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Another look at the moon landing.

WOW that's some take off, it's just a pity it didn't make it to the moon.
Let’s also talk about what astronauts have left in the moon. Those items could not be there if man never made it to the moon, now can it?

The strange things humans have left on the Moon​

The story of how we got humans to the Moon is a well-documented one. But what about after we leave the lunar surface – what is left behind?

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Spanish Inquisiton


Quote below from link above, where all estimates may be viewed.

ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER

David A. Plaisted

© 2006

Contents


INTRODUCTION.............................................................................1

CHAPTER 1. Examples of Figures Concerning the Number Killed 3

CHAPTER 2. The Plausibility of Massive Persecution..................19

CHAPTER 3. The 50 Million Figure..............................................32

CHAPTER 4. The Spanish Inquisition............................................77

CHAPTER 5. Aletheia’s Estimate...................................................88

CHAPTER 6. An Estimate Based on Population Growth.............105

CHAPTER 7. Indirect Evidence of Persecution............................112

CHAPTER 8. Cloistered Convents................................................119

CHAPTER 9. Wars........................................................................134

CHAPTER 10. Conclusion............................................................138

CHCoG Comments........................................................................140

REFERENCES..............................................................................144

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Released 1 January, 2023

Revised 14 May, 2023

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INTRODUCTION

For two or three centuries, many Protestants have given figures concerning the total number of people killed directly or indirectly by the Papacy during the Middle Ages. The numbers given include 50 million, 68 million, 100 million, 120 million, and 150 million. Roman Catholics typically give much smaller numbers. Frequently the figures are stated without any information about where they came from or how they were computed. The purpose of this note is to describe where some of these figures come from and to comment on their reliability. Surely nearly all Roman Catholics as well as Protestants disapprove of past religious persecutions, so this discussion should not reflect negatively on current members of the Roman Catholic Church. However, events in Nazi Germany show how easily persecution can revive, so it is necessary to be on guard against it and maintain an awareness of its history. Of course, many other groups besides the Papacy have persecuted. And all of us, without Christ, have the roots of sin in ourselves. The reason the Papacy stands out is that it has ruled for such a long period of time over such a large area, exercised so much power, and claimed divine prerogatives for its persecutions. The magnitude of the persecutions is important for the following reason: One can perhaps excuse a few thousand cases as exceptional, but millions and millions of victims can only be the result of a systematic policy, thereby showing the harmful results of church-state unions.

In this study I have attempted, with some success, to penetrate the veil of obscurity that surrounds the Middle Ages in order to determine the true history of this period.

In order to consider this subject, it is necessary to recall many unpleasant events. The dreadful totals, computations, and examples that follow, one after another, are not for the faint hearted. These atrocities should convince us not so much of the evils of a particular religious system as of the depravity of the sinful human heart, and lead us to turn to Christ for repentance and salvation that we might have new hearts and be cleansed from sin.​
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Trump Orders Federal Law Enforcement to Patrol D.C.: ‘Plagued by Violent Crime for Far Too Long’

Isn’t the administration of the District of Columbia under the purview of the Congress?
When did Congress ask the President to “help”?

That's between him and Congress. . .are you sure Congress would not vote in favor of it?

Why would Congress not be in favor of cleaning things up?
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

It’s ok if you don’t. I know how hard it is for folks with a cemented belief like yours. No learning is possible. Not even conversation is possible. You can’t even explain why you reply to other people’s posts with “false statement”. I don’t think you know how.
I already explained it. If you disagree with what I explained, then its been explained, and u gave your views against it. That doesnt mean I have to explain your views, that's not debating or discussion. When I say someone made a false statement, I mean the statement they made isnt in scripture and it goes against what is in scripture. If I told you you made a false statement, I can point it out, yet its your burden to prove why it is not false sense its not in the scripture. Also generally if I tell you a false statement, I give a scripture why.
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Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

