Muslim world. The "West Bank" and Gaza topped the list with 93 per cent. Despite this fact, Sanders believes that good relations between the United States and Israel should depend on Israel improving its relations with the "Palestinians".

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Sanders goes on to explain that the US should not limit its friendship to Israel alone, but that his country should also seek friendly relations with the most anti-Semitic entity in the world, whose majority party, Hamas, has publicly declared its intention to commit genocide against all Jews. Regarding these plans, perhaps Sanders should first ask Hamas whether it will agree not to assassinate him. He also demanded that "Palestinians" be treated with ‘dignity and respect’. One should ask him why people who promote genocide and incite murder deserve to be treated that way.

Bernie Sanders wants to redirect part of the 3.8 billion US dollars that the United States grants Israel annually in aid, to Gaza for humanitarian purposes. This means nothing less that he wanting to give money to Hamas, an extremist terrorist organisation that would destroy Israel if it could. One wonders what goes on in the minds of such politicians. Although Jewish himself, Sanders would thereby be supporting terrorism against the Jewish population in Israel, in particular the rocket attacks in the border area with Gaza. This one-sided view, particularly among left-wing politicians, can best be described as blindness.

It is HAMAS that is responsible for the inhumane conditions in Gaza, using murder, terror and arbitrary rule against the population, inciting them and calling for constant hatred. Not to mention the fact that UNRWA is also being handsomely rewarded.

However, this ‘humanitarian’ money does not seem to be reaching the population in Gaza.
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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

In case you missed it, the post to which I was responding said this:

"...if I discovered that my party celebrated murdering political opponents too"

The key part here is the celebrating. That noose, and the people chanting around it, absolutely were celebrating the murdering of a political opponent. That the murder was merely anticipated and, arguably, attempted doesn't make this any less of a celebration of murder and political violence.

What murder were they celebrating? You do realize we are talking about celebrating a REAL political assassination correct? A man was ACTUALLY killed. So who was killed?
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THE GREAT CONTROVERSY in Baltimore, Maryland

Interesting. I'd be interested to know, according to your above claim, exactly which doctrine of the SDA church you believe originated with Mrs. White. The vast majority of what SDA's believe, was already believed by millions before them throughout history. According to the teachings of holy scripture of course, and also other Protestants in particular, concerning subjects such as the seventh day sabbath, the state of the dead, Sunday sacredness, and biblical prophecy. The Adventists became Seventh Day Adventists via the testimony of a Seventh Day Baptist who introduced this truth to certain Adventists including Ellen White I do believe, who were instrumental in forming the denomination. The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history. Knowledge of which is much neglected today. Not only because humanities continuing tendency to forget very important lessons of the past which would keep us from making the same mistakes over and over as we do, but also as a matter of intention and design.

If I had the means, I would send a Great Controversy to every home in the nation. It is an excellent source of historical truth in relation to the authentic and verifiable histories of Christian peoples. Which includes prophetic insights we have and continue to see coming to fulfillment in this nation and world. People of course can take it or leave it as they wish. The conviction that people have at least a right to know the truth if they so desire, is what compels many of us to dispense as much truth as possible unto truth's intended end.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

What could be more important to authentic Christianity, than a correct understanding of biblical teaching, and the history of Christ's own in this world? As all will be judged by the truth, as revealed by our Lord and Savior. While many differing claims exist as to just exactly what that truth and history really is. Nevertheless, the holy scriptures warn us -

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
I will start with one example, which is probably one of the primary distinctives of SDA doctrine - THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. As I understand it, it was revealed through Mrs. White as a means of understanding what actually occurred in 1844 or thereabouts with the failure of Jesus Christ to return physically to earth. In order to explain the (non) event she developed a scenario in which Jesus Christ entered into the sanctuary in heaven and commenced THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT.

I am unaware of this doctrine being believed by anyone prior to her prophetic revelation of it. In you can provide evidence of its existence and belief by millions of Christians prior to her prophecy, please do.

Curiously, one of the definitions of a prophet is one who prophesies or foretells future events. If Mrs. White merely taught what had been believed and practiced by millions of Christians before her, then she was not a prophetess, was she?
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DOJ issues subpoenas to NY AG Letitia James, including over Trump civil fraud case and NRA case: Sources

James won her election.
The case was serious.
Trump lost and has to pay damages inflicted on the citizens of NY.
Martin lost his Jan 6th defendant cases.
He failed his nomination.
Trump rewards incompetence and failure.
So here he is.
These "investigations" aren't going anywhere.
See the difference?

Federal probe into Trump foe Letitia James hits a standstill, law enforcement officials say

The mortgage fraud investigation into New York Attorney General Letitia James is at a standstill because federal agents and prosecutors don’t believe they have enough evidence to get a conviction if the case were to go to trial, two senior federal law enforcement officials told NBC News on Wednesday.
A grand jury has been hearing evidence, but so far prosecutors have declined to seek an indictment.
One of those senior officials said “there’s not nearly enough clear and convincing evidence” to show that James knowingly made false statements to a financial institution to get a better mortgage rate for her Virginia home.

