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Not wanting to see Facebook or YouTube. The amount of hate and evil being spewed is too much for me. Want to just lock my doors and study the Word.
I just deactivated my Facebook account and feel good about it.
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Lost tribes of Israel

The question that concerns many today is: Is Israel, especially Judah, still YHVH's people? With all the corruption that can be seen in Israel and the behavior of many Jews in the land of Israel. We need to clarify the terms Israel, the tribe of Judah, and the Jews.

Let us go back to the beginning, when YHVH gave Abram the promise of the land. Once again, the first promise Abram received was that of the land!

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came. And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Gen 12:1-7

Abram traveled through the lower Jordan Valley, but halfway there he turned toward Tirzah, a valley that winds up the hills of Samaria and surrounds Elon More, a high, round peak overlooking biblical Shechem (now Nablus). Here Abraham pitched his tent and explored the land in all directions (see Gen 12:6).

Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD. Gen 13:18

At that time, he settled the disputes between his shepherds and those of his nephew Lot. They divided the land between them. Lot chose the lush Jordan Valley near Jericho and lived among the corrupt inhabitants of Sodom. Later, Abram led his flocks to Gerar, near Gaza (see Gen 20:1), and finally to Beersheba (see Gen 22:19). In this land with its dry climate, which Elohim had promised him, Abram settled by water sources, pitched his tents on the heights, and built altars to Elohim.

But who was Abram?

Abram was not a Jew, and neither was Jacob.

Abram was a Hebrew, but not a Jew. Jacob was Israel and a Hebrew, but not a Jew. Abraham or Abram (his birth name) was called a Hebrew because he was a Hebrew:

And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram Gen 14:13

Who are the Hebrews?

Abram was a Hebrew because he was descended from the line of Heber (or Eber). The Hebrew word is ibri, which means “the region beyond” or, as Joshua noted, “the other side”

And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD G-d of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other g-ds. Joshua 24:2

First this term refers to Abraham and identifies people who "crossed over" from the "other side" of a significant geographical feature, like the Euphrates River.

But how else can we understand the expression "the other side"?

Abram believed in the one Elohim, while the rest of the world worshipped g-ds created by humans. So Abraham stood on one side, and the whole world stood on the other. Ibri is therefore someone who stands in contrast to everyone else, on the other side and different from everyone else. Abram was a lone believer in a sea of idol worshippers. And YHVH's promise,

I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: Gen 12:3a

applies to a Hebrew.

The father of our faith, who abandoned all idol worship and worshipped only the one Elohim and entered into a covenant with him. That is, blessed are all those who walk in line with Abraham. That is, as Hebrews, as those who have left the other side of idol worship, living in covenant with YHVH.

Through the promise to Isaac's son, YHVH set in motion a plan that would bring forth a great nation, and He repeated this incredible promise to Abraham's son Isaac:

Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Gen 26:3-4

And once again, Elohim reaffirmed his promise to Isaac's son Jacob:

And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Gen 28:14

Later, YHVH changed Jacob's name to Israel. Through Jacob's 12 sons, this promise became reality. We note again here that all 12 sons are descended from Hebrews. But each of Jacob's 12 sons has a story that forms the framework of his tribe. Together, these tribes form the great nation of Israel. Like most families, these stories contain the raw material and sin of human life. But thank Elohim, His promises always endure. The hope of the whole world for salvation is found in YHVH's plan, which is carried out by stubborn Israel.

These 12 tribes left Egypt in unity with the foreigners. They all received the Torah on Mount Sinai. And for all of them, natives and foreigners alike, the same law applied and still applies. It was only later, after Solomon's death, that the 12 tribes were divided into two houses, Judah and Benjamin on one side and the remaining ten tribes on the other, forming the House of Israel.

Back to the Hebrew Abraham.

The first thing YHVH promised Abram was that He would show him the land to which he should go. The promise of the land was given to a Hebrew and his descendants.

Who lived in the land at that time?

