stevevw said:

I do accept Petries conclusion lol. Thats why I linked it to show that even 100 years ago people were noticing the advanced tech and knowledge of these ancient Egyptians.

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He was proposing technology he believed to be within the scope of Egyptian craftsmen of the time. You are not.

stevevw said:

That its no some modern whackos that are now noticing the same precision that seems out of place for the time when the lathe was not even around at that time to make these vases in the Naqada culture. Just like Petrie and others have noticed throughout history.

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BTW, the proper technical term for your "bent stick" is "boring bar," which would be the same tool used if the vases were made on a modern lathe today.

Isn't it ironic that those who shun churches are closer to truth without realizing it, in that truth comes from the Father, not tradition or an institution.

Godcrazy said:

I don`t know why Finland is different.

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We didn't forget the lessons of WW2. Added to the fact that during the Cold War, we had to balance a line between the two sides and maintain our own credible defense without any official friends in case of conflict and when the USSR fell, we didn't change. The name and government might have changed in our neighbour to the east, but the people there in power were still the same essentially. So we never got rid of compulsory service and kept it in our Constitution.

SabbathBlessings said:

So the Holy Spirit doesn’t convict us of sin? John 16:8 Sin is breaking God’s law 1John3:4

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Read my post again. I said “Those are moral laws but now we are convicted by the Spirit rather than the law itself.” Did I say that we are or are not convicted by the Spirit? Are we now convicted by the Spirit or by the law? Is a two option question so choose one.

SabbathBlessings said:

So you are not going to answer the questions. Basically I think what you are trying to say if Christians should keep 9 of the Ten Commandments forgetting the one commandment God said Remember. That’s strange.

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And you are not going to address what I wrote.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law- not a jot or tittle. Jesus has always been the Lord of the Sabbath because He is the Creator it is an everything. Col 1:16 so thats not new.

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Right and He changed the commandment which He can. The creator is grater than the creation. As Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus had the right, power, and authority to dispense it in any way He pleased. The Lord of the Sabbath had come, and with His death and resurrection He became the fulfillment of our “Sabbath rest.” The salvation we have in Christ has made the old law of the Sabbath no longer needed or binding. When Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27), Jesus was attesting to the fact that, just as the Sabbath day was originally instituted to give man rest from his labors, so did He come to provide us rest from laboring to achieve our own salvation by our works. Because of His sacrifice on the cross, we can now forever cease laboring to attain God’s favor and rest in His mercy and grace. You can’t have it both ways, either keeping the Sabbath as given to Israel is necessary for salvation or it is not? This is another 2 option question choose one.

We can write it, but few seek, and only God can open their minds to realize 2000 years of tradition does not the truth make. We sow seeds but need not expect results. That is His doing using what we have planted if it is worthy.

BCP1928 said:

I find Petrie's conclusion entirely reasonable Why don't you?

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I do accept Petries conclusion lol. Thats why I linked it to show that even 100 years ago people were noticing the advanced tech and knowledge of these ancient Egyptians.

That its no some modern whackos that are now noticing the same precision that seems out of place for the time when the lathe was not even around at that time to make these vases in the Naqada culture. Just like Petrie and others have noticed throughout history.

Yes, Biden let in too many, but that's the point: they were let in. That does not make them criminals and there is no reason to treat them as such.

Stopped_lurking said:

Which archaeologists when arguing for and presenting the orthodox methods, used vases with uncertain provenance? My guess is that they have vases with very good provenance and perhaps they compare vases with unknown provenance to those with good provenance. That is not using vases with bad provenance to argue for a new manufacturing method. You asserted that there is a double standard, I'm curious in what way?

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I think I understand the point you were making. Which was asking for examples of double standards from skeptics I mentioned. My point was that skeptics demand a higher level of evidence or criteria for supporting something than they would apply to themselves or in support of something they believe.

Not necessarily about the existing vases or their provedence. For example Olgas vases are put forward as to show that these predyanstic vases could be made by hand and simple tools. Or the method on the walls such as the bent stick method, chisels and rubbing.

So the double standard is that not only is a vase with bad provedence being used but one we know that is not made by the predynastics but a modern attempt is being used to refute the methods of these precision vases. Yet they never subject the same level of scrutiny and peer review.

But also that skeptics will use these examples and its fine. But when a similar example such as testing the vases is made to show precision. Suddenly everyone wants peer review and placing all these demands and objections that this is fakery and whackery. While accepting some backyard experimenter as gospel.

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DaisyDay said:

Were people who spoke ill of Floyd fired from their jobs and doxxed?

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Paste this question into Grok and see what you get: "Which people were fired for speaking bad about George Floyd?"