Yet another area wherein President Trump seeks to usurp the Constitutionally mandated authority of Congress, what’s not to love!?
Fear not. . .there are legal remedies if that is true.
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Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

I'm unclear if you're saying that my belief, as expressed, is incorrect, or if you're agreeing with me that another view is incorrect? I'm a Postribber, and agree that the man of lawlessness must be revealed first.
The rapture is not "imminent" unless there is nothing which must happen first.
The man of lawlessness must be revealed first, therefore, the rapture is not imminent.
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Trump Orders Federal Law Enforcement to Patrol D.C.: ‘Plagued by Violent Crime for Far Too Long’

That question was answered in the outcome of the election.
Isn’t the administration of the District of Columbia under the purview of the Congress?
When did Congress ask the President to “help”?
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Another look at the moon landing.

WOW that's some take off, it's just a pity it didn't make it to the moon.
But it absolutely did. Here is the video of them returning to earth.

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Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

I personally think that if women want to vote, they need to register for selective service. I mean, if they want equality, then equal rights mean equal fights.
Strangely enough, all of the arguments I've heard against women registering for selective service have come from men. Can't really blame the women if the men are the ones preventing them from being registered.

As an alternative, of course, we could just get rid of the draft altogether. It hasn't been used in quite a while now.

As for repealing the 19th Amendment, no, it's not going to happen, and it shouldn't happen.
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WE ARE AT WAR! Trump approves military action against Latin American cartels classified as terrorist organizations.




From what I understand, military actions will not be conducted on foreign soil. But the Navy will be performing operations around the U.S. coasts and ground forces along the border.
“Secretly” is misused here.
Why would POTUS need to act “secretly” in ordering military action within the USA?
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All that God did and commanded in the Old Testament was just.

All of which is what makes it difficult to swallow the poison pill of Herem warfare we find in the Old Testament texts. It's sort of difficult for me to see Joshua (or Exodus for that matter), as merely specialized, Hebrew allegories, prepared for Christians to read in later times.

One might think that with references to even earlier books that are now lost to legend, such as "the Book of the Wars of the Lord" or the [original] "Book of Jasher," the instances of harem warfare in Joshua's narrative were meant to be taken in a more or less straightforward way, even if they were either embellished later or exaggerated in their articulated prose. Naturally, this literalness feels a bit unsettling to many people today when they read that sort of thing, as they should since we have unsettling parallels that have been, and often are, easily brought to mind from the 20th century and our present moment.

Secondly, I don't see St. Paul making overtures to an allegorical reading of all the 'bad, genocidal' narratives we find in the Old Testament. If anything, he says things like we find in 1 Corinthians 10:1-13. None of that passage sounds like he's making an allusion to mere allegory, even if he does later seem to more figuratively apply language of destruction in 2 Corinthians 10:1-6 to how we might personally self-evaluate and deal with our personal sins.

Unfortunately, I can't let Origen carry the interpretive day .........................

Additionally, for me to get around the appearances of genocide in the Bible and to ameliorate their psychological impact, I have to put on my philosopher's goggles and take up modern texts like Michael Ignatieff's (2001), "Human Rights as Politics and Idolatry," in order to denude whatever modern day assumptions I might be inclined to harbor from my having been born and raised in the present day West. Obviously, there are a host of political, ethical and other philosophical issues to sift through, and it's not just the Bible that needs to be laid upon the crucible of criticism, so does the modern zeitgeist. But it can be done, even if doing so doesn't completely remove our feelings of being unsettled by what we read in the Bible.
Hi. I think you are committing the “sin” of presentism. Looking to today’s moral thoughts to judge or help you morally understand the past actually distorts the historical understanding and record. It takes a nuanced approach to be able to reconcile the past with the present. We need to learn from the past. In the case of the OT, Israel decided that they wanted to be like their pagan neighbors and have a king. God gave them that and also the reality of how their neighboring kings waged war which was sometimes brutal. I see the OT as being Christological in nature to give us a full contrast of before and after Christ.
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If God can replace Israel, He can replace the Church, too

The salvation of national Israel and the age to come is, in fact, "apostolic teaching," since the apostles were taught and trained by Jesus.
Indeed, and the apostolic teaching (Ro 11:16-23) of Christ (Lk 10:16) is that Israel is cut off the one tree of God's people, and will be grafted back IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief, which they have for 2,000 years now..
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Prophecy Question.

