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The courts have stopped the NG in Texas as well as Portland!

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson signed an executive order on Monday establishing "ICE-free zones" on city property.

City property — including parking lots next to Chicago public schools, libraries, parks and city buildings — cannot be used as staging grounds for raids by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, under an executive order signed Monday aimed at what Mayor Brandon Johnson called President Donald Trump’s “forceful display of tyranny.”

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Wow! I wonder how that would play out in the Supreme Court?

The Australian Federal government used troops during the first months of covid to greet people at the airport and take them to a hotel for quarantine. I for one was relieved - as this was back in the early days when there was no vaccine and we did not know how our health system was going to survive the exponential growth of the disease and consequent flooding of our hospitals. That can happen so fast that soon we could have family members dying of simple things like kidney stones, or a broken leg that went gangrenous, simply because there were no hospital beds left to treat these simpler matters!

But that was when our police force WAS overwhelmed trying to deal with those recalcitrant members of our population. And Aussies were generally more respectful of the need for lockdowns than Americans raised with their 'bill of rights' and the 'right to free movement' taught to them from a young age. (I'm ALL FOR human rights - but against a Bill of Rights in this respect. But that's another lengthy matter!)

But in the USA? I'm not sure how your Federal vs State laws overlap and contradict each other in jurisdiction matters like this.
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out!

Good luck!
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Another look at the moon landing.

A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus. You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.

Believing is simply being convinced something is true.
The demons believe, and tremble.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Sometimes the government surprises me.

The Department of Homeland Security has shared a montage of ICE raids alongside clips and music from the Pokemon theme song, as the Trump administration continues to ramp up its hardline stance on immigration. In the compilation of footage, which was posted on Monday (22 September), enforcement agents can be seen arresting individuals, whilst clips of the popular anime show are interspersed throughout. The one-minute video, captioned with “Gotta Catch ‘em All!”, ends with Pokemon cards showing the people arrested and their alleged crimes.

~bella

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About THIS administration? That surprised you?
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

What you don't understand is Paul talks about two different types of death, Paul talks about two different types of laws, and you have to learn to separate between the laws and death that Paul/ talks about. Many people reads Paul's writing all the time and not understand what laws Paul is talking about. God had Peter to clearly warn people about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

This is why you must rightfully divide the word of God, you must find out where every thing fits because fit it does. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2Tim. 2:15)

Let's take a look at a perfect example of Paul/ talking about two laws in one verse. Let's go into Rom. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. Paul explains animal sacrificial law and Hebrews 10th Chapter. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, Statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
Some interpreters of Romans 3:20 suggest that Paul must be speaking of two different laws—perhaps distinguishing between the ceremonial law and the moral law. But a closer look at the text shows that this is not the case.

First, the Greek text itself does not support such a division. Paul uses the singular nomos (“law”) throughout the passage. Both the phrases “works of the law” and “through the law” are singular. There is no grammatical shift to suggest that he has two different laws in view. Paul is treating the law as one unified whole.

Second, the immediate context confirms this unity. In Romans 3:9–19, Paul has just demonstrated from a series of Old Testament quotations that all people—Jew and Gentile alike—are under sin. Then in verse 19 he concludes, “whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped.” Here, “the law” plainly refers to the Torah as a whole, functioning as God’s covenant standard. Verse 20 follows directly from this point: “For by works of the law no human being will be justified.” Paul is drawing one conclusion from one law, not from two.

Third, Paul’s real contrast in this passage is not between ceremonial and moral law, but between law and faith. He makes this explicit in verse 21: “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law…through faith in Jesus Christ.” The issue is not which kind of law could justify, but rather that no form of law-keeping justifies at all. Justification comes by faith in Christ alone.

Paul makes the same point in Galatians 2:16, almost word for word: “a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ.” There too, Paul refers to Torah as a whole—circumcision, dietary regulations, and moral commands alike. He never divides it into two separate laws to explain justification.

Finally, we should note that Jewish thought at the time did not separate the law into “moral” and “ceremonial” categories. Torah was seen as a unified covenant given at Sinai, binding in all its parts. When Paul says “the law,” his Jewish and Gentile audience would have understood it to mean that covenantal law in its entirety, not two different systems.

In light of these considerations, Romans 3:20 does not refer to two different laws. Paul consistently uses “the law” to mean the Torah in its entirety. His argument is that no form of law-keeping—whether ritual observance or moral obedience—can justify a sinner before God. The law reveals sin, but it cannot remove it. Justification comes only through faith in Christ.
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I am trying to start fresh in life, but I am experiencing immense obstacles

Hey everyone. Thank you for your prayers. Physical therapy for my knee is going well, and it is helping some, but progress is slow. I did get an injection in my knee yesterday to help with the pain.

As for everything else, I'm trying to decide whether I want to do online college or not.

I'm also going through a lot of stress with my fiancé and I.
Continued prayers!
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Are infants guilty because of Adam's sin?

because there was clearly law and transgression before Moses.
paul in my opinion mixes up "law" and "knowledge of transgression" and "law of moses" with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. and over the last half dozen years in various forums i point this out.. usually no one replies to argue he doesn't mix this up.