It notes that the list is incomplete since many incidents were anonymous or underreported.

Also, Grok doesn't mention Grant Napear who was fired for simply saying "all lives matter" on his radio show.

Valletta said:

Jesus never sinned. Nor have babies sinned. Psalm 112:6 For the righteous will never be moved; they will be remember forever. RSVCE

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Jesus is the ONLY one who never sinned .... that's a given. The point is/was about Mary ... yes Mary sinned.

fhansen said:

No, you inserted "imputation" into the whole narrative. Rom 5:12 sheds light on a somewhat confusing statement in 5:14:

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

So was death the consequence of sin, or was sin imputed?

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Both. . .

I.The wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23).
Sin is transgression of the law (Ro 4:3).
Where there is no law, there is no transgression/sin (Ro 4:15).
There was no law between Adam and Moses, yet they all died.
Of what sin/trangression did they die? (Ro 5:14).
They died of the imputed sin of Adam to all mankind (Ro 5:17, just as righteousness was imputed to Abraham, Ge 15:6, and is imputed to those in Christ Ro 5:18-19).

II. The rest of unbelieving mankind, in addition, dies for his own sin/transgression of the law.

Aryeh Jay said:

I can't wait! That coin will be incredible.View attachment 371066

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They should replace In God We Trust with something more appropriate like:

".....I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

keras said:

Jesus told His disciples that He would send the Holy Spirit. He remains; sitting at the right hand of God, until His glorious Return.

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Yes, the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth and understanding of things to come. That only validates Christ's promise to Thyatira. Rev 2:24But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned the so-called deep things of Satan: I will place no further burden upon you 25than to hold fast to what you have until I come.

There's nothing in scripture about Him returning to the earth in the flesh. In fact, the following verses point out that He remains in heaven forever seated at the right hand of God.
Ephesians 1:
20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Freth said:

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.​

Paul is talking about the book of the law, not the Ten.

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Wrong, Paul was talking about the whole Law--not just part of the Law. The 10 Commandments were a subset of the entire Law of Moses.

Obviously, the New Covenant draws upon the moral principles contained in the Law. But it is an *entirely different covenant.* If one wished to follow the Law of Moses, he could not just select the 10 Commandments--he had to follow all of the laws. One could not just select Sabbath Law to follow--he had to follow all of the laws, embracing temple law, priestly law, and sacrificial law.

By contrast, the New Covenant embraces Christ's own righteousness alone, and rejects all of the Law of Moses which he fulfilled in himself, and not in his observance of the Law. You don't just select the 10 Commandents or Sabbath Law to observe when you follow Christ. You only follow Christ and the love that was there in principle under the Law of Moses. It was the love of Christ himself, and not the obedience by flawed Israel under a law of temporary redemption.

Freth said:

If the book of the law/handwriting of ordinances was nailed to the cross, it does not negate the tables of stone whatsoever, as the tables were kept separate from the beginning.

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Whatever was done under the Law was part of the Law--not extraneous to it. What was nailed to the cross was everything associated with the Law. It has all been negated for the sake of our complete forgiveness.

Freth said:

In the definition of the new covenant, we still find the call not to sin.

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Yes, but the New Covenant does not define righteousness by observation of the Law. Its righteousness is defined by recognition of Christ's righteousness, independent of the Law. If our righteousness is by obedience to the Law, the Law testifies to us that we are lost.

Freth said:

I already showed that the commandments are truth in a previous post. The truth doesn't change.

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The truth is that obedience to the Law condemns all of mankind without exceptions.

Freth said:

Sin is still transgression of the law of God.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.​

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Yes, and so, the only way to avoid sin is through Christ's righteousness, and not by the righteousness of the Law. John was addressing the testimony of the Law against sin. But John also recognized that Eternal Life came by the Son of God. If we reject the Son of God that also defines the sin that leads to eternal death.

Freth said:

The commandments of God still stand.

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The commandments of the Law of Moses do not still stand. They've been nailed to the cross so as to not condemn those who have placed their trust in Christ.

The commandments that still stand are the ones Christ commands us to do, which is to believe in him and to follow his word to our hearts. The entire Law was fulfilled in love. If we follow the love of Christ we will not have to follow a Law that condemns all of mankind. We will fulfill the righteousness of Christ, which the Law had pointed to.

Freth said:

Matthew 5:17-20 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.​

Til heaven and earth pass.

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I've already pointed out to you that Jesus said this while the Law was still in effect. It is *not* still in effect, as taught by all of the apostles, particularly Paul, who recognized that the Law had never been in effect for the nations. And so, Jesus affirmed the Law, with all of its 613 requirements or so, while that covenant was still in play.

