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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

"Out of control" in one city block in Portland
It's not the only place they are and not yhe only place they have been violent. Heck we have leftist politicians talking about putting bullets in opponents brains and wishing their children are killed. We have a LARGE amount of leftists who support political violence and assassinations.

So Im really wondering who should be considering leaving and why and who is really causing problems here.
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law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

You keep repeating the same things that have been addressed. The law of Moses and the Ten Commandments are not the same covenants. I do not know how much clearer these Scriptures can be.
lol you are yet to show me where the 4th commandment is commanded in the new covenant. You are now deflecting. Again, I challenge you to show me from the new covenant where sabbath keeping us commanded to the Christian.
Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.


Besides God's covenant was the law of Moses, i\


Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.


2Ki 21:8 and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers—only if they are careful to do according to all that I (God)have commanded them, and (in addition) according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them."



Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.
The rest of this is another random c&p of verses that are irrelevant.
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Another liberal judge injects her politics into law...

The President's memo of 9/25 defines any criticism of America, Capitalism or Christianity as evidence of terrorist affiliation
That's absolute, complete, utter nonsense. I've read the memo, it says no such thing and it says nothing that remotely resembles that.
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

The technical lingo is 'AI offloading' can weaken cognitive plasticity—the brain’s ability to strengthen circuits through effortful use.

"Low level" analysis makes you good at low level analysis.

But offloading workload on low level analysis lets you do more "high level" work and actually become good at high level (strategic, long term analysis) work as well as greatly improving situational awareness of whatever situation you're dealing with.

The world does not have a shortage of geniuses but rather an abundance of them who can crunch complex equations in their head or on tissue paper.

And yet, we still managed to steer the world towards a path of self-destruction. Lack of situational awareness. What is the advantage?
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Eschatalogical views and the question of history

Symbolical and represent something literal in the sense of something really taking place, but I think maybe real or actual rather than literal. In this regard I think the numbers may not be literal, but they have a significance. 1000 years may signify God's Reign itself, rather than a literal duration?
Well, that's a long subject! ;) We could be here for a very long time discussing that one!

But I think there's something to what you're saying, even though I personally believe in a literal Millennium and in the literal restoration of the nation Israel. That is, I don't believe the Church is "Spiritual Israel."
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Censorship?

A false conflict when the Holy Spirit does not contradict himself in his own God-breathed word (2 Tim 3:16). . .

The Word of God never becomes the scriptures and Jesus never refers to scriptures as the Word of God. Because the Word of God has always manifested as a living entity - God >> Jesus >> Holy Spirit.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us...

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

The Word became flesh (Jesus) and made His dwelling among us (Holy Spirit). The Word of God never became the scriptures and it already dwells inside those the Holy Spirit finds its dwelling.

2 Corinthians 3:3
It is clear that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Hebrews 10:15-16
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says: 16“This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

It's ironic I have to quote scriptures about verses telling the Word of God did not become scriptures and rather telling us, if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we already have he Word of God in us.
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law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

Why don't you just stick with the Text. I understand you don't agree, nor do I with your interpretation. I show you plain Scripture, you just don't agree, but no need to get personal.

Maybe you can answer these questions

Is your opinion fulfilled means the same as destroyed i.e. no longer need to keep. Are you claiming Jesus came to destroy i.e. end His law of righteousness (right doing) Psa 119:172 that He was prophesied to magnify Isa 42:21 which means make greater, but failed that and just ended the law even through He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18


So are you claiming that we can now worship other gods, bow to images, vain His holy name, steal, covet, commit murder or break the least of these commandments that Jesus warned not to in a couple verses down. Mat 5:19
Did you not read my post? I even explained that fulfill does not mean destroy. But wait this part of your post is identical word for word from your response to another poster in your post 71 so you didn’t read my post. That’s not nice. But I’m going to reply nonetheless.

Fulfill does not means destroy, it means to complete. Jesus fulfilled (completed the terms) of the first covenant just like completing the terms of a contract. Jesus was the only person that could fulfill the old covenant perfectly otherwise the terms would not be fulfilled and a new covenant could not be issued. That is Jesus sacrifice since without the sacrifice of blood the old covenant would still be in place.

In the new covenant 9 of the Ten Commandments are part of the new contract. Those are specifically listed so your Strawman fails. We can’t now worship other gods or covet or steal, etc, than we could before. The 4th commandment was not continued in the new covenant because Jesus became the lord of the Sabbath and our rest. We now have the rest of Jesus.




I showed you what the New Contract was established on (terms) Heb8:6 and what God promised not to alter Psa89:34 Mat5:18 why the NC still has God's laws Heb 8:10 just placed in a new location based on better promises. Because God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Why Jesus said quoting from this same unit of Ten not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat5:19-30 because the Ten Commandments is what sits under the mercy seat of God, not Moses revealed in heaven Exo 31:18 Rev 11:19 Rev 15:5 as it is His standard of Judgement James 2:11 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 not ours. God defines His commandments Exo 20:6, Rev 14:12 Rev 22:15, not us. Best to let God be God.
You have not showed me anything that you have not posted in other posts. You are yet to post a verse from the new covenant commanding the Christian to keep the Jewish Sabbath. I challenge you to provide scripture to this effect.
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Ezra Klein: Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way

How is "ceteris paribus" a fake restriction?
Because there always loads of other conditions available besides "are these views mainstream or fringe?"