I'm not sure where to post this thread in. I didn't see anything about prophecy. But I was wondering, what happens after the third temple? Has it been built already?

Can someone please send me a list of all prophecy that has been completed and still yet to be completed, please? (With where to find it in scripture.)

Another look at the moon landing.

Well that just shows that you don't know your Bible and/or think you're being cute.

Noah was NOT a conspiracy theorist. He was a righteous and blameless man who walked with God and trusted him.
It was because he WAS righteous and trusted God that he was spared from the flood which God said he was going to send on the earth.

Like I said, read your Bible and skip the conspiracy theories and inaccurate YouTube clips.
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Another look at the moon landing.

I asked for YOUR evidence, not the rantings of a guy whose argument is nothing but his own opinion with no actual evidence backing it up. "It looks to me like...." is not evidence.

You asked for evidence for the flaws in Apollo 11 design & that's what I gave you.
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Spanish Inquisiton


Quotes below from link above. Quite a bit of Inquisition history at this link. The quotes provided are generally just the first few sentences or paragraphs of more in depth testimonies.

Inquisition against the Cathars of the Languedoc​


The Inquisition set up in the Languedoc was not the first Inquisition set up by the Roman Church. Bishops' Inquisitions had existed for centuries, but being local, never had the impact of later Papal Inquisitions. The Inquisition which is the subject of this page was the Medieval Inquisition, established informally by Dominican under Pope Innocent III in the early thirteenth century and formalised by later popes.

The more widely known Spanish Inquisition was set up around two centuries later by their Catholic Majesties Ferdinand (of Aragon) and Isabella (of Castile). In later centuries another Papal Inquisition would be created to exterminate Protestant ideas in Southern Europe. Like the Spanish Inquisition, it would follow the practices of the original medieval Inquisition in the Languedoc - the one we are talking about here.

The express purpose of this original medieval Inquisition was to discover and eliminate vestiges of Cathar belief left in the wake of the Cathar Crusades. During the crusades, ordinances had been passed which imposed new penalties for heresy. After the death of Innocent III in 1216 Honorius sanctioned Dominic Guzman's new religious order, popularly known as the Dominicans after Dominic. The Dominicans in turn created the first formal Inquisition. In 1233 the next pope, Gregory IX, charged the Dominican Inquisition with the final solution: the absolute extirpation of the Cathars. Soon the Franciscans would join in too, but it is Dominic Guzman (St Dominic) and his followers who have left the legacy of bitterness that endures in the Languedoc into the third millennium.

By the end of the fourteenth century Catharism had been virtually extirpated...............................................

Many of the techniques developed by the Medieval Inquisition were picked up and used by later totalitarian regimes and police states. Among them are the creation of racial and religious ghettos; the forcible wearing of "badges of shame"; formalised propaganda and forgery; spying; seizure of property, threats, false promises, intimidation and torture; and disregard for what has long been regarded as natural justice.

It is difficult to find any technique of modern totalitarianism that was not pioneered by the Medieval Inquisition, right down to the good cop / bad cop routine; physical restraint; the separation of families; sexual humiliation; the use of agents provocateurs and listening tubes; false promises of leniency; and softening up new victims using psychological techniques such as leaving them for weeks, cold and hungry, isolated in cells within hearing distance of the torture chamber. Even water boarding was used.............................................


Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers.​


The old Episcopal Inquisition continued in parallel with the new Papal Inquisition, so co-operative bishops were able to work hand-in-hand with papal Inquisitors. One notable example was Jacques Fournier, Bishop of Pamiers.

