Romans 8 said:

Anyone following this? Jesus is coming back in three days. No bites?

Pastor says vision told him Jesus will return to Earth this month

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Another WRONGO!

Dan1988 said:

There is no such thing as free will,

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Then none of us is guilty of anything.

Dan1988 said:

So you either accept what Christ has said or you deny it and believe your teacher instead.

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And neither decision can be said to have been made "of your own free will". I

Dan1988 said:

So it's all about Gods sovereignty, and nothing to do with your non existent "free will". tined to do

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Then we all do what we were designed/destined to do. Cool!

Dan1988 said:

Sin does not exist, until you bring it into existence.

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Which happens whenever God's will dictates

Dan1988 said:

God does not tolerate, not having His will be done.

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Kinda like saying that a software developer doesn't tolerate wehen his software does something he didn't tell it to do. But then his code can't do anything he doesn't tell it to do.

Dan1988 said:

So His will always has been done and always will be done. Nothing can happen, apart from His will. He is sovereign over ever single thing in the whole universe, everything is subject to His Ruling Authority. Your free will does not exist.

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Cool, then we needn't worry about anything. Pure determinism, and nothing at all for which we can be either praised or blamed.
Everything is equally pointless. I think I'll have another beer. Come On You Lions!

Always in His Presence said:

What percentage of your income are you willing to give for life, so the nation can have ‘free’ healthcare?

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Oh look! FOR PROFIT business really DO deliver amazing outcomes... for investors and CEOs!

Might be why American healthcare costs double the global average and delivers worse results!

I mean - the costs are ballooning out to the right of the graph, while average American lifespan (let alone 'health span') declines!

To answer your question? I'm prepared to have Australia's healthcare system cost me half.
Half of what? Half of yours.


While doing something America's healthcare cannot!
Deliver effective universal healthcare.

Oops.
See wiki

BPPLEE said:

Pressure grows on Virginia Democratic candidate to quit after violent text messages

Pressure is mounting on Virginia Democratic attorney general nominee Jay Jones to drop out of his race following leaked text messages in which he openly talks about violence directed toward former …

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“Three people, two bullets,” Jones said in a text to House Delegate Carrie Coyner (R) about Gilbert.
“Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot,” Jones wrote. “Gilbert gets two bullets to the head.”

“Spoiler: put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know and he receives both bullets every time,” Jones told Coyner.

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But. I thought we've always been told that the Democratic Party is a peaceful, tolerant party?

BCP1928 said:

No, but the difference is that Conservatives want illegal cheap labor. Illegals can be paid substandard wages and denied the protection of US labor law. If they're here on a work visa they have to be treated fairly. That's one of the issues the Left has with ICE. Except for a few staged raids they have left large corporate employers of illegal labor alone. Showily rounding up a few day laborers from Lowe's parking lot doesn't cut it.

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ICE, racing to fulfill President Donald Trump’s goal to increase deportations, has increasingly targeted work sites for immigration sweeps in recent weeks. The escalation is creating a chilling effect on the businesses that rely on immigrant labor and the workers themselves, with some staying home out of fear. America’s agriculture, construction, health care and hospitality industries are powered by immigrant workers, both legal and undocumented.
“Recent immigration enforcement raids on businesses nationwide are creating serious challenges for local economies, communities, and industries that depend on immigrant labor to operate and prosper,” said Rebecca Shi, the CEO of American Business Immigration Coalition, a group representing employers with immigrants.
(From CNN)

GoldenBoy89 said:

Do you believe the GOP bear any responsibility in this shutdown?

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No. I do not.

Strong in Him said:

1 Timothy 6:12 - take hold of the eternal life which you received .......

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Where is Timothy now? If he did actually become immortal then, why did he remain on earth as Pauls helper?
All of your "proofs', can be seen for what they are; the Promise of becoming immortal at the final Judgment.

Our lives are; to God, all about testing and the choices we make.
He has set up our world in a very clever way, so we all can choose our path in life. Basically; those who decide to ignore the plain facts of Creation and live the hedonistic lifestyle, will be discarded at the final Judgment, but those who do acknowledge God, keep His Commandments and believe in Jesus, will be given Eternal life at the GWT Judgment, Revelation 20:11-15, Revelation 21:1-7

good to see you too

BPPLEE said:

And I thought it was just rich conservatives who wanted cheap labor

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No, but the difference is that Conservatives want illegal cheap labor. Illegals can be paid substandard wages and denied the protection of US labor law. If they're here on a work visa they have to be treated fairly. That's one of the issues the Left has with ICE. Except for a few staged raids they have left large corporate employers of illegal labor alone. Showily rounding up a few day laborers from Lowe's parking lot doesn't cut it.

Dan1988 said:

Most Christians like the meek and mild Jesus, but they don't like the One who is returning as a Man of war to kill billions of people again. He is the same Jesus who will cast sinners into the lake of fire, while the beg for mercy.

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Lotta really dubious stuff in the Revelation, IMO. Kinda hard to reconcile our Lord sd we see him in the Gospels and epistles with the radically different person we see in the Apocolypse. The Savior of the World vs. the Exterminator of Humanity, Quite a jarring contrast.

