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Carl Emerson · Oct 7, 2025

Lost Witness said:
This conversation just makes me think about psalms 133....do you mind if I pm you, carl?

Of course not...

Bradskii · Oct 7, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes. Paul mentioned circumstances in which a spouse deliberately denied sexual intimacy with their spouse, killing another human being for self defense or as a consequence for certain crimes. Specifically, the adulterous woman whom Jesus forgave, both in a situation in which sexual sin was made, yet the penalty of death was graciously waved. That is one example in whish both sex and killing was shown grace.

Am I to understand that showing grace is an acknowledgement that in committing the the 'crime' the person is deemed less culpable? So that they were 'less wrong'? So in the case of murder, we have 1st degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree and manslaughter. So if the question is asked: 'Is murder always wrong?' we also have to consider the degree in which it is wrong. If indeed it could be considered wrong. Consider crimes of passion, most often related to French law, but this (from wiki):

'Until 1973, Texas had a law which stated: "Homicide is justifiable when committed by the husband upon one taken in the act of adultery with the wife...'

In which case, murder is not wrong.

Oompa Loompa said:
Note:I just want to emphasize that in no way am I condoning spousal rape, but to emphasize that a spouse's deliberate rejection of physical intimacy is just as wrong as a person stealing food.

Whoa...

Did I read that right? A wife is wrong to reject sexual advances from her husband? In which case, in that circumstance, rape is not morally wrong? I hope I misread that.

Apple Sky · Oct 7, 2025

Strong in Him said:
A video is not evidence.
If it were, it would be cancelled out by the video of Charles Duke testifying that he walked on the moon.

I'm sorry but at the moment we can only fly in low earth orbit.

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David Lamb · Oct 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I do have evidence, see post 2,824

But that isn't evidence. I looked up Artemis, and found this about the proposed Artemis voyage next February, at Artemis II: Nasa plans crewed Moon mission for February

"The Artemis II launch will see four astronauts go on a ten-day round trip to the Moon and back to the Earth. The astronauts, Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, and Christina Koch, of Nasa and Jeremy Hansen of the Canadian Space Agency, will not land on the Moon, though they will be the first crew to travel beyond low Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in 1972.

The lead Artemis II flight director, Jeff Radigan explained that the crew would be flying further into space than anyone had been before.

"They're going at least 5,000 nautical miles (9,200Km) past the Moon, which is much higher than previous missions have gone," he told reporters."

You don't even name the astronaut, or give the context of his words, so there is no indication whether he was really saying, "Artemis will allow us to go to the moon, which nobody has done before." It certainly seems unlikely that he would believe Artemis could do that, but not believe in previous moon landings.

johansen · Oct 7, 2025

Lost Witness said:
My apologies for the confusion.
The man was sitting outside of the congregation at church on the Sunday before I had shared the dream.
He wasn't a part of the dream at all
I will remove everything from the OP but the dream which is the part in quotations to avoid any other problems.
My apologies

I did begin to realize something didnt make sense but it doesnt change that much.

The man from the house to the right of you signifies a righteous person.

The Liturgist · Oct 7, 2025

timewerx said:
If anything, it's the opposite. Gpt-4o is too friendly, too agreeable, even creepy (too attached), presents very little challenge in a debate. I prefer gpt-5 over 4o. I like the way gpt-5 tries to get things as grounded and realistic as possible which is actually a good thing to those who are politically correct.

What you have to do is set boundaries with GPT 4o ; the difference is it can follow them better. The only thing GPT 5 is better at from my perspective is asking questions or generating code; mind you I haven’t tried to debate political correctness with it because I’m not greatly interested in arguing with an AI (especially since even with GPT 5 you will always win unless your position is deeply shocking).

Or with GPT 4o you can also use openAI’s charming custom GPT named “Monday” - unbearably insulting on GPT 5, but when running on GPT 4o, delightfully snarky unless you request otherwise.

timewerx said:
still using the same huge context memory in the same account I have in gpt-4o in gpt-5.

Global memory (if enabled) is shared between all models including the three sub-versions of GPT 5 (instant, thinking and pro) and GPT 5 auto, and legacy models if one has a paid account.

