Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

[ThatRobGuy]

I have never complained about what local folks do for one of their heroes. I will complain if it is a federal thing.

And that is their choice for those locales. Was it ordered federally?






Recognition of what was a murder by a police officer, that the officer felt he was doing what he was allowed, by writing legislation is a sensible thing to do.
There are too many folks killed by police and Floyd'd death was on TV. Those on the right are free to write bills as needed.


So?? Again, that is the decision of a local community.
I thought Floyd's funeral was overdone, but it was also a civil rights issue and he represented things that were happening.



The difference is that the federal government didn't vote for a day of remembrance for Floyd. They passed a bill banning chokeholds, but a bill for police reforms did not pass.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article312354401.html

Following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, politicians across the U.S. have advanced efforts to permanently memorialize him, including through coins, statues and official holidays. Congress designated Oct. 14, 2025, as the National Day of Remembrance for Kirk — who was shot and killed in Utah on Sept. 10 — and two House Republicans introduced legislation that would create commemorative silver dollars bearing his image. Meanwhile, state lawmakers in Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Illinois moved to establish state holidays in Kirk’s honor, while proposals in Arizona and Florida would rename highways after him. And, in Oklahoma, a bill has been put forward that would require all public universities in the state to erect a statue of Kirk. Most of these efforts, though, are opposed by a majority of Americans, according to a new YouGov poll.​

I don't care about local decisions as long as they are not opposed by the majority. I do care about federal actions. And as the poll referenced above, most oppose all these actions.

I feel like that's still splitting hairs to a degree just because of the political dynamics.

WATCH: Congressional Democrats hold moment of silence to honor George Floyd

“We're here to observe that pain,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, drawing on the nation's founding with slavery.

www.pbs.org

George Floyd activists call for Monday day of action 1 year since his death

George Floyd family members and activists call for Monday to be a day of action.

abc11.com

Biden to meet with George Floyd's family 1 year after his death as policing bill stalls

Congress is unlikely to meet Biden’s deadline on a policing reform bill.

abcnews.go.com

We had numerous members of our federal government (including the sitting president) engaging in it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Biden didn't ask for a day of Remembrance or for Floyd to be put on coinage. A moment of silence is a small thing.

There are degrees of responses between both.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Why were a bunch of politicians and a-listers (that never met or knew him) there to begin with?

Because politicians and A-listers like to show up in places that net them publicity? I've never complained about Trump et al showing up at Kirk's funeral/memorial service.

 

[Chesterton]

They are mostly to honor those who came before, who opened their hearts to the love they were given and were marginalized for, who mostly got on with the lives that they wanted to lead.

They opened their hearts? Kind of a confusing post.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Biden didn't ask for a day of Remembrance or for Floyd to be put on coinage. A moment of silence is a small thing.

There are degrees of responses between both.

Trump was president when Floyed was murdered. I don't think Biden would have.

 

[DaisyDay]

Sure, but then those who supported that shouldn't be eyerolling or suggesting it's "ridiculous" when conservative locales do it for one of their folk heroes.


Some states certainly did.

https://mn.gov/governor/assets/George%20Floyd%20Remembrance%20Day_tcm1055-528799.pdf

There were jurisdictions that ordered the flags lowered:

Jurisdiction	Details
Oregon	Governor Kate Brown ordered all state flags lowered from 11 a.m. until sunset on June 4, 2020. (opb)
New Mexico	Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham ordered state flags to fly half-staff through sundown on June 5, 2020, to honor George Floyd (Governor Lujan Grisham)
North Carolina	Governor Roy Cooper ordered all North Carