Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?
- By stevevw
- American Politics
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Then you don't understand how culture develops and changes. Its not a case of once there was the church and Christian norms and values and then next theres secular values and norms.
This is a long process, a gradual chipping away at the old and engineering the new beliefs and values according to a new foundation that is without God. It began with the 60's revolutions like the sexual revolution, womens liberation and feminism.
It moved into the institutions and became the critical theories which formed the basis for the new religion of Wokism and PC and Trans and DEI and all that which goes into making up the replacement values and beliefs that the church and Christianity once occupied. Do you think that a society can function without this belief and religion void being filled and replaced by an alternative one.
Do you think the State can be biased against Christian beliefs and morals. Like we have seen with individuals and organisations being descriminated for their Christians beliefs. For example if a Christian organisation only wanted to adopt to traditional couples.
I don't care how it spread. People say all sorts of things but its not reality. I am asking you what the verse means. Are you saying that this means Christ supported taking up arms.
Lol, its about commiting violence against opponents because they disagree. This is a moral issue and the most obvious connection to morality is religion. Is ethical systems or a belief about how the world should be ordered. Its fundementally the same as religious belief. Whatever belief system that replaces religion will act in everyway like that religion.
We see in in the ideology pushed which demand people say the right words, behave in a certain way, not associate with certain identities and be morally outraged over certain identities who hold the wrong beliefs. Everybit like a religion lol.
Really. Do you remember Woke. It was very much like a religion. Still in in its other personificationsl. Humans are religious creatures and we cannot have a society without some form of religious basis for meaning and morality.
Sure looks like bending the knee to some higher authority that is about morality and how we should order society. We seen cancelations, deplatforming, people losing jobs for saying the wrong words, witch hunts and exposing people for little indiscretions decades ago, Mee Too, BLM, Celebs virtue signalling. Give me a break. Its all religious. Its just disguised as political correctness.
Whats at the foundation of politics. Is this about morals or how we should order society and the world. The political became the personal and spiritual long ago. Thats why now according to many that simply holding the opposing view is enough to disown and wish harm on them. Thats more than politics.
Do you honestly think the rise in antisemetism, hate, division, violence is just politics. It seems more life and death than that. Like the enermy is satan himself and must be stopped otherwise democracy and the world will end lol.
I have lol. If you can just make two word claims so can I. We could go on and on if you want.
No your arguing with me because I mention that the Left is commiting violence. I said both sides commit violence and its the Left who are rising in the violence right now with their rhetoric and actions. You don't like that I pointed this out.
This is still fallacious reasoning. It is common practice fullstop that we look at the history leading up to understand the present. Whether thats a culture or individual.
It cannot be wrong because it is actually Americans who are saying this. Expert analysis. But sometimes its also better that an independent outsider can give a more balanced view as they are not caught up in the biases of each side. We analysis the IRA situation and we learn from the history of how it got out of hand. We learn from the history of war. Well hopefully we do. But we constantly delve into the history of how it happened.
Hum when you give stereotypical and constant negative views I am not sure. Never a positive and always a negative.
Even this explanation shows the lack of understanding and stereotypical ideas about religious belief. People did not rush to change religion because they did not blame the religion. You can't seem to fathom that despite the abuses this did not make the belief itself wrong. It just meant some bad actors breached their own religion.
You can't even contemplate that there were good people or that those who may have allowed this to happen can still be Christians and make amends and do better. You have to have a complete collapse to satify that they have learnt. Which shows the unreality of the way Christians are seen.
If then the majority of good then why would people abandon a good religion.
No one is saying there needs to be a religious forced society. That was tried years ago and failed. The point is whats come in its place is like a religious forced society while not having a religion. Its hypocracy to then call out bad religions from a place thats doing the same.
Why are people committing violence. Why are they morally outraged that they would want to destroy property or harm and even want the opponents cancelled. Is this not moral outrage. About right and wrong and good and evil. Thats all religion is. We are fundementally religious and moral creatures.
No it does not have a unified belief in morality and how society and the world should be ordered. It is a battle or ideologies about morality and how the world is and should be ordered. That automatically brings religion and Christianity in. Listen to the rhetoric about Christian white nationalism being touted. If it wasn't about religion and Christianity the language sure sounds like it.
Yes this was the other side of the coin. The abuses of the church and power. What we see today is the extreme end result of that. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The church abused and it was rejected and pushed to the fringes. Then the new religious ideologies were cultivated to fill the void.
Why did they put on their money, "in God we Trust" as a nation. There must have been a national consciousness about God in society and as a nation at one point to even consider this. Its more or less saying we trust God over money. God is the supreme being in Americans belief.
Did not the US like most other western nations only support traditional marriage, anti abortion and homosexuality, frowned on sex before marriage, teen pregnacies ect. Was this not based on Christian values. Now these have changed and are no longer the dominant norms. Did not Christianity spread from the cross into the Roman Empire and into the west to become the dominant belief as opposed to Islam or Hindu ect. Maybe I was living on another planet.
Do you think that a society can realistically allow different beliefs and ideologies to co exist with equal rights. Won't one groups rights breach anothers in applying those rights.
For example say both the secular ideology and Christian belief were the basis for a new adoption agency. Each wanted equal status in using their beliefs as the basis for policy in adopting. Christians only adopting to traditional marriages and parents. Secular ideology having LGBTIQ+ friendly policies.
Do you think both would have the same rights to exist in the public square. Would each cause conflicts with each other and lead to division and trouble between them.
Being killed is the extreme end. But certainly we have seen a glut of cancellations, lives destroyed witch hunts on those who have said the wrong thing or held the wrong beliefs. Its there is the real life situations.
After a decade or more of this cancellation mentality for just holding opposing beliefs its not a surprise that things are becoming violent. If people believe that someone is denying them their rights and freedoms and they believe the opposing view is a threat and hateful. What do you think the end result would be if people really believed that there was an imminent threat.
Just more evidence of how outdated and stereotypical you views are on this.
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