Jacques Fournier a Cistercian monk became Abbot of Fontfroide Abbey. In 1317 he became Bishop of Pamiers. He undertook a rigorous hunt for Cathar believers, which won him praise from Catholic authorities, but alienated local people. He was an exceptional Inquisitor. Uniquely "Monsignor Jacques" was interested in what had really happened, not just in obtaining convictions. He kept detailed records of his interrogations and managed to have them preserved to provide a treasure trove for historians. He made a name for himself by his skill as an Inquisitor during the period 1318-1325. He conducted a campaign against the last remaining Cathar believers in the village of Montaillou, as well as others who questioned the Catholic faith................................................

In 1326, on the successful rooting out of what were believed to be the last Cathar adherents in the area, he was made Bishop of Mirepoix in the Ariège. A year later, in 1327, he was made a cardinal. He succeeded Pope John XXII (1316–34) as Pope in 1334, being elected on the first conclave ballot. His election as pope accounts for the fact that even a small proportion of his records survived into modern times since they were transferred to the Papal Archives...............


Bernard Delicieux​


Pretty much the only Catholic churchman to have emerged from the whole of the Cathar period with any integrity (as measured by modern secular standards) was a Franciscan friar called Bernard Delicieux.

Delicieux came from Montpellier, not then part of France.

He noted with some justification that there was no way of establishing one's innocence: "... if St. Peter and St. Paul were accused of 'adoring' heretics and were prosecuted after the fashion of the Inquisition, there would be no defence open for them."
Delicieux was involved in the case of Castel Fabre, a unique and revealing case in which a man was found not-guilty by the Inquisition. It is revealing in that the only reason that a defence could be mounted was that another arm of the Church stood to lose if a guilty verdict were returned. The facts of the case were that the Dominicanswere trying to disinherit Castel's heirs on the grounds that he had been a Cathar - unlikely since he had been buried in a convent. The Franciscans had evidence that he had left his worldly goods to them - again suggesting that he had not been a Cathar at all. If he was guilty then the Dominicans would get the goods. If he were innocent the Franciscans would get them. These unusual circumstances provided a unique opportunity for a genuine trial based on evidence - itself an interesting fact in that it showed that the Church new full well what a properly conducted trial looked like.....................

The Medieval Inquisition - Pope Gregory IX​

A roving papal Inquisition had been set up in 1231 by Pope Gregory IX. He extended existing legislation against heretics and introduced the death penalty for them – indeed for anyone who dissented from his views. Initially intended to be temporary, this Inquisition was used to extirpate surviving Cathars in the Languedoc. Anyone accused or ‘defamed’ was treated as guilty, and no one once defamed got off without some punishment. After 1227 Inquisitorial commissions were granted only to the friars, usually to the Dominicans. The Inquisition was now the ‘Dominican Inquisition’. Dominic Guzmán’s threats of slavery and death for the citizens of the Languedoc were fulfilled for a second time. First the massacres, now the Inquisition..............................

The Knights Templar​

The trial of the Knights Templar demonstrates how unjust the Inquisition could be. The charges of heresy against them were almost certainly fabricated. No real evidence was ever produced to support the accusations. The best that could be managed was hearsay evidence such as that of a priest (William de la Forde) who had heard from another priest (Patrick de Ripon) that a Templar had once told him, under the inviolable seal of confession, about some rather improbable goings on.

Inquisitors obtained the most damning evidence through the use of torture. In countries where torture was not permitted, the Templars denied the charges, however badly they were otherwise treated and however long they were imprisoned. As soon as torture was applied the required confessions materialised. Inquisitors refused to attach their seals to depositions unless they included confessions, so that only one side of the case appeared in official records. In France, where torture was applied freely, there were many confessions, and also many deaths under torture. Accused persons who retracted their confessions faced death at the stake as relapsed heretics.............................