They are going to have the same problem with Lisa Cook.
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That's not true. Efforts are also underway to restrict it anywhere the government would have a hand in paying for it:


I don't know the current status of these efforts, but they certainly exist.
I pray that in the future, transition surgeries will be viewed with similar horror and disgust as hemiglossectomies were used to treat stuttering and trepanning to treat headaches.

My point is that I am not arguing that people are not trying to prevent transgender surgeries, there is an active effort to ban them and I hope they do.
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Sound Doctrine... What does that mean?

I can see where you're coming from; and, I have encountered that view, though always lacking any mention of the Greek translation.

While I do appreciate your full scholarly response, I do not see the "free from pathogens/free from destructive things" connection.
Yeah, I agree that is a bit of a stretch. But it is an attempt (awkward as it is) to understand how the one Greek word might have a similar basic meaning when used in different contexts.
Forgive my following, but it seems contrived. It sounds like a philosophized link between two unrelated words, one of them being a vague English word that's meaning is easily manipulated.

It is an interesting thought, but I don't I see that the Greek language has as many words with as many meanings as we see in our various English translations, or just in the English language, itself
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. At one point in time I set out to write a computer program that translated every Greek word in the NT using only one English word for each instance of the same Greek word. But I gave up on that project at some point. Are you suggesting that something like that is appropriate?
I did thoroughly enjoy reading your entire response. Your research is well done, and formatted intelligently.
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I usually go by: "You are transgender if you have a stronger affinity to your mental construct of some other gender than to the one commonly associated with your sex." It is is perhaps not perfect, but I find it useful. It also allows us to talk about gender outside of sex, which for some are not connected.

What does stronger affinity to some other gender mean? What other gender? If you are a biological male What other gender would you have a stronger affinity to?
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Take a stand on political violence

Just to make sure this doesn't stand unchallenged, I'll voice the standard objection. Trans and gay people do not pose a danger to children merely by virtue of their trans/gay status. I understand if your church does not permit trans or gay members; that's a common policy that many churches follow. But please do not slander their character.
It is not meant to be a slander of their character as such, and I know homosexuals that can be trusted with children. Personally, I think that trans-people are less than mentally stable, like people who express it in other ways. It is more like “town characters.” They might be harmless, but a wise parent will teach their children to avoid contact with them. Children should not be taught to hate them in any way, but children should be shielded until they are mature enough to start to understand them. They should keep purity of thought as long as possible. It is no different than rating movies for certain ages.
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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

That's a very interesting article that I enjoyed reading but has nothing to do with my thread.

I keep writing about focusing on my job and taking care of people like my disabled mother and putting my engine project on hold indefinitely.

The two men in that article have clearly let their imagination run wild, lost touch with reality, and nearly destroyed their lives.
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Charlie Finds Our Wound

Oh but of course, the saints on earth as there is nothing unrighteous in heaven. (Rev. 18:7)
Percicly, we know those who are with Jesus Christ of Nazareth have been made perfect in Him. Those in the flesh must stay on course.
Blessings
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

Me either, but it has seemed to have done irreparable damage. :(
The pandemic brought significant changes globally, affecting the economy, lifestyles, perspectives, daily relationships, and our understanding of what is important. However, most people expected that the end of the pandemic would mean an immediate return to pre-pandemic life, which is a rather shortsighted perspective and does not reflect historical precedent. Major world events such as World War I, World War II, the Black Death, the Great Depression, or even the recession in 2008 took decades, sometimes centuries, for societies to recover fully. Even then, with new forms of normality, the world inevitably changed.
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The concerning part of that transcript is that there's a kid saying that some differences "can’t be negotiated out".

Everything can be negotiated out with enough time and patience.

....exactly.

Why did this young man think negotiation was not an option? Instant gratification may be part of it...
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Water and metabolism of humans

Is it true that the water we consume possibly passed through countless humans and animals since it's being recycled over and over again?
Certainly.

The usual example is about air molecules rather than water, but...

In fact, calculating the probability of a particle of Caesar’s dying breath appearing in any given liter of air (the volume of a deep breath) has become a classic exercise for chemistry and physics students. If you make a few assumptions about the mixing of gases and the lifetimes of molecules in the atmosphere, it turns out that, on average, one molecule of “Caesar air” — or any other historic liter of air, for that matter — appears in each breath you take.

So it's not just 'countless humans', but any/every specific human, and not even throughout their lifetime, but one of their breaths and one of your breaths.
Atoms are very very smol.
Also, human beings create water via our metabolism. Is that also consumed?
Water is water.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

All of that is completely aside from what the state can do to you if just holding various ideas means you are part of a legally designated "terrorist organization".
No. You may not be part of a terrorist organization. But spreading the ideology that attracts people to the terrorist organizations and their cause. For example, you may not be a member of ISIS, but if you are teaching radical Islam in your mosque and spreading ISIS propaganda, you are implicitly promoting their ideology and encouraging their recruitment efforts.
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