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Jack Terrence · 2025-07-21T05:19:42-0500

Brightfame52 said:
All men are slaves to sin, ethnicity has nothing to do

Brightfame52 said:
All men are slaves to sin, ethnicity has nothing to do with it

First, where did Jesus say that all men are slaves to sin? He said that whosoever commits sin is the slave of sin (John 8:31) "Whosoever" is not every man. Second, he was speaking to believers being set free from sin by continuing in his word.

31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed in Him, “If you continue in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

stevevw · 2025-07-21T05:14:05-0500

I don't think it matters if there was humans walking the earth long ago beyond the 6 literal days. I think this is what can help understand the verse and not trying to decide an entire meaning on one words definition.

This seems to happen a lot including in the Greek and new testament where the entire interpretation comes down to a word meaning. I think if we expand the criteria and include anthroplogy, archeology, culture, sociology, we will understand better what is going on.

For one regardless of the word meanings it is the context for which those words were written in. The worldview of those people who did not see the world as we do today. So their use of particular words is premised on their worldview and their worldview was completely different to ours today.

Jack Terrence · 2025-07-21T05:06:08-0500

Brightfame52 said:
They were never condemned, Christ was condemned/accursed in their stead

Yes, they were condemned. You are a gospel denier.

Jack Terrence · 2025-07-21T05:05:26-0500

GoldenKingGaze said:
How does this matter return to the OP interest in being responsible regarding grace and destiny?

I was answering a claim by another poster.

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-07-21T05:03:33-0500

Hentenza said:
This makes absolutely no sense. I’m not nor will I ever be an universalist but Jesus here is in fact saying the the kingdom of God is for such as these. And these are the children. You can’t change the scriptures to suit your theology,

Hi Henry, it has been a while!!
Mark :wave:

David Lamb · 2025-07-21T04:54:26-0500

Neogaia777 said:
Just exchange the word "bound" for "restricted", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

God Bless.

Whether you say "bound" or "restricted", where is such a think taught in the bible? I find that we are taught that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he died before Jesus. Elderly Simeon had the Holy Spirit:

“25 ¶ And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,” (Lu 2:25-27 NKJV)

Neogaia777 · 2025-07-21T04:48:36-0500

David Lamb said:
Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

Just exchange the word "bound" for temporarily "restricted/limited", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

I apologize for using language this way sometimes, but it is sometimes necessary, ok.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · 2025-07-21T04:38:12-0500

fhansen said:
Yes, pride/self-righteousness are opposed to God by their nature while humility is the key to truly drawing near to Him. The scary thing is that all evil is done in the name of some good, by someone pursuing a desire they perceive to be good, and that they have the right to pursue just because they desire it.

Maybe not all evil, but some of the worst ones probably. And, yes, a lot of people, especially nowadays, have a big, huge problem with calling a sin and sin nowadays, etc. There is a great deal of questioning going on about it nowadays, "Well, is it really?", some will say, but when consequences sometimes come for them some of the times and/or always, then they find out, don't they. No fear of God for anyone nowadays drives this mostly. Whereas if they would just simply agree with God about it (the sin) and they would stay humble about it always, even though they might still commit the sin sometimes always, or be guilty of it always, then maybe the consequences for it maybe need not come all of the time and always, etc. But it still always can be a risk, both in this life, and maybe also to your eternal salvation maybe sometimes, or in some cases, either way, etc. We'd like to not ever play around with any kind of sin at all always, but the problem is that all of us do all of the time and always, etc, unless you've convinced yourself that you don't anymore ever at all always, but I've talked about that already, etc.

God Bless.

David Lamb · 2025-07-21T04:38:05-0500

Neogaia777 said:
God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

tturt · 2025-07-21T04:21:24-0500

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fhansen · 2025-07-21T04:20:07-0500

Neogaia777 said:
We set aside the grace of God (and become apostate) (like the Judizers in Jesus day) by no longer thinking we need it.

God Bless.

Yes, pride/self-righteousness are opposed to God by their nature while humility is the key to truly drawing near to Him. The scary thing is that all evil is done in the name of some good, by someone pursuing a desire they perceive to be good, and that they have the right to pursue just because they desire it.

Neogaia777 · 2025-07-21T03:57:57-0500

We set aside the grace of God (and become apostate) (like the Judizers in Jesus day) by no longer thinking we need it.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · 2025-07-21T03:52:55-0500

Obedience done in your own strength decieves you, as it causes you to think you are now perfect, and don't any longer have any sin, but all you have to do to see that is false, is just take a close look at all of the people who think they have done it, for they most often are very, very much decieved, etc. But let your obedience be a true work of God, and you will be fine, etc. Some of the most evil people I know are the ones who think they have become perfect in their own strength, and I'm pretty sure God agrees with me. They would not be so very much judgemental towards those who are not yet where they are now at (or think they are now at) for one thing, etc. Only a truly enlightened person knows that this is always a very, very grave sin, and can cost you your salvation, etc. If you truly knew God, you would already know that you don't have the right (or level of knowledge) to be able to do that, etc. If you want to tell people the truth about sin, then tell them that sin can be a possible risk, etc, because anything beyond that, is a sin, and you have neither the right, or the level of knowledge that is required, to be able to do that, etc.

