Fervent said:

Yeah, though there can be a time when offending someone serves a pastoral purpose. Possibly to shock someone who is prideful, such as how Jesus called the pharisees "sons of the devil' and "sons of vipers" because of their religious chauvenism and their failure to attend to the basic duties that they were put into their offices to do like ensuring that the vulnerable members of society received care.

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Indeed. Scripture is much more nuanced than many assume these days.

Tuur said:

Again, no. Clearly you don't believe me, but have seen otherwise. Have talked to people face-to-face who felt otherwise. Have seen someone paint support for Trump across the roof of their barn. And just last Thursday, noticed one home flying a Trump flag and another nearby it with a fresh Trump sign out front.

You dislike Trump. I get that. This is CF, so it's on-brand for most to oppose any Republican. I get that, too. Know that this isn't universal. You can believe it; disbelieve it; call me a liar; or call it whatever.

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I don’t think you’re lying when you say you know Trump fans. I know quite a few in my personal life as well and that’s over here in liberal LA.

That doesn’t mean he isn’t an unpopular president. His poor approval ratings, the fact he’s lost the popular vote twice and when he did win it was by a 1.5% margin over another very unpopular candidate. Idk what you’re trying to defend here. The guy is just not likable.

eclipsenow said:

Israel killed more than the Hamas attack in the West Bank over the last decade.

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Not without reason and the wave of attacks against Jews continues unabated.

iluvatar5150 said:

Oh? Which news outlets? Got any links?

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The ones I watch.

2Cor3:6-11

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

What was done away? The ministration of death, written and engraved on stones, the Ten Commandments.

Why is it some worry about how to observe a day that has been done away?

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ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE LANDFALLS ON RECORD IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN...

Melissa has made landfall in southwestern Jamaica near New Hope with estimated maximum sustained winds of 185 mph (295 km/h) and an estimated minimum central pressure of 892 mb (26.34 inches).

Vanellus said:

On Wednesday, an official with the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) described the “sheer devastation” that he witnessed on his most recent travel to Gaza, saying that there is no such thing as a “normal birth in Gaza now”.

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The Islamist movement, instead of prioritizing the integrity of the "Palestinian" people, repeatedly provides Israel with pretexts to devastate the Gaza Strip.

stevevw said:

It came from a video from under the Stepped pyramid. At around the 4.20 minute mark. There are a number like this. Some with strirations on the walls like the other one linked. Most of the time the strirations have been polished out but some are fully or partly left.

Chris King (Part 4) – Ancient Technology Podcast

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And this is why I keep saying context matters: if you keep getting pictures from unconfirmed sources, there's no way for anyone else to validate it outside of an obviously biased source. No-one gets a chance to double-check the evidence themselves.

Hans Blaster said:

Who took the photo?

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It came from a video from under the Stepped pyramid. At around the 4.20 minute mark. There are a number like this. Some with strirations on the walls like the other one linked. Most of the time the strirations have been polished out but some are fully or partly left.

Chris King (Part 4) – Ancient Technology Podcast

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

If this is true, then you proved yourself wrong because your OP's contention is that the grammar dictates the chronology you like (i.e., that faith comes after the second birth), but now you say chronology is not indicated.

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No, the OP does not make any contention about temporal sequence. In fact, I specifically said in the OP that "this does not ... deny the simultaneous experience of these realities in human perception." The key point is that John's grammar expresses logical priority.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

But even if you are right that the participle should be considered as present tense, there is nothing in the verse to indicate that believing (in the present) did not start in the past. So, since I believe right now, I am born again. But I believed yesterday also. And the day before. And last year. And a decade ago. According to 1 John 5:1a, when did I start believing and when was I born again? If you are right, it doesn't address that at all.

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Correct, "when" is not the issue. John's point expresses a logical relationship, not a chronological sequence. The argument is not that believing "did not start in the past." The argument is that believing -- whenever it begins -- presupposes being born again as its logical cause. The one characterized as "the believing one" is so because he "has been born of God." That's what the grammar of the text is conveying.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

How do your principles of grammar rearrange the sequence of events to place believing after salvation in the following passages:

1. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13),
2. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” 14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? (Ro 10:13–15), and
3. For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Co 1:21)

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Where have I argued for "believing after salvation"?

Your examples reflect a misunderstanding of the argument in the OP. Each of these verses uses aorists to describe events in experience or outward sequence, not gnomic statements employing a perfect passive indicative. The semantic core of the perfect tense in Greek denotes a completed past action with abiding results (think γέγραπται, "it is written..." -- literally, "has been written," emphasizing that the writing being quoted was completed in the past but continues to exist and remain relevant). This is distinct from a simple aorist, which typically narrates completed events without necessarily highlighting their effects.

Eph. 1:13 narrates the act of believing as completed by the time of sealing. This does not imply that the believer generated that ability independently. This text is fully consistent with the logical priority of sealing presupposing God enabling belief.

Rom. 10:13-15 addresses the outward hearing and calling of the gospel, not the internal, sovereign work of God producing faith. Again, fully consistent with the principle that those who believe do so because God has worked in them.

1 Cor. 1:21 emphasizes the effectiveness of God's wisdom in salvation. Belief is the channel through which salvation is experienced, yet this is still consistent with belief presupposing God's logically prior enabling work.

Nothing in these passages denies that regeneration underlies the believer's ability to respond. The logic of 1 John 5:1 (among other text we could go to as well) remains: faith does not originate independently but is God-given and effectual.

ThatRobGuy said:

2) A crazy hypothetical. (and maybe there's already another rule that squashes it). The verbiage says "nobody can be elected to the office of president more than twice". In 2028, he and JD Vance switch spots on the ticket so he's only "Running for VP", and then after all the swearing in is done, Vance voluntarily resigns, and the succession plan kicks in.

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The 12th Amendment is probably a barrier to that. "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

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So we know we have two Adams one before the flood and one after God created the first Adam in the same way he created the last Adam which is Jesus Christ at his second coming when he presents himself to the father with his body of believers this is mankind in the image of God this body of believers will be divided up into different groups to perform different functions as Israel was Israel is man in the Image of God.

Hans Blaster said:

Oh no, Mr. Bill.

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???? What does that mean ????

Would you have the same response if it was you personally?

wing2000 said:

Good for you. Our heath care risks profiles are different than yours so comparing the two is irrelevent.

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How do you know that? Why do you think we carry a Devastating Illness insurance policy.

What is irrelevant are hypotheticals

AV1611VET said:

But you do agree that the giants were a flawed race of angels, do you not?

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That has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, so I will not answer it one way or another.

Carl Emerson said:

Can I suggest this evidence is the unity among believers...

John 17

21 that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

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Do they see unity?

They see unity regarding Christ as Savior. . .that's about it.

Always in His Presence said:

I'm not a dude - I don't work on a horse ranch - and I don't debate hypothetical because there are no facts to base a belief in it.

Yeah, right - great reply - does that mean your done?

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Yes. Your opinion is noted.

Always in His Presence said:

My wife and I $1,980 a year.

Including the monthly fee from our primary care physician and the Devastating illness coverage. In the last ten years we have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $26,000 because of a procedure my wife needed. We negotiated the cash price and made payments.

Simple math:

8,360 a year times ten years = 83,600
vs
$26,000.

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Good for you. Our heath care risks profiles are different than yours so comparing the two is irrelevent.