The Canaanites already lived in the land. Canaan was the son of Ham, a grandson of Noah, and the progenitor of the Canaanites. Noah said to him,

Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen 9:25

Abraham was a descendant of Shem, who, according to tradition, was a righteous servant of Elohim. This contrast gives us insight into great spiritual truths when we want to take possession of what YHVH promises us and a g-dless people also lays claim to it. The peoples mentioned in the Bible, the Amorites, Jebusites, Girgashites, Hittites, etc., were possibly Canaanite shepherds who lived mainly in the mountainous region of the land. At the same time, the coastal plain was settled by the Philistines, who were descended from Japheth and were mostly farmers and seafarers. Israel repeatedly fought against the Canaanites and Philistines for supremacy in the Promised Land.

Abram obediently followed Elohim's call, left his homeland, and courageously moved to an unknown land. The journey was full of difficulties and challenges, but it brought him great blessings and prosperity and made him the “father of faith.”

To this day, the people of Israel, that is, the 12 tribes and those who are grafted in, must answer the fundamental question of how they deal with the eternal covenant between them and their Elohim and the associated promise of eternal possession of the whole land of Canaan.

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a G-d unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their G-d. Gen 17:7-8

The 12 sons, and thus the 12 tribes, were given different tasks and promises. Here we will only discuss the house of Judah as an example.

Judah, Jacob's fourth son, also born to Leah, is known for protecting his younger brothers. Although Judah participated in the joint plan to get rid of Joseph, he convinced his brothers not to kill him (see Gen 37). Later, he also protected Benjamin (see Gen 44). But Judah is perhaps best known for his esteemed place in the genealogy of the Messiah.

In Genesis 49:8-12, Jacob pronounced a long and significant blessing over Judah. This blessing contains the prophecy that Jesus will be born through the line of Judah (see verse 10):

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh (the peaceful one) come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Gen 49:10

And Jesus said to the Samaritan woman

for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22b

Let us look next at the promises made to the House of Judah and how they have been stolen over the centuries and continue to be stolen to this day.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

Part I

The indissoluble connection of civil and ecclesiastical affairs has compelled, and encouraged, me to relate the progress, the persecutions, the establishment, the divisions, the final triumph, and the gradual corruption, of Christianity. I have purposely delayed the consideration of two religious events, interesting in the study of human nature, and important in the decline and fall of the Roman empire. I. The institution of the monastic life; and, II. The conversion of the northern Barbarians.

I.
Prosperity and peace introduced the distinction of the vulgar and the Ascetic Christians. The loose and imperfect practice of religion satisfied the conscience of the multitude. The prince or magistrate, the soldier or merchant, reconciled their fervent zeal, and implicit faith, with the exercise of their profession, the pursuit of their interest, and the indulgence of their passions:but the Ascetics, who obeyed and abused the rigid precepts of the gospel, were inspired by the savage enthusiasm which represents man as a criminal, and God as a tyrant. They seriously renounced the business, and the pleasures, of the age; abjured the use of wine, of flesh, and of marriage; chastised their body, mortified their affections, and embraced a life of misery, as the price of eternal happiness. In the reign of Constantine, the Ascetics fled from a profane and degenerate world, to perpetual solitude, or religious society. Like the first Christians of Jerusalem, they resigned the use, or the property of their temporal possessions; established regular communities of the same sex, and a similar disposition; and assumed the names of Hermits, Monks, and Anachorets, expressive of their lonely retreat in a natural or artificial desert. They soon acquired the respect of the world, which they despised; and the loudest applause was bestowed on this Divine Philosophy, which surpassed, without the aid of science or reason, the laborious virtues of the Græcian schools. The monks might indeed contend with the Stoics, in the contempt of fortune, of pain, and of death: the Pythagorean silence and submission were revived in their servile discipline; and they disdained, as firmly as the Cynics themselves, all the forms and decencies of civil society. But the votaries of this Divine Philosophy aspired to imitate a purer and more perfect model. They trod in the footsteps of the prophets, who had retired to the desert; and they restored the devout and contemplative life, which had been instituted by the Essenians, in Palestine and Egypt. The philosophic eye of Pliny had surveyed with astonishment a solitary people, who dwelt among the palm-trees near the Dead Sea; who subsisted without money, who were propagated without women; and who derived from the disgust and repentance of mankind a perpetual supply of voluntary associates.

Egypt, the fruitful parent of superstition, afforded the first example of the monastic life. Antony, an illiterate youth of the lower parts of Thebaïs, distributed his patrimony, deserted his family and native home, and executed his monastic penance with original and intrepid fanaticism. After a long and painful novitiate, among the tombs, and in a ruined tower, he boldly advanced into the desert three days’ journey to the eastward of the Nile; discovered a lonely spot, which possessed the advantages of shade and water, and fixed his last residence on Mount Colzim, near the Red Sea; where an ancient monastery still preserves the name and memory of the saint. The curious devotion of the Christians pursued him to the desert; and when he was obliged to appear at Alexandria, in the face of mankind, he supported his fame with discretion and dignity. He enjoyed the friendship of Athanasius, whose doctrine he approved; and the Egyptian peasant respectfully declined a respectful invitation from the emperor Constantine. The venerable patriarch (for Antony attained the age of one hundred and five years) beheld the numerous progeny which had been formed by his example and his lessons. The prolific colonies of monks multiplied with rapid increase on the sands of Libya, upon the rocks of Thebaïs, and in the cities of the Nile. To the south of Alexandria, the mountain, and adjacent desert, of Nitria, were peopled by five thousand anachorets; and the traveller may still investigate the ruins of fifty monasteries, which were planted in that barren soil by the disciples of Antony. In the Upper Thebaïs, the vacant island of Tabenne, was occupied by Pachomius and fourteen hundred of his brethren. That holy abbot successively founded nine monasteries of men, and one of women; and the festival of Easter sometimes collected fifty thousand religious persons, who followed his angelic rule of discipline. The stately and populous city of Oxyrinchus, the seat of Christian orthodoxy, had devoted the temples, the public edifices, and even the ramparts, to pious and charitable uses; and the bishop, who might preach in twelve churches, computed ten thousand females and twenty thousand males, of the monastic profession. The Egyptians, who gloried in this marvellous revolution, were disposed to hope, and to believe, that the number of the monks was equal to the remainder of the people; and posterity might repeat the saying, which had formerly been applied to the sacred animals of the same country, That in Egypt it was less difficult to find a god than a man.

Athanasius introduced into Rome the knowledge and practice of the monastic life; and a school of this new philosophy was opened by the disciples of Antony, who accompanied their primate to the holy threshold of the Vatican. The strange and savage appearance of these Egyptians excited, at first, horror and contempt, and, at length, applause and zealous imitation. The senators, and more especially the matrons, transformed their palaces and villas into religious houses; and the narrow institution of six vestals was eclipsed by the frequent monasteries, which were seated on the ruins of ancient temples, and in the midst of the Roman forum. Inflamed by the example of Antony, a Syrian youth, whose name was Hilarion, fixed his dreary abode on a sandy beach, between the sea and a morass, about seven miles from Gaza. The austere penance, in which he persisted forty-eight years, diffused a similar enthusiasm; and the holy man was followed by a train of two or three thousand anachorets, whenever he visited the innumerable monasteries of Palestine. The fame of Basil is immortal in the monastic history of the East. With a mind that had tasted the learning and eloquence of Athens; with an ambition scarcely to be satisfied with the archbishopric of Cæsarea, Basil retired to a savage solitude in Pontus; and deigned, for a while, to give laws to the spiritual colonies which he profusely scattered along the coast of the Black Sea. In the West, Martin of Tours, a soldier, a hermit, a bishop, and a saint, established the monasteries of Gaul; two thousand of his disciples followed him to the grave; and his eloquent historian challenges the deserts of Thebaïs to produce, in a more favorable climate, a champion of equal virtue. The progress of the monks was not less rapid, or universal, than that of Christianity itself. Every province, and, at last, every city, of the empire, was filled with their increasing multitudes; and the bleak and barren isles, from Lerins to Lipari, that arose out of the Tuscan Sea, were chosen by the anachorets for the place of their voluntary exile. An easy and perpetual intercourse by sea and land connected the provinces of the Roman world; and the life of Hilarion displays the facility with which an indigent hermit of Palestine might traverse Egypt, embark for Sicily, escape to Epirus, and finally settle in the Island of Cyprus. The Latin Christians embraced the religious institutions of Rome. The pilgrims, who visited Jerusalem, eagerly copied, in the most distant climates of the earth, the faithful model of the monastic life. The disciples of Antony spread themselves beyond the tropic, over the Christian empire of Æthiopia. The monastery of Banchor, in Flintshire, which contained above two thousand brethren, dispersed a numerous colony among the Barbarians of Ireland; and Iona, one of the Hebrides, which was planted by the Irish monks, diffused over the northern regions a doubtful ray of science and superstition.(The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 4, Chap. 37, pgs. 3 - 9 of the Everyman's Library edition)