God Bless.

keras · 2025-07-21T03:49:52-0500

In Romans 11:28-32: it does say some of the Jewish people will receive God's mercy, despite their continued rejection of Jesus. Romans 9:27
There will be two main criteria for this:
1/ They must be actual members of the House of Judah. Not those who call themselves Jews, but are not. Revelation 2:9
2/ They must show true repentance and remorse, as Jeremiah 12:14-16 tells us:..... I will have pity on them [Judah] and bring them back to their Land, if they learn the ways of My People, [Christians] and swear allegiance to My Name.
Note; the remnant Jews will be so ashamed of their errors, they will keep very quiet. Ezekiel 16:63

However; the main Christian peoples who will go to live in all of the holy Land after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12, will be descendants of the ten Northern tribes; the House of Israel, joined by every faithful Christian from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9-10
This will fulfil God's promise to the Patriarchs, that their descendants will inherit the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T03:43:05-0500

There was a time when most black people didn't complain about segregation. There was a time when Jewish people didn't complain about being excluded from clubs and events. "That's just the way it is."

Which doesn't mean they weren't offended. How about just calling people what they want to be called?

Ophiolite · 2025-07-21T03:37:12-0500

rjs330 said:
Why would you await that. You said you are a former Christian. The Bible is just a book to you.

Just a book? Until the advent of the cloud, books were where human knowledge and experience and beliefs were preserved. In my worldview they are not dismissed as "just a book".

As a Christian it was the Sermon on the Mount that spoke to me with greatest power and conviction. What I see in the actions and declarations of many Christians in the USA is the antithesis of those words. Many of the posts on this forum reek with same the hypocrisy and disregard for human dignity.

Remove the Sermon of the Mount from the Bible, which is symbolically what those ignoring it are doing, and you take away the heart of it.

Strong in Him · 2025-07-21T03:35:24-0500

Apple Sky said:
I do listen.

Well answer my comments, and I'll stop making them, then.

Larniavc · 2025-07-21T03:19:24-0500

BCP1928 said:
I know you'd like to think that, but many of us do. Others are satisfied with having it taken out of our taxes, like an automatic periodic contribution to the United way. What's wrong with that?

It’s the ‘screw you, I got mine’ American Dream.

Larniavc · 2025-07-21T03:18:28-0500

Richard T said:
I guess you never have seen swollen bellies of infants, and primary school kids. It is real in some places. I doubt much of this reached them though. I can say that corn subsidies for making ethanol gas sure is causing many to starve.

Ethanol policy threatens to starve the world

Drought. War. Poverty. These are leading causes of hunger, according to the United Nations. Soon we may add another. Ethanol. Across the globe, people are discovering it's a new contributor to world hunger. Led by the United States, governments are paying companies billions to make ethanol from...

www.heritage.org

How sad that on this a Christian website, obvious sarcasm is taken at face value.

Neogaia777 · 2025-07-21T03:00:20-0500

David Lamb said:
Where do we find such a thing as the Holy Spirit being "bound up inside of Jesus" until He died? When Jesus was baptized by John, we read:

“And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't bound up anywhere.

God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

Strong in Him · 2025-07-21T02:40:17-0500

Apple Sky said:
That little girl was asking what so many have asked in the past. Buzz's answer ' I think I know why, b/c we never went there'.

That's not what he said. He said "we didn't go there", and from the context it's obvious (to all but conspiracy theorists) that he meant "we didn't go back there.". In other words, we haven't been back, or returned. He also said if we want to know for the future we have to look at why it stopped in the past.

When you first produced this clip, a few months ago, I pointed out to you that the very next clip - on my phone anyway - showed an interview with Buzz which began with the words "I'm Buzz Aldrin and I was a pilot on Apollo 11." There are several such clips on YouTube - although the conspiracy theorists clips get more publicity.

It's like when David Jenkins, Bishop of Durham, said years ago, "the resurrection is MORE than just a conjuring trick with bones". (I read his full sermon in the Church of England newspaper.)
Headline the next day, "Bishop says resurrection is a conjuring trick with bones". This lead to letters, articles and cartoons about doubting bishops, how do they get to stay in the job, etc ?
David Jenkins wasn't perfect and he probably said a lot of things I disagreed with. "The resurrection didn't happen", was not one of them, but hey, it sold newspapers.

pasifika · 2025-07-21T02:38:01-0500

Brightfame52 said:
Then you have a stupid god. He knew if he created a person that the person was going to sin up all grace and die and go to hell for their sins, yet with his dumb self, he created him anyway, knowing no matter how many opportunities he gives him, he is going to spurn them away and die a fool. Does that sound like a all wise God to you, even a loving God ? Sounds like a fool

sorry to jump in and interrupt your conversation with the other poster..but Romans 9:20-22 will address your point.

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