Yo still have the same problem that all damnationists have with ECT; the assumption that everyone lives forever by default, Nowhere does Scripture say any such thing, Your lot find yourselves in the curious position of believing that God gives the damed the "gift" of eternal life so as to be able to torture them forever. We're told quite explicitly that the wages of sin is death, but central assumption of damnationism is that the damned Iive eternally in torment. One or both of those assertions must be untrue.

Pope Leo wearing a Saturno, etc was part of the plan to get people to believe he's a traditionalist......

joymercy said:

We have been bringing bibles and handouts with the gospel readings for each upcoming Sunday and having all manner of discussions from those readings alone.

All are invited.

Anyone else try this or want to try it?

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May you be blessed with this initiative ... it's a challenging demographics !

Semper-Fi said:

John 3:6 (KJV)​

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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And how can. you explain. what BORN. of. the SPIRIT REALLY MEANS ??

And. in verse 5. it says :

# 1 JESUS //. IOUUS. , is. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 2. ANSWERED. //. APOKRINOMIA , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the MIDDLE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , mean

you better believe it

# 3 VERILY //. AMEN

# 4. I. SAY //. LEGO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE. , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , in. the SINGULAR

# 5 UNTO THEE //. SOI. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE. PRONOUN , in. the Dative case , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 EXCEPT // ME , is. a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE ,

# 7 A. MAN //. TIS is. a INDEFINITE PRONOUN. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 8. BE BORN. / GENNAO. , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE. , in. a SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 9 OF // is. a PREPOISTION

# 10. WATER // HYDOR , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR , in. the NEUTER

# 11 AND // KAI , is. a CONJUNCATION

# 12. OF. THE SPIRIT // PNEUMA. in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR , in. the NEUTER

# 13. HE CANNOT //. DYNAMAI. , is. in. the PRESENT TENSE , MIDDLE VOICE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD

in. the SIGNULAR

# 14 ENTER // EISERCHAMAI , is. an AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE ,

# 15 INTO // EIS is a PERPOSTION

# 16. THE // HO , is. a DEFINITE ARTICLE , is an. ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR.

# 17. KINGDOM // BASILEIA is in. th ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 18. OF GOD //. THEOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR


AND MY QUESTION. is HOW are you BORN OF WATER. ??

dan p

Chesterton said:

The word is a recognition that two things are different things. A ≠ B. If I transport something to another place, that place is by definition a different place.

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yeah, but so what?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Are ALL of Israel God's children?

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Rather obviously not. People from every tribe, race, nation and language..... 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
We know from Romans 9:27, that Israel is as numerous as the sands of the sea and 1 Peter 1:1 and James 1:1 both send greetings to the Twelve Tribes, scattered abroad.
The Jews alone do not fit either of these criteria.

The truth, that God has kept hidden from general knowledge, is that the ten Northern tribes, taken to the Caucasus region by Assyria did not remain there and they migrated across Europe, Jeremiah 31:21, they now comprise most of the Western peoples and have become the Christian nations.
That God’s Plan to have a people that bear the proper fruit; as the Jews rejected Him, Matthew 21:43, HAS been successful and that Western Christians are mostly Israelites: actual descendants of Jacob, is nothing short of miraculous and shows God’s amazing Plan of sending Jesus to be our Redeemer and Saviour, to be God’s fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, Acts 7:37
Note: that Jesus came to be our Redeemer. To redeem someone means to reinstate them, to buy them back again from a fallen state.

Our destiny as born again Christians, is to be the people God has never had, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, Acts 1:8 and displaying His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14 It will be our privilege and our honour, as He showers His Spirit and His Blessings upon His righteous people, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Revelation 7:9

The acceptance of the Gospel by some Jews like Paul means that their apostasy is not total. But the bulk of the ethnic Christian Israel of God are His people who have forgotten their ancestry. In the end times, their eyes will be opened and their ears unstopped; Isaiah 32:3-4 All the true righteous and faithful Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, will be citizens of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land, but in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be the actual descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:9, Jeremiah 50:4-7

As Paul asserts: in the end "all Israel will be saved.” That is: every ethnic Israelite faithful to God, will enter the holy Land, accompanied by every faithful Christian Gentile, all members of the Israel of God, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ephesians 2:1-18, but ALL who reject Him will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Hebrews 10:26-27

ThatRobGuy said:

Ultimately, public opinion ended up organically changing on that, in part, due to the fact that the "ask" was much smaller.

"Let us get married, don't assault us, and no housing and employment discrimination"

That's a much less intrusive ask than what the modern Trans activists are asking for...

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It doesn't matter. It's quite an organic process. People realise that the sky hasn't fallen and that all the doom and gloom scenarios were just so much hot air. There'll be extremes on both sides: 'We demand this! They shall not have that!' but in the middle ground, where we live with the vast majority of society, it all becomes the norm.

The same is happening with trans. The 'men in women's sport' and 'sex changes for young children' comprise a tiny portion of the problem. And what more and more people see are others with genuine problems doing what they feel they need to do to live a happy life. And people think - how is it possible to argue against that?