The spread of fanaticism amidst an increasingly unbiblical form of Christianity. Instead of being called by God to separate from society, or doing so in order to survive persecution as true prophets of God had, misguided and or the scripturally unlearned voluntarily completely separated themselves from the rest of humanity. Creating an exact opposite effect of the gospel commission embraced and taught by our Lord and the apostles themselves regarding evangelism and or Christian witness, by way of holy living with and among the various societies of humanity.

Even when authentic Christianity hid in order to escape persecution, secret evangelistic efforts into dangerous areas was eagerly pursued. Authentic Christianity cannot abandon the gospel commission.
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Dear progressives, it's your turn to apologize

The piece did not do that. It talks about those that ruin it for a whole group of people that are good people. But you are free to disagree. Opinions are just that, opinions.
The Slanderer is saying bad things about others without proof.

This isn't God talking --> "For years, the Left has tightened the noose around free speech, punishing dissenters, reporting neighbors, threatening livelihoods, even lives, for the crime of calling a man a man. And now? Now you want to posture as defenders of open discourse. Really? Where were you?

And here’s the bitter irony: even as conservatives grieve, even as we bury our dead, your late-night court jesters use our wounds as punchlines. Jimmy Kimmel’s “primary job” is to entertain, to unite audiences in laughter. Instead, he exploited a brutal murder to insult half the country. Tell me: what other job in America allows you to spit in your customers’ faces while they’re mourning and still keep your paycheck?"
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Monastics and vegetarianism

Isn't there also a poverty aspect to it? I've picked up that we fast from the things we do as they were seen as luxuries.

It's always seemed odd that we can have as much sugar as we like, but not a coffee with milk - it was explained to me that when fasting rules came about, sugar wasn't a commodity, so there's no rules about it. Still, I make efforts not to overuse that allowance.
We should be eating simple food, although there are some delicious fasting recipes. I believe part of the mentality is that the money saved can then be used for almsgiving.
Lobster is technically fasting food, but as it is now considered a luxury item, eating it would not be in the spirit of the fast. Olive oil and wine are historically restricted during fasts because they have traditionally been served in wineskins made from cattle hides.
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Judge strikes down Trump’s $15 billion suit against the New York Times

"A federal judge in Tampa struck down President Donald Trump’s $15 billion defamation lawsuit against the New York Times, saying that the 85-page complaint was “decidedly improper and impermissible” under the rules governing civil proceedings in federal court."

U.S. District Judge Steven D. Merryday wrote:

“In this action, a prominent American citizen (perhaps the most prominent American citizen) alleges defamation by a prominent American newspaper publisher (perhaps the most prominent American newspaper publisher) and by several other corporate and natural persons,” he wrote. “Alleging only two simple counts of defamation, the complaint consumes eighty-five pages. Count I appears on page eighty, and Count II appears on page eighty-three.”

...the first Count appears on page eighty?

The judge said every lawyer should know that a complaint is not a “public forum for vituperation and invective” nor a “megaphone for public relations or a podium for a passionate oration at a political rally or the functional equivalent of the Hyde Park Speakers’ Corner.”