But it is no longer in play for the nations, including Israel. The Law's purpose was to show that all of mankind is condemned if they do not demonstrate faith in Christ's way of righteousness, which is very different from the Law and not based on obedience to the Law.

Jesus was saying that while the Law was in effect, the Law was inviolable--as inviolable as the universe itself. God's Law was the final word about human sin until the universe passes, and with it human mortality.

We know that what Jesus meant was not the actual annihilation of the universe but the end of the present condition of the universe, along with sin and human mortality. That is what had to change, and it did change when Christ gave us a different way than the Law of Moses.

Notice that in this passage Jesus said that *he* came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. He did not come to obey the Law or to give us a way for Israel to continue obeying the Law. Rather, he came to bring Israel and the world a different way of righteousness that *fulfills* the Law.

"I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Freth, if you teach obedience to the Law you teach heresy. You cannot teach just the 10 Commandments, a subset of the Law, or the Sabbath Law, which is part of the entire Law. If you teach the Law as a system or covenant, you are putting yourself in opposition to the New Covenant and to the righteousness of Christ, which stands clearly *apart from the Law of Moses!*

If you wish to please God it will not be by arguing for the Law of Moses. It will be by arguing for the exclusive righteousness of Christ, which existed before the world began, and clearly, before the Law of Moses. He gave the Law to Israel to prepare them for the righteousness of Christ. When they rejected him they lost everything.

Larniavc said:

And while we wait for that women keep getting raped. As I said. I would stop it straight away if I had his power.

But I don’t so women will have to keep on getting raped.

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Yes, women and all people will have to continue to deal with many forms of abuse and suffering as our Lord Himself did at our hands as well. What they decide and or choose to believe in relation to such deplorable conditions, having direct bearing upon their eternal destinies. As God has determined, far above any of our ability to control, or even really comprehend all that is involved concerning such. Although some might think they do, and judge God accordingly.

It is a good thing that God does not allow us to control the situation, as we are not able at all to see the end from the beginning, or even consider others apart from ourselves right around us, let alone all the other created beings of other worlds as well. We simply are not qualified to handle such things far, far beyond us. Though many of us think we are, and think we know enough to judge God, and even of course do a better job than He is. These people however, are simply tragically ignorant of the reality of the situation. Trusting their own extremely limited knowledge, understanding, and ability, above that of God and His written word for us regarding such things. So be it.

This also is in accordance with God's will concerning freedom of choice for all, the consequences of such regarding all creation, and the final solution to unwarranted rebellion against the benevolent authority of our Creator.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, Jesus is God, no arguement here.

When you say Jesus fulfilled the law are you saying because Jesus kept the law, does it mean we can worship other gods now, vain His holy name, murder our neighbor and steal from them etc?

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Those are moral laws but now we are convicted by the Spirit rather than the law itself.

SabbathBlessings said:

You never answered the question about is doing what God said it righteousness moral?

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Jesus changed the 4th commandment and it is no longer kept as It was given to Israel because Jesus is now the Lord of the sabbath.

stevevw said:

Flinders Petrie
"the lathe appears to have been as familiar an instrument in the fourth dynasty, as it is in the modern workshops."

Ancient Egyptian Stone Technology - Petrie - Spirit & Stone

www.theglobaleducationproject.org

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I find Petrie's conclusion entirely reasonable Why don't you?

Abraham1st said:

yes, we can have more told us why not,

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YESSS!!

Abraham1st said:

a word behind us telling us to the right side or the left, but we have love in us as Apostle did to show all he did for all in faith, with the Holy Spirit, so we cant testify about ourselves, but we share the scriptures as living example to everyone, if we are angry we did not cast it out, you have to remember that also, but there is a lot in a wicked world to make anger.

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I find it comforting to be corrected by the comforter.

Abraham1st said:

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

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Excellent choice of scripture. The Holy Spirit instructs me in The Way.

Abraham1st said:

Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

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Amen, For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Abraham1st said:

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Your post strengthened my confidence that I'm not crazy. Thank you for the edification.

Studyman said:

What is more important than "existing"? The only reason you have a voice, is because God gave you the incredible gift of "existing". There is no joy, no beauty, no holding a child or grandchild, no Love, no heat, no cold, no nothing without existence. No beginning, no end, no growth, no failures, everything you are, all your memories and experiences, are only possible because of God's incredible gift of allowing you to exist.