I think peter made the same mistake but it is not overt and to my knowledge, no one seems to be interested in arguing about peter and potentially James' positions, they would rather argue paul is correct.

So when Peter stands up at Pentecost and declares to the masses "God in former times over looked such matters but now commands everyone everywhere to repent"

well... God has always been commanding everyone everywhere to repent, and i seem to be the only person on the entire internet who has ever pointed this out (yes seriously, if you can find someone who has written some article to the effect that peter was wrong in declaring this, please link it to me) . its just a matter of.. repent to which law? the gentiles were not under the torah, but the ten commandments has always been.. pretty much self evident.
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Does reality pass the Turing test?

So the question is, does reality pass the Turing test? Does it act like a freely evolving natural world, or does it act more like an purposely designed simulation?

A Turing Test is a test against human behavior which is the standard used to pass the test.

So you're trying to test reality against the short-sighted, programmed/biased, and irrational behavior of humans?

If reality to you is "mankind's dominion" for all its flaws, short sightedness, and irrationality, then it will pass the Turing Test.

If reality is the world beyond the dominion of man, working quite unlike the flawed system of mankind, then it fails the Turing Test.
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

We have a "new" covenant, not a re-newed one.

Jesus fulfilled the old one and buried it at the cross. With His death, He started a new one that has nothing in common with the old one.
Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and the reasons he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20, and the reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify what he accomplished through the cross or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Mosaic Law.

Trying to obey moses is not obeying Jesus,.......... it's obeying moses.
Again, the same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus to turn us from our wickedness in disobedience to it, so there is no disagreement.

This is very elementary for most born again Christians.
In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again. In Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

They did that for all of august (and the last week of July).

Why is it a waste of time to work on appropriartion bills?

Why would the Dems trust a weasel like Mike Johnson?
There is no reason to trust the Republicans.

It is a matter of Democrats doing their job. It is NOT the time to repeal laws that they don't like and didn't have enough votes to defeat or to veto.

For the 70 years that I have followed American politics, it has always been right to sign a clean CR or to approve a clean bill to raise the debt limit. Obama was very clear when he was in the situation. One person to recently point this out just a few months ago was Schumer. Of course, now he cannot have the integrity of a Federer (or even of a Schumer). Instead, he must bow to the left, lest they primary him with AOC.

Elections have their consequences. Voters made the Democrats the minority. Democrats can choose to keep the government closed or they can do their job. The Republicans can wait until 5 senators cave and vote for the CR. Then Schumer will be able to say that he, Sanders and AOC stood up to the Republicans. In the meantime, Trump's folks will reorganize and furlough folks with an eye to eventually cutting another 200,000 (doubling DOGE's numbers and going a bit beyond Clinton's reduction in federal jobs. The shutdown simply makes it easier for Republicans to do what they have wanted to do since Reagan: reduce the six=ze of government, including reducing the federal responsibility for the support of safety net programs.
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After the clean CR is signed, the Democrats who voted for the CR will need to convince the Trump folks that it is in everyone's political interest to extend the subsidies and cuts to Medicaid until after the 2026 elections. If they cannot do this, the Democrats COULD have their number one issue. Of course, most Democrats won't do that. Trump will be the #1 issue.

Of course, the left and Schumer will want none of this. They will stand firm for the reversal of most of the law passed by Republicans earlier this year. But there will be enough Democrats willing to do most anything to extend the subsidies and Medicaid cuts. And they will be the heroes, not the left.
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But the BOTTOM LINE is that the Democrats could have avoided all of this, including the continuation of the tax rates simply by having Biden keep his word and drop out after the midterms in 2022. Trump often says that everything bad is Biden's fault. In many ways that is indeed true.

Biden did great things in the first two years, after beating Trump as promised, and by getting Democrats elected to the Senate and to the House. But then Biden failed America by refusing to step aside and bow out and support an open primary process. Biden's legacy of getting Trump elected will be remembered for decades.
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"Under Title X of the US Code, the President has plenary authority..."

It seems doubtful that most Americans who want to see the job of deportation done, have any problem with Trump having plenary authority in this situation. As opposed to one monkey wrench after another being thrown into the process.
I'm not sure what plenary authority over National Guard deployments has to do with deportations.
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Were Andronicus and Junia apostles?

Bearing witness to the fact of the resurrection is not the same as actually seeing the risen Christ, which is a requirement for an apostle.
I suppose to see the risen Christ you'd have to die and be resuscitated. Otherwise Jesus's Spirit can certainly manifest and be with you.

Early church fathers Irenaeus and Tertullian had an interpretation of apostolic succession.

The greater revelation of God of those who saw and heard Him in close fellowship, the 12 apostles is a firm foundation we can't match. Paul gives us hope of ability to serve despite a lack of repute or revelation of God. We can all have a revelation of God, some of us today have been taken up into the Heavenlies like Gary Oates.