I mean, mainly, theres the actual content of the views. Why remove that from consideration? it seems absurd frankly. Having the content of the views, you can look deeper than their popularity level and check them against reality.

I'll get to the rest later hopefully....
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

Getting back to the physiological impacts of an ever increasing reliance on AI, if calculators have caused a form of atrophy due to lack of stimulation of the prefrontal cortex as mental arithmetic is no longer a requirement, the potential effects of AI on the brain are far more widespread.

Skill / Emotional DomainTypical Human Function ReducedPotential Brain Regions AffectedMechanism of Atrophy / ReductionExample of Overreliance Scenario
Analytical Thinking & Problem SolvingLogical reasoning, mathematical manipulation, decision-makingDorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex (DLPFC), Parietal CortexReduced activation in working memory and reasoning circuitsRelying on AI to perform all quantitative analysis or research interpretation
Memory & Knowledge RetentionLong-term memory formation, recall, contextual linkingHippocampus, Medial Temporal LobeDecreased need for encoding and retrieval of factsUsing AI summaries instead of reading or studying source material
Attention & FocusSustained attention, task persistenceAnterior Cingulate Cortex (ACC), Parietal Attention NetworkConstant switching between prompts and outputs fragments attentionRelying on AI multitasking instead of deliberate concentration
Creativity & ImaginationIdea generation, mental simulation, divergent thinkingDefault Mode Network (DMN): medial prefrontal cortex, posterior cingulatePassive consumption of AI-generated ideas dampens self-initiated creative networksLetting AI compose or design instead of ideating independently
Language & Communication SkillsVocabulary use, argument structure, narrative coherenceBroca’s and Wernicke’s Areas, Left Temporal CortexDecreased self-construction of language; less linguistic rehearsalAlways using AI to write or rephrase
Critical Thinking & SkepticismEvaluating truth, identifying bias, logical consistencyPrefrontal Cortex (esp. ventromedial PFC), Orbitofrontal CortexDiminished engagement in evaluative judgmentAccepting AI-generated information as accurate without cross-checking
Emotional Intelligence & EmpathyReading emotions, perspective-taking, compassionAnterior Insula, Amygdala, Medial Prefrontal CortexLess real interpersonal feedback, emotional flatteningPreferring AI chat for social comfort over human interaction
Moral Reasoning & Ethical ReflectionJudging fairness, responsibility, moral choiceVentromedial Prefrontal Cortex, Temporoparietal JunctionDelegation of moral judgment to algorithms dulls inner moral reasoningLetting AI make hiring or justice-related decisions
Motor and Spatial SkillsHand-eye coordination, spatial reasoningCerebellum, Parietal LobeReduced sensory-motor integrationUsing AI or robots for all manual or navigational tasks
Metacognition & Self-awarenessReflecting on one’s own thought processPrefrontal Cortex, Posterior Cingulate CortexReduced introspective effortTrusting AI “thinking” over one’s own reflection or self-evaluation
The technical lingo is 'AI offloading' can weaken cognitive plasticity—the brain’s ability to strengthen circuits through effortful use.
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law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

There is no animal sacrifices in the Ten Commandments.
Nope.
The Ten Commandments is its own covenant or agreement and consists of just that.
Nope. Like the writer of Hebrews states there is more to the old covenant than just the 10.
God added no more after the Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 and started way before Moses. The law that describes what sin is 1 John 3:4 Rom7:7 Mat5:19-30 James 2:11 cannot be the same law that was added because of breaking the law.
So if what you say is true then either breaking the 10 commandments is not a sin or breaking the rest of the Jewish law is not sin. This again would not be logical nor biblical. The fact is that if you break either one then that is sin because both are one and the same.
The law of Moses is what had all the animal sacrifices and earthy sanctuary ministration through the priesthood of Levi

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; 27 for I know your rebellion and your stiff neck. If today, while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord, then how much more after my death?

God claimed the Ten Commandments as His, Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Moses is not God, God is not Moses.
Read Hebrews again.

“Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer. Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He says, “that you make all things by the pattern which was shown to you on the mountain.” But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice that the priesthood, tabernacle, gifts, sacrifices, etc are all part of the law and yet now, new covenant, those laws are not included instead the new covenant is enacted on better promises.

“Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers On the day I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; For they did not continue in My covenant, And I did not care about them, says the Lord.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice here that God explains that they did not continue His covenant. This is interesting, since according to the writer of Hebrews there is more to the law than just the 10 commandments, then the covenant that they did not follow is all of the law.

Secondly, the writer of Hebrews explains that death happened for redemption of violations under the old covenant. The death is the death of Christ which atoned for the violations (sins) of the old covenant. This happened because, according to sacrificial laws, was the only way to fulfill the old covenant. So we see here that the sacrificial laws were part of the old covenant.

“For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the violations that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9‬:‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

I can keep going but this is good for now.
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Were Andronicus and Junia apostles?

I think I will continue trusting what God says in His word about apostles.
Ephesians 4:11-16 tells us apostles are always need in the church, maybe until Christ returns. For the perfecting of saints, to measure up to Christ, to resist false teachings, wolves, for love.

And the Roman Catholic church did not perform all so well. But had many bishops and also the Greek Orthodox...
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Morality without Absolute Morality

But you haven't got a 'wrong or right'. You've effectively got a 'wrong and right'. Each Christian has a different answer. How do we know who has the correct one?
I offer that I have gotten your issue about how two Christians can have exact opposite "whatevers".

And . . . among other possibilities . . . both "sides" can be wrong . . . according to objective, absolute morality.

Two arguing people can be wrong because they are arguing!! > as it is written >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

I mean, if both are just congratulating themselves and looking down on those who do not agree with them > then both are absolutely immoral, by arguing in a self-exalting and self-righteous way!!

And, of course, we can have ten or twenty or more "Christians" with different answers. So, how can we tell which one is right, I think you are asking? Well, there is absolute morality, about each of their answers . . . but this not guaranteeing that any of us will know what this is. But it is there. Jesus has the absolute ability to get anything right . . . judging > He is sure > as He has notified us >

"'For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,'" (John 5:22)

So, in any case, Jesus knows what is absolutely morally correct . . . **no matter how we might make things look!!!!**

And what Jesus can do is put pieces of a puzzle together > one Christian can have one part, another another part. And with Jesus we can discover the picture made by its many pieces which different children of God have.

And, of course, ones can be wrong. But God can make us able to tell the difference, even with things not obviously spelled out by the scriptures. But, in order to get what is really right, we need God; with humans it is impossible.

The scriptures help us, but we have a lot of discovering to do, with God.

And the main emphasis of morals is not only the outward cultural stuff. It is about how to become truly humble, not me self-righteously looking down on how others are wrong according to my standards. Jesus is the most genuinely loving and not at all conceited One in existence, and He went to the cross for us. And this is our example, as part of our moral standard, to give the right quality of love to what we do to love >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, in case ones only or mainly give attention to outward morals . . . this can side-track us from the deeper value of how God's love is and has us loving. And therefore ones mainly or only trying to control people and micromanage people with superficial standards can get nowhere but frustrated and looking down on others. Because the morals need to be practiced with the right way of loving.

I have learned a theory > how we need to not only stop certain objectively immoral things, but we need to also deal with what is causing them.

One example is how beauty discrimination has so wrecked people so they do not know how to love. Because they are so distracted with evaluating what people look like and how charming they talk and act . . . instead of dealing with how we need to become humble in Jesus and learn how to live in his rest so we can be strong enough to do well in a close relationship without the arguing and hating and unforgiveness > in one's weakness for the pleasure of beauty ones stay deeply weak so also they can break down and be hurt and unforgiving and arguing and complaining . . . instead of creative in our Creator's love.

God's love makes us all-loving, not conceited in picking and choosing who is worth loving. So, selfish loving is absolutely immoral and keeps us weak so we can keep on suffering in all our personality troubles and confusion and painful emotional stuff. Jesus does say >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

And this is why selfish love is immoral: because God does care about what is good for us.

And so, yes, you can find some number of Christians puzzling, either because they have a bunch of ideas which all are incorrect, or because there are the ones who have pieces of the big picture.

So, you ask, how do I know which is which? My opinion and experience is > the Bible can help. There are people who help me, because God does use people to help each other so we can grow in how to love with each other. And there can be things which are in God's hands and how He uses things for His good, though we "might" not know what is going on. So, with Jesus we can grow to know > a child learns with growing, developing ability to know with growing.
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law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

I’m trying to stay focused on one Scripture to see if we can make sense of what is its true meaning and if our version of Jesus saying one thing in one verse and than has Jesus says the complete opposite in couple verses down how that makes sense. I asked specific questions to this one verse, I am not going to sort through a previous long post. I just want to focus on one verse. If you don‘t want to answer my questions directly, it’s okay. Be well.
I've replied to each and every one of your Scriptures, and you still claimed I don't use Scriptures--just "opinions." I think you're trying to get out of any real discussions. I hope not?

I've now dealt with Matt 5. But you just claim I'm writing a "novel," which is obviously insulting. So, how serious are you?
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Morality without Absolute Morality

It's a pretty simple question. Obvious, even. A tautology? The answer to a tautology is, "Yes, of course," not, "I refuse to answer." The fact that you refuse to answer shows up what a sophist you really are, and how you are dishonestly twisting earnest definitions.

In a court of law the judge would now allow me to treat you as a hostile witness, given that you are refusing to answer basic questions. Let the record show that Bradskii is not even able to answer the simplest of questions. This is why he is not worth talking to. He always buries his head in the sand instead of carrying out rational dialogue. If you want an honest discussion, Bradskii is the last person you want to talk to.
Respectfully, you are resorting to adhominem attacks. I know things can get frustrating on these forums, but please remember to address thr post, not the poster.
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