I am quite certain when men are raised unto life after they died, in most cases clinging to their existence with all their might right to the end, and see that there was eternal existence offered to them, that they saw it, and understood the conditions placed on it, but they rejected it. To know that it was right there in front of them, right in their own hands, but they rejected it to feed some temporary foolish lust of their own flesh. There is no doubt that men will be angry, and will gnash their teeth. When they see that they were warned over and over and over and over and over, but they were so self exalted and greedy to live after the imaginations of their own heart, that they through the chances at eternal existence away. And now there are no other chances, no path to continued existence. Jesus gives a little glimpse into this Judgment concerning many "Christians" in Matt. 7, of their reaction to this reality.

But Jesus, don't you know who we are? We created massive religious businesses and shrines of worship "in your Name". Look at all the stuff we gave you the credit for? But in the end, it still boils down to whether or not a man Glorifies God, "As God" in their existence HE gave them.

The prospect of dying again, only this time it is an Everlasting death, a death from which there is no return. No chance at eating from the Tree of Life, EVER. That's a pretty massive punishment in my view.

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Your thoughts are well developed enough to cause anyone, like David Lamb to whom you replied, to see there can be, to use your own words, “a pretty massive punishment” being applied without having to keep someone alive in ECT without any hope of escape. Yet for some, nothing short of unending ECT, of which they themselves may partake, will do.

Edit: I could be wrong but you may want to clarify your position. I take your post to mean your current position on those who die in their sins without faith to mean they die an eternal death, that is, to no longer exist. I say this because your post received a “like” from our brother Hentenza whose position is the same as David Lambs. Perhaps maybe brother Hentenza was looking liking your post for a different reason? Just an observation …

boughtwithaprice said:

Those are your teachings on the Scriptures, and not scripture itself, it is your interpretation.
To find Apostolic teaching from the ones closest to Jesus, we go back to the first and second century. Specifically we read the Didache, and Demonstration of the Apostolic preaching by Iraneus. They give a clearer picture of scriptural Christianity than a book that came along after 1860 as Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
We hold our forefathers to be more wise and intelligent in the ways of God than we are today, as they were closer to the source of the teaching
You saying that the woman of Revelation 12 is symbolic does not make your words true.
God said the Messiah would be born of a woman, we know her to be Mary. God said she would be the enemy of Satan, if she sinned, she would be his slave. Mary is an Israelite, so Messiah came from Israel, but specifically Mary
Mary is the Mother of the New Testament Church, as she gave birth to Jesus Himself who is the head of the Church. She is the first Christian and the only Christian who stood at the foot of the cross with faith.
She had spent 33 years with Jesus and raised Him from a boy. The others scattered in fear or were overcome with grief. She alone knew what her Son was doing. She held her tongue in obedience to God. She was present in the upper room when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles. She had also asked the Lord to reveal His glory in His first miracle changing water into wine.
It was Mary’s free will offering that brought Jesus into the world, as God does not force obedience to His word. Blessed are those that hear the word of God and keep it. Mary’s reply echos Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it done unto me according to your word, and Jesus was conceived the the Holy Spirit. Do we not honor this woman? How does discarding her or diminishing her bring honor to Jesus? Even sinners know the words of insult or derogation toward their mother are fighting words. Do we not offer God the same respect?

No, your interpretation is not scripture. Jesus even warns us of faulty interpretations. When He rebuked the Pharisees in John 5, He said you have the scriptures and think you have eternal life in them. Jesus said the scriptures speak of me and you will not come to me that you may have life. Just because someone has the scriptures does not mean they are properly interpreting them and on the path to life
What makes you so sure of your judgment when nearly all of Church History disagrees with you. Why do you persecute the Church and ignore God’s mother who brought Jesus to you?
In Luke, Gabriel proclaims the Lord is with her, and Psalm 45 says she stands at the right hand of Jesus in heaven. Song of Solomon speaks of the love between Mary and Jesus. Canticles 6:8-9

8 One is my dove, my perfect one is but one, she is the only one of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her. The daughters saw her, and declared her most blessed: the queens and concubines, and they praised her. 9 Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array?

Mary is the perfect one, the only one of her mother. Others call her most blessed as scripture has Mary say, all generations will call me blessed.
In the second Century, the Apostolic teaching is that Mary is the new Eve. Through the disobedience of the Virgin Eve, death entered the world. Through the obedient Virgin, Mary, man is reanimated and brought to life. Eve was called the mother of all living, yet brought death. Mary, through her obedience to God is the mother of the Church and all believers, as she is the mother of God. Is she not worthy of honor?

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"Mary is the perfect one, the only one of her mother." NOT TRUE according to scripture.

• Romans 3:23: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".
• Romans 3:10: "None is righteous, no, not one".
• Ecclesiastes 7:20: "Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins".
• 1 John 1:8: "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us".

seeking.IAM said:

Another item that will never end up in my pocket or house.

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I can't wait! That coin will be incredible.