Some have a remarkable impression of God in them, some who seek His hand and face, panim, at home and church, and God has filled them deeply. From King David, deep calls unto deep. And Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and He is here with us, and can reveal Himself to us in degrees.

Ephesians 4 requires apostles until Christ returns, and because of deception and wolves in rebellion to the truth, we need them as the verses say.
So there was Paul, Barnabas, Andronicus and Junias...
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

From ChatGPT:
Good question — the Biblical requirements for an apostle depend on whether we’re talking about the original Twelve Apostles, Paul, or later church-appointed messengers (the word “apostle” just means “one who is sent”). But Scripture does outline some clear qualifications, especially in the early Church.
Let’s go through them carefully:

1. For the Original Twelve Apostles

After Judas died, the remaining eleven chose a replacement — Matthias — and the Book of Acts records the qualifications clearly:
Acts 1:21–22 (ESV)
“So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.”
So the original apostolic requirements were:
  1. Personal companionship with Jesus during His earthly ministry (from John’s baptism onward).
  2. Eyewitness of the resurrection — literally having seen the risen Christ.
  3. Chosen by God (Acts 1:24–26 shows the apostles prayed for divine choice).

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)

Paul was an exception to the “followed Jesus from the beginning” rule, but even he insisted on seeing the risen Christ and being directly commissioned by Him:
1 Corinthians 9:1 — “Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?”
Galatians 1:1 — “Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father.”
Paul met Jesus in a post-resurrection appearance (Acts 9) and was specifically sent (apostellō) by Him.
Paul’s apostolic credentials:
  • Personally encountered the risen Christ.
  • Commissioned directly by Jesus (not self-appointed).
  • Confirmed by miraculous signs and the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 12:12).
  • Produced spiritual fruit and doctrine consistent with Christ’s gospel (Gal 1:11–12).

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)

In the New Testament, others are sometimes called apostoloi (messengers), though not part of the Twelve:
  • Barnabas (Acts 14:14)
  • Andronicus and Junia (Romans 16:7)
In this broader sense, an apostle was:
  • Sent out by the church or the Spirit (Acts 13:2–3)
  • Carrying the gospel with divine authority
  • Endorsed by the fruits of ministry and godly character

4. Summary Table

RequirementScriptural BasisApplies to
Witness of Jesus’ resurrectionActs 1:22; 1 Cor 9:1The Twelve, Paul
Personally chosen by ChristLuke 6:13; Acts 1:24; Gal 1:1The Twelve, Paul
Empowered by the Holy SpiritActs 2:1–4; 2 Cor 12:12All apostles
Sound doctrine and fruitGal 1:8–9; 2 Cor 12:12All apostles
Blameless conduct and humility1 Thess 2:3–6; 2 Cor 10–12All apostles
Sent to preach or establish churchesActs 13:2–3; Rom 15:19–20Broader apostleship

5. Conclusion

In Biblical terms, to be a true apostle one must:
  • Be personally called and sent by Christ,
  • Have seen the risen Lord,
  • Demonstrate signs, teaching, and fruits authenticating divine commission.
After the first generation, the apostolic office ceased in that original sense (since no one afterward could meet those eyewitness criteria). Later Christian leaders could be apostolic in mission and doctrine, but not in authority or revelation equal to the Twelve and Paul.

Would you like me to show how early Church Fathers (like Irenaeus or Tertullian) interpreted apostolic succession next?
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

Romans 2:14
When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves.

Law (Mosaic) belongs to the Mosaic Covenant applied only to the Jews.
Romans 2:13-16 saying that only the doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified, that Gentile believers are by nature doers of it, and they show that it is written on their hearts is the opposite of saying that it applies only to the Jews.

Though except for Sabbath, the other 10 commandments are mentioned by Jesus and are part of the New Covenant.
Jesus quoted Deuteronomy three times in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3, so he affirmed he affirmed God as being an authoritative source and we have no need for him to have specifically repeated everything that God has spoken in order to know that we should still obey God, which includes obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 5:12-15 in regard to keeping the Sabbath holy.

Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he would have still taught full obedience to it by example even if he hadn't repeated any laws, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

Commendments in OT serve as laws, while in the New Covenant they are teachings and commands from Jesus, in case you breakt them you given the chance to repent sincerely. Laws leave no room for repentance, you break them you are done.
The Mosaic Law came with instructions for what to do when people sinned, the prophets consistently called the Israelites to repent and return to obedience to it, and even Jesus began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it was not presented as something that left no room for repentance.

Law (Mosaic) is for God to illustrate, through His own chosen people, what God's heavenly Law (applicable to angels and humans alike) could mean such that humans can have a grasp on what God's Grace could mean. Earth is an environment where you can't abide Law to survive, and faith remains the only way out. That's what the New Covenant is for. It means we would try our best to abide by, while the Covenant would save us from where failed. Law to the gentiles is,
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith and faith is not an alternative way out. We embody what we believe about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through his works, so faith is about having the right motivation for our works, not about doing something else instead. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.
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