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Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

And another amazing statistic--in urban areas, only 19% of people own guns, far less than in rural areas.
I'm not surprised at all. In rural areas, I would expect almost everyone to have a gun for hunting or for dealing with animals near their secluded homes. Obviously, these uses are much more relevant in rural areas.
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French President Macron Files Lawsuit Against Candace Owens for Repeatedly Claiming His Wife Is a Man

People usually don't sue to prove something that ought to be self-evident. I wouldn't sue someone who claims I am a woman when I know what I am. Seems ever more likely Macron's wife may be his husband?
And if they chose to ignore Candice, then people would be saying it must be true she’s a man because they haven’t countered the rumors.
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Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

Soo many years hey? According to what exactly. You have some data to fill that in? You me think what, 4 protests over 20-30 years?

Keep in my mind I'm talking about data....not just "I remember protests"

As I pointed out in another thread right wingers are more likely to murder lefties. Them lefties proteat about some of those murders and you don't like that.
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Charlie Kirk - Martyr or Political Activist?

More controversial viewpoints:
1. He put a religious filter on immigration, saying people of false religions should not be allowed into the country. But he inconsistently applied this to Hispanic catholics, even though married to a catholic.
2. His views on COVID were unscientific and false
3. His view on the Ukraine war lacked geopolitical awareness of its significance to US national interest.
4. His view on global warming (that it was mainly not manmade) was scientifically false.
5. He and his family made considerable amounts of money out of his activism which provides questions about his actual motives.
6. He repeated the Big Lie that Trump peddled about the stolen election:

A bit of inconsistency here: the author views these positions as controversial and in the same breath uses words like "false" and "lies" to describe them!
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

What proof is there that the decision to suspend Jimmy Kimmel’s show was made by the Executive Branch via the FCC?

The circumstantial events are, well, overwhelming. We'll see if a lawsuit is filed to "prove" the case in court based on the evidence.
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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

Unless pedophilia becomes normalized. Which, looking at the direction of the slippery slope, will be on the progressive agenda whether we want to believe it or not.
Back to the Epstein files to see who the real pedophiles are. If only they would release them.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

The persecution of the Donatists was an event not less favorable to the designs of Genseric. Seventeen years before he landed in Africa, a public conference was held at Carthage, by the order of the magistrate. The Catholics were satisfied, that, after the invincible reasons which they had alleged, the obstinacy of the schismatics must be inexcusable and voluntary; and the emperor Honorius was persuaded to inflict the most rigorous penalties on a faction which had so long abused his patience and clemency. Three hundred bishops, with many thousands of the inferior clergy, were torn from their churches, stripped of their ecclesiastical possessions, banished to the islands, and proscribed by the laws, if they presumed to conceal themselves in the provinces of Africa. Their numerous congregations, both in cities and in the country, were deprived of the rights of citizens, and of the exercise of religious worship. A regular scale of fines, from ten to two hundred pounds of silver, was curiously ascertained, according to the distinction of rank and fortune, to punish the crime of assisting at a schismatic conventicle; and if the fine had been levied five times, without subduing the obstinacy of the offender, his future punishment was referred to the discretion of the Imperial court. By these severities, which obtained the warmest approbation of St. Augustin, great numbers of Donatists were reconciled to the Catholic Church; but the fanatics, who still persevered in their opposition, were provoked to madness and despair; the distracted country was filled with tumult and bloodshed; the armed troops of Circumcellions alternately pointed their rage against themselves, or against their adversaries; and the calendar of martyrs received on both sides a considerable augmentation. Under these circumstances, Genseric, a Christian, but an enemy of the orthodox communion, showed himself to the Donatists as a powerful deliverer, from whom they might reasonably expect the repeal of the odious and oppressive edicts of the Roman emperors.The conquest of Africa was facilitated by the active zeal, or the secret favor, of a domestic faction; the wanton outrages against the churches and the clergy of which the Vandals are accused, may be fairly imputed to the fanaticism of their allies; and the intolerant spirit which disgraced the triumph of Christianity, contributed to the loss of the most important province of the West. (The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 3, Chap. 33, pgs. 379 & 80 of the Everyman's Library edition)

Intolerance and inhumanity of professed “Christians” towards each other, exercised all the more deviantly and successfully when church and state are amalgamated. Which amalgamation is exactly what Roman Catholic hierarchy still strive toward to date. As easily ascertained in an examination of recent papal Encyclicals and Doctrinal notes.

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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

I'm not aware of that being the case for Roseanne...
Right - that was the point.
However, in an interesting turn of events, Jimmy Kimmel getting the boot from ABC happened on the 24 year anniversary of Bill Maher getting the boot from ABC. (Maher got in trouble on September 17th, 2001)

That one wasn't without controversy either due to the fact that the perception was that Maher's removal was due to political pressure from the party that was in power. You had congressmen indirectly calling for boycotts, and the (then) press secretary, Ari Fleisher, made that comment publicly about "Bill Maher should watch what he says" which fueled speculation that the removal of "Politically Incorrect" was due to politics.

And the show that replaced Politically Incorrect on the network after it was cancelled?... Jimmy Kimmel Live!... the very same one that just got the boot on September 17th, 2025.

Just thought those were interesting "factoids"
That is, indeed, an interesting coincidence.
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Congress passes resolutions condemning Charlie Kirk's murder, political violence

"Ninety-five House Democrats voted for the resolution, accounting for just under half of the House Democratic Caucus. Meanwhile, 58 Democrats voted against the resolution and 38 voted “present.” The remaining 22 did not vote. "

118 elected representatives can't even agree on condemning Charlie Kirk's murder and political violence!
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Dear progressives, it's your turn to apologize

I think the op is self explanatory. It’s an opinion piece so you are free to disagree
We should all know how the devil works in people's minds, to turn brother against brother. It's reasoning upon a false premise to expect an apology from people who had nothing to do with Charlie Kirks shooting. It's slanderous to insinuate they did. People need to ask themselves which spirit they are listening to in their minds and what character of person is knocking on the door of their heart.

To follow Christ is to carry a cross and forgive those who would crucify you.
To follow the devil is to accuse and believe and spread slander about others.
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Empathy

I don't know for sure what Mr. Kirk intended, but there have been some recent books by conservative Evangelicals on the topic of empathy: "The Sin of Empathy: Compassion and its Counterfeits", by Joe Rigney, and "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion", by Allie Beth Stuckey. I suspect Kirk may have had one or both of them in mind. I'm not going to be able to summarize their viewpoint fairly (I know I will end up caricaturing them, so I will refrain), but here are two relevant articles.

1) Albert Mohler interviews Joe Rigney. Note that both are favorable to the anti-empathy point of view.

2) An article from the AP, posted on PBS's website. This author is more impartial, but I think the writer is trying to be fair.
I think the idea of "hate the sin love the sinner" gets a lot more complex if you think empathy if a sin.

Frankly I don't quite understand it. I've always thought secular gay folk really dont care too much if conservatives think being gay is a sin. I think the peoblem is that they've always thought that they deserved equal rights under the law and want to be treated with respect. We can be empathetic to them in so much as many people treat them as lesser becsuse Christians have felt that way before.

Empathy does not necessarily mean condoning anything.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

That doesn't make it illegal. He's the commander in chief. Its legal unless prohibited.
There is no law against a policeman pulling you over, but a policeman needs a legal basis to pull you over.

The War Powers Act sets limits on the presidential use of military force.
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Pray Col 4:6"speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt" because Jn 1:17"grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ"

Before, I begin, I have to state that it is horrifying & sad to hear about the killing of Charlie Kirk, and we should pray for all those affected by his death especially his family members.

However, Mr. Kirk who claimed to be a Christian made some inflammatory statements in the past that would certainly enrage people especially when it came to race. Essentially, some of Mr. Kirk's statements and comments go against Col 4:6"speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt" because Jn 1:17"grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ":

( Credited Reference: Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ )
How difficult it can be to speak honestly and openly with grace. Even Jesus spoke harshly when needed. But he is the Lord and we should not presume such harshness for ourselves. I think better role models would be Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi. Maybe today, Maria Ressa & Dali Lama. Or who?
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Senate passes resolution for 'National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk' for Oct. 14th (Kirk's birthday)

Actually, more like MLK, Jr. Lennon wasn't shot for singing "Imagine there's no countries..."
No but also Charlie Kirk wasn’t leading a social reform effort comparable to the civil rights movement.
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