Valletta said:

Sen. Kennedy slams Dems' shutdown demands: 'We'll give $1.5T when donkeys fly' | Fox News Video

Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., discusses shutdown negotiations, the sentencing of Kavanaugh's would-be assassin and his new book 'How to Test Negative for Stupid' on 'America's Newsroom.'

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It's just not going to happen. As to the sentencing for trying to kill a Supreme Court justice, I do agree. The number one goal in sentencing should be to protect society.

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stevevw said:

People want empiricle evidence in a material world and testimony is seen as subjective and unreliable. But in reality it is the most powerful way humans understand the world and reality. We live it everyday.

You can say one or two people may be wrong but many and it becomes powerful.

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dms1972 said:

Ok, I was trying to grasp what you meant by literal. I am probably somewhere around Amillenialism or Classical Preterism but it doesn't matter to me a lot to be one or the other.

The Binding of Satan some would say means not total exorcism of all demons from this world as I read some say Karl Barth believed. But Barth's views on that are quite complex. He seems to have thought the demons where never angels in the first place, and sees the devil's power as the power of lie. In the regard to the latter it completely aligns with Scripture.

Is it pious opinion that the devil was previously Lucifer or is it revealed in Scripture? Thomist scholar Josef Pieper offers this thought on the subject. Right from the beginning he says the angels stood at the end of their "pilgrimage".

"Even the angels whether blessed or fallen, were once, in the strict sense, viatores, "on the way". But their "way" was not temporality (which again, does not mean they shared in the eternity of God). For the angel, the status viatoris was a single instant - "instant", too refers to time, but we are unable to think in anything but a temporal mode - an instant in which the angel was able to make an intellectual decision for or against God. From the first moment of his existence, the angel stood "at the end of his pilgrimage"; the duration of a single unpropitious act of decision separated him from his goal. For the angel, this act put an end to the status viatoris." (Josef Pieper - On Hope)​

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Probably not a reference to Satan, or the devil, in Bunyan's classic Pilgrims progress, the Pilgrim encounters two fierce lions on his journey at one point, two of his companions take fright and won't continue with him, but Pilgrim carries on and discovers the lions are chained, and that by keeping in the centre of the path and not straying to either side, they cannot reach him or harm him.

Charles Spurgeon thought the lions in Pilgrims Progress represented difficulties, or anxiety about intially joining a church, because Pilgrim encountered them when they were on the way to the house Beautiful which is Bunyan's figure for the Church.

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BCP1928 said:

That's the problem for many conservatives--deep down it's not the violence that bugs them, it's the disrespect.

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A New Dawn said:

You must seem to feel you have a lock on the ordo salutis, but the truth is, it all happens in the blink of an eye and nobody knows the precise order that God works in. I believe that all in the split second that God saves us, He grants saving faith and, BAM, the work is done. Since there is no me needing to accept or deny it, there is no conflict there.

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Vambram said:

You have not provided anything from successful non-partisan universities or from reputable government agencies.

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Pommer said:

If we just make an exception for Trump, this one time, he’ll fix it so we’ll never have to go down this road again! Somehow.

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Soyeong said:

In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are submitting to by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead for salvation. So yes, this is the faith that upholds God’s law and we are justified by.

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NxNW said:

There is no leftist violence to speak of.

Portland is peaceful. Protesters are dangling donuts in front of ICE for fun.

They call it ICE fishing.

Boy, what a violent scene.

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camille70 said:

500 hospitals, nursing homes, and clinics are now closing or at risk of closure because of the Republican bill that guts health care funding, per Protect Our Care.

Hospital Crisis Watch: Senator Murphy and Protect Our Care Mark Grim Milestone of 500 Providers at Risk of Closing or Closed Due to GOP Health Care Crisis — Protect Our Care

Protect Our Care’s Hospital Crisis Watch Map Now Shows 500 Health Care Providers at Risk of Closing Due to the GOP Health Care Crisis Washington, D.C. — Protect Our Care’s...

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A2SG said:

Hmm...not paying people who worked for you. On brand for Trump.

-- A2SG, he's consistent, gotta give him that....

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mark46 said:

???

What business should the House be doing with so many furloughed (probably including staff)?

The best place for House members is in their districts listening to their voters (ready to come back on 48-hour notice).

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fli said:

The verses were not meant to explain loss of salvation. Loss of salvation, in the post #72, you do not accept that in 2 Peter 2: 1 it clearly states that the false teachers were bought, redeemed, by Jesus. You cite no supporting scriptures to justify your statement that the false teachers were once redeemed. You just say one scripture does not prove that they, the false teachers, were redeemed.

Since you haven't explained why you do not accept that Christians can get into heaven when they are put to sleep under chastisement the first time Jesus chastises them. That is the path for a no works salvation. What do you disagree with on my explanation of that? I will again post the scriptures that explain God's path to a no works salvation.

Matthew 10:38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. NKJV

Mark 8:34 When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. NKJV

Luke 14:27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. NKJV

First Jesus does expect us to put to sleep the sins of the flesh, with His help.

As it has been explained to me bearing our cross is to put to death our self. Jesus made it plain that we are to put to death our sins, with His help, if we are to be His. Jesus has not promised us a long physical, rich or easy life on earth. He promised a free eternal life in heaven. Free because He paid the price.


1 Corinthians 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV


This is very early in the church history. In Acts 18 we read God said that there were many of His people in Corinth. In chapter 1 of 1 Corinthians Paul states quit clearly that the church was well blessed in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Because the events in verses 27 through 32, happened very early in the Corinthian Church history most, if not all, the people are being chastised for the first time. In other words, they did not become drunks after being saved. They were drunks prior to salvation.

1 Corinthians 12:10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. NKJV

There were people in Corinth that could discern spirits. If a person was causing a disturbance, by drinking the wine and getting drunk, and did not have the Spirit of Jesus they would have asked them, at the very least, to abstain from taking the Lords supper. They probably would have ejected them from the church. If they were not Christian, they would be without the Spirit of Jesus and without being chastised by God.

As Paul writes in verse 30 some went to sleep, meaning they died and went to heaven, because they did not quit drinking.

If you will, please state your objections to why a Christian can, when chastised for the first time, die and go to heaven? Please cite verses to explain your position.

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essentialsaltes said:

Speaker Johnson could open the House for business, rather than extending their vacation.

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Blindness is now out and in full action in the churches around the world.

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essentialsaltes said:

my hedging was not for nothing.

White House memo says furloughed workers might not get back pay​

Axios first reported on the memo, which was later confirmed to POLITICO by administration officials in the White House and Office of Management and Budget. They were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The memo appears to contravene the 2019 “Government Employee Fair Treatment Act,” signed by President Donald Trump during his first term after a partial shutdown that stretched over 35 days. And it paints a cloudy economic picture for the 750,000 federal workers currently under furlough.

The memo appears to contradict guidance from the Office of Personnel Management issued in September, which advises federal employees that “after the lapse in appropriations has ended, employees who were furloughed as the result of the lapse will receive retroactive pay for those furlough periods.”

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Federal workers not entitled to back pay after shutdown, budget office claims​

The top lawyer at the White House Office of Management and Budget argued that the law Congress passed and Trump signed guaranteeing back pay to furloughed workers in 2019 does no such thing, according to a new draft memo obtained by The Post.

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