The Spanish Inquisition​

The Medieval Inquisition was established in Barcelona in 1233. Five years later its authority was extended to Castile, Leon and Navarre. This was essentially an extension of the Inquisition established to extirpate the remnants of Catharism. Over 200 years later another inquisition was to appear : the Spanish Inquisition. Their Roman Catholic Majesties, Ferdinand and Isabella, established it in 1479, with the explicit sanction of Pope Sixtus IV, who in 1483 also confirmed the Dominican friar Thomas de Torquemada as Grand Inquisitor for Aragon and Castile. The Inquisition was initially directed against Jewish and Muslim converts who were suspected of returning to their own religion, and thus being guilty of apostasy. (Many had converted to Christianity only under threat of death.)

The process was much the same as that of the Medieval Inquisition, and indeed was deliberately modelled on it. It too was manned mainly by Dominicans. They copied the methods of arrest, trial, punishment, staffing, and procedure, even down to the blessing of the instruments of torture..............................................

The Roman Inquisition



The Roman Inquisition, more correctly the Congregation of the Inquisition, was set up in 1542 by Pope Paul III to help eradicate Protestantism from Italy. It was composed of cardinals, one of whom had proposed its establishment in the first place. He later became Pope himself, taking the name Paul IV. A keen opponent of the free exchange of ideas, he enjoys the distinction of having put even his own writings on the Index.

Procedures of the Roman Inquisition were no more just than those of earlier inquisitions, and executions became more common than in Spain. Freethinkers and scientists were added to the existing categories of victim for torture and execution. It was this inquisition that was responsible for burning the foremost philosopher of the Italian Renaissance, Giordano Bruno, in 1600; and for inducing the foremost scientist, Galileo, to recant under the threat of torture ............
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The Redeemed

The "elect" are those who have received His Holy Spirit and do the will of the Father. This is when one is still alive. After death one is either present with the Lord or not. Judgment is on the last day. All the elect are with Jesus Christ of Nazareth where He has provided propitiation to the elect. There is no difference between the elect and the saved. They are one in the same.
Blessings
And Eph 1:4 says. :
# 1. ACCORDING AS //. KATHOS , is an. Adverb

# 2 HE HATH CHOSEN // EKLEGOMAI. , is. in the Aorist Tense , Middle Tense , in the Indicative Mood , in the Singular

# 3. US. // HOMAS. , is a Personal Possessive Pronun. , in the Accusative Case in. the Plural

# 4. IN // EN. , is a Preposition

# 5 HIM. //. AUTO , is. a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. , in the Dative Case , in. the Singular

# 6 BEFORE //. PRO , is a Preposition

#. 7 THE FOUNDATION //. KATABOLE , in. the Genitive Case. , in. the Signualar.

# 8 OF THE WORLD //. KOSMOS , in. the Genitive Case. , in. the Singular

# 9. THAT WE // HEMAS. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE. , in. the Plural

#. 10 SHOULD BE. , EINAI. , in the Present Tense

# 11 HOLY // HAGIO , in. the Accusative Case , in. the Plural

#. 12. AND // KAI , is. a CONJUNCATION

# 13 WITH. OUT BLAME //. AMOMOS. , is in the Accusative Case , in. the Plural

# 14 BEFORE // KATENOPIO , is. a Preposition

# 15 Him // AUTOS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in. the Genitive Case , in. the Singular

# 16 IN // EN is a PERPOSITION

# 7 LOVE //. AGAPO , is in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the Singular

I see both at one Time CHOSEN. and SAVED !!

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How do you feel being a mature single at church?

I feel kinda awkward sometimes.. like im missing out because everyone is getting married thats around my age and i'm not. I guess its because i spent the majority of my 20s doing drugs and running with the wrong crowd.. I'm also guessing that I would have to spend a lot more time in the church for that to happen. I'm not quite sure yet. I know that im ready to live a life within Christ.
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