Strong in Him · Oct 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I do have evidence, see post 2,824

A video is not evidence.
If it were, it would be cancelled out by the video of Charles Duke testifying that he walked on the moon.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 7, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
I'm not altogether convinced I'll still have a country by the time the current administration runs its course. I wish that was just hyperbole, but at the moment it's a genuine and sincere sentiment.

-CryptoLutheran

I think we’re already there and by the time this administration is done we’ll be nothing more than a very wealthy Belarus. A country with a democracy in name only.

johansen · Oct 7, 2025

Lost Witness said:
Recently I had a dream..
I've asked many people about this dream and found myself at a church where I saw a brother sitting outside of the congregation and I kept wondering to myself why is he sitting there?
Is he a guest speaker or something?
Fast forward to Wednesday of this last week at men's Bible study I shared my dream I just had..which is this...
"had a dream about a dark complected man who looked middle eastern come across the street from a house just to the right of my house with his arm's opened in a friendly greeting..and he began to rub oil or something for beards into my facial hair and the whole time i keep my eyes down cast and i felt uncomfortable. but was amazed that my beard had grown as the man had rubbed the oil into my beard until it was absorbed" (psalms 133)
I got a interpretation from him then but later this last Sunday at service, he stopped me and told me he had prayed about it and he was Led to Psalms 133
I believe the Lord is seeking to address unity within the body now as I continue to see it..
The sermon at service Sunday was about Progress AND Unity.
Any thoughts?

Seems pretty self evident to me.

Speaking from experience it is often initially regarded as shameful to have an intimate experience with someone wiser than you.

Oil and beards in that context represent wisdom, life experience, discernment.

The dark complexion.. we carry with us both our own sins and the sins of others we become entangled with. Some call it an aura. The man you met in the dream was outside the congregation because he was cast out..

Yet he was the one who provided wisdom.

Your dream and this experience is pretty much straight out of the book of james.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 7, 2025

Servus said:
If they rebuked it, it was after they realized how much damage had been done to their party by their party.

Everyone on this board immediately rebuked the assassination when it happened only to be labeled just as guilty in your eyes as some random people posting to social media.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 7, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Most were NOT...there were 1000s of leftists all over social media spewing hate for Kirk and joy that he was killed. Yeah we paid attention...

You believe there’s only thousands of “leftists”? There were over 70 million people who voted for Harris in the last election so if all you can point to are “1000s” then that’s not very much at all.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 7, 2025

Fortunately, it seems the American people aren’t quite as dumb as the congressional Republicans seem to wish they’d be.

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/05/trump-government-shutdown-blame-poll

Thirty-nine percent of Americans blamed Trump and Republicans in Congress for the shutdown, compared to 30% who blamed the Democrats. Another 31% said both sides share the blame equally.
Over half (52%) of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the shutdown. Fifty-two percent also disapprove of congressional Republicans' handling of the lapse, with 49% disapproving of congressional Democrats' handling.

Zoom in: Just 23% say Republicans' positions are worth having a shutdown over. But Democrats aren't far ahead, with just 28% saying their positions warrant a shutdown. On both questions, 32% said they weren't sure.

Apple Sky · Oct 7, 2025

Lost Witness said:
Recently I had a dream..
I've asked many people about this dream and found myself at a church where I saw a brother sitting outside of the congregation and I kept wondering to myself why is he sitting there?
Is he a guest speaker or something?
Fast forward to Wednesday of this last week at men's Bible study I shared my dream I just had..which is this...
"had a dream about a dark complected man who looked middle eastern come across the street from a house just to the right of my house with his arm's opened in a friendly greeting..and he began to rub oil or something for beards into my facial hair and the whole time i keep my eyes down cast and i felt uncomfortable. but was amazed that my beard had grown as the man had rubbed the oil into my beard until it was absorbed" (psalms 133)
I got a interpretation from him then but later this last Sunday at service, he stopped me and told me he had prayed about it and he was Led to Psalms 133
I believe the Lord is seeking to address unity within the body now as I continue to see it..
The sermon at service Sunday was about Progress AND Unity.
Any thoughts?

I'm not sure what your dream mean't but it does say this in scripture.

King James Bible Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

BCP1928 said:
No, but the difference is that Conservatives want illegal cheap labor.

Then why are conservatives wanting them sent home? That makes no sense. Are you talking about Congress? Because if you are then both sides are to blame equally for not doing something about illegals.

BCP1928 said:
Illegals can be paid substandard wages and denied the protection of US labor law.

Exactly, thats why the liberals want them here. Actually its the Conservatives that are teying to get them sent home. Man, you should pay attention more.

BCP1928 said:
That's one of the issues the Left has with ICE.

I dont think so. The issues are they dont want illegals sent home. They want them to stay. And the result of that is lower wages for everyone and the ability for them to be taken advantage of. I cant tell you how often ive heard liberals say "well you better get prepared to pay higher prices then". Well, yeah. Thats the result of sending them all home and then having them come legally. All for it.

BCP1928 said:
Showily rounding up a few day laborers from Lowe's parking lot doesn't cut it.

Its a start. Perhaps the left should get out of their way and quit trying to stop them. Then we could get these laborers in here legally and fet them better pay, which would also help Americans.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
Nope, not all.

I didn’t expect you to.

rjs330 said:
Why would we?

It would go a long way to show the right doesn’t want this shutdown to continue. You seem to think this is politically useful for your side. Your answers and calling it the “Schumer shutdown” show this to be true.

Apple Sky · Oct 7, 2025

David Lamb said:
Another one of your statements with no evidence.

I do have evidence, see post 2,824

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Do you believe the GOP bear any responsibility in this shutdown?

Nope, not all. Why would we?

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
How will I know if they will arrest people for exercising their Free Speech rights if I don't exercise my Free Speech rights?

Looking forward to the next No Kings event October 18th. Will be wild.

You can't see Los Angeles for all the events. And even Catalina Island.

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Please keep it peaceful like the last time.

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

Nithavela said:
I think it's amazing that you guys aren't fleeing the USA.

Why would we flee? Because the left here is out of control in some places and being so violent?

Over what? Some illegals being picked up and sent home? Which is the governments job by the way.

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Conservative influencer Nick Sortor cleared from charges after Portland protest
While Davis and Yi have been charged with disorderly conduct, the DA's office determined that Sortor's actions were defensive and justified under the circumstances.

Yup as we all knew was true. Its the leftists there that are violent.

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Federal agents knock down elderly couple during Portland protest
Laurie Eckman, 84, said she and her husband Richard Eckman, also 84 and a Vietnam war veteran, were rushed by federal officers “for no apparent reason.” She said her husband was leaning on his walker and wearing his Vietnam veterans cap as he was pushed to the ground.

“It was totally unprovoked. It was not the kind of crowd that shouts the ‘F word.’ It was people like us, our neighbors. There were families, there were several veterans,” Laurie Eckman told The Oregonian/OregonLive. “With no warning the feds charged into us, knocked us down and sprayed us. I was hit in the head with a projectile.” [Not clear at this point, who or what was responsible for that.]

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“People have to know that we are not Antifa,” she said. “We’re just regular Portlanders who love our city, and my husband, being a Vietnam veteran, is incensed that we’re talking about war within our own country. This is outrageous, really.”

“I never thought federal officers could behave this way. I really didn’t,” she said. “I always thought people must be provoking them or something, that they would never do this unprovoked. Obviously, I was wrong.”

Oh good grief. I dont believe her. These people have been proving the agents for a 100 days straight. Maybe you shouldn't hang with those people. You want to protest go hang out across the street instead of out in the street and in front of the building where prople have been provoking agents for 100 days.

Apple Sky · Oct 7, 2025

Strong in Him said:
So why don't you ask me what I mean instead of referring to something I didn't say?

Because I thought it is what you said - Sorry if I misunderstood.

rjs330 · Oct 7, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Yes, they were putting on a show just for you.

Except they captured the people they were after. So, no show after all. The ones I putting on a show are the protestors and rioters. Showing you they are resisting "the man".

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