Xeno.of.athens said:

What can possibly motivate you to want to be under the Law as were the Jews of Jesus' time? Surely it was not possible for them to obey the LAW so how do you think that you will obey it?

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First, the "Jews of Jesus Time", accept for Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and no doubt a few other Faithful servants of God, taught philosophies, traditions and doctrines after the Commandments of men, not God. Yes, they claimed to trust Moses and promote God's Laws that HE gave to Moses, but as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, they "say, and DO Not". They full well rejected the Commandments of God and refused to submit to His Righteousness. They were given the Oracles of God, but didn't believe in them. They didn't believe God or Moses that God sent to them. One of the most insidious lies every perpetuated by this world's religious system, who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, is the Lie that the "Jews Religion" that Paul called the religious sect of the Pharisees, was striving to Keep or obey God's Laws. The were not. From the very beginning, if you don't believe God, you will/can't not obey God. But if one truly Believes God, this man will be blessed with the promises God gave to Abraham, "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

This was confirmed by Luke's Inspired writing about Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth, who were said to have repented, like Abraham, left the religion of the world God placed them in, and as it is written "were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless". Simeon too, was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

Anna as well, a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

These were "Jews inwardly" that did not walk in the Commandments of men the mainstream religion of their time taught for doctrines. As a result, as anyone can see, they knew the Christ, and was waiting for Him and knew HIM before His Ministry even started.

While the religious leaders of the mainstream religions of the world God placed them in, with all their theologians and religious schools and church bells ringing, and public prayers and alms before men, couldn't see the Messiah even when HE was raising people from the dead right in front of them.

So Biblically speaking, this popular teaching concerning Jews and God's Laws contradicts the Scriptures. And because of that, men who adopt such philosophies cannot see what Paul is saying in Gal. 4. If a man understands that Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and John the Baptist, had "Yielded themselves" a servant to obey God, while the Mainstream Preachers of that time refused to "Yield themselves" to God, promoting instead a popular religion that persecuted men like Zacharias, Simeon and John the Baptist and the Church of God, you might come to understand Gal. 4. I would like to post it, for consideration of the topic of this thread.

Gal. 4: 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? (its prudent to note that they Law here, is the Pharisees version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" that the Pharisees, who didn't believe Jesus was the Prophesied Lamb of God, were still promoting for justification/remission of sins)

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born "after the flesh"; but he of the freewoman "was by promise".

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants ( "Order of Aaron" vs. "Order of Melchizedek") the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Order of Aaron)

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem "which now is", and "is in bondage" with her children.

So for those reading along please consider this question, even in the private confines of your home, "between Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, and the Pharisees and Scribes, which of these two were "In Bondage" to Sin and Death?

26 But Jerusalem which is above "is free", (Order of Melchizedek) which is the mother of us all.

Again, of the two examples of "Jews" spoken of in the Scriptures, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, and the Pharisees, Scribes and people who adopted the commandments of men they promoted, which one is from above, and which one is not? Which one is Free, and which one is in bondage?

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate "hath many more children" than she "which hath an husband". (And Few entereth therein)

28 Now we, (Men who have "Yielded themselves to God) brethren, as Isaac was, are "the children of promise".

29 But as then "he that was born after the flesh" "persecuted him" that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. (Who persecuted who?)

30 Nevertheless "what saith the scripture"? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, (Held in bondage to sin and Death) but of the free. (Serving the Law of God in our mind, like all the Faithful examples given to us in the Holy Scriptures, made possible by the Blood of our Lord and Savior, the "Christ Jesus".

As even Zacharias and Simeon understood some 30 + years before the death and resurrection of this same Christ.

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; "for he hath visited and redeemed his people",

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi)

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began ( Gen. 22: 8And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.)

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

( "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. )

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we "being delivered out of the hand of our enemies" (Sin and death) might "serve him" without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, "all the days of our life".

The Gospel of Christ, just as Paul taught it. "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

o_mlly said:

If all acts of rape are wrong then rape is intrinsically wrong, absolutely wrong.

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You're making the same mistake as others. To reword that:

If all acts of sexual intercourse that are committed without consent and are therefore by definition wrong are wrong then they are objectively wrong.

You've just said that if something is defined by the context as being wrong then it's wrong irrespective of the context.

Oompa Loompa said:

... atheists cannot justify the reason and find that their godless world is one of pitiless indifference where they must find reasons to maintain their happy nihilism.

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Well, I was with you right up until there.

com7fy8 said:

But I mean wrong or right, according to absolute moral standards.

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But you haven't got a 'wrong or right'. You've effectively got a 'wrong and right'. Each Christian has a different answer. How do we know who has the correct one?

Always in His Presence said:

Week two of the Schumer shutdown coming ip

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Do you believe the GOP bear any responsibility in this shutdown?

o_mlly said:

Good grief. Another one who claims the existence of God is unknowable but has no difficulty in knowing the mind of another!

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Well, he did say it out loud. One doesn't need to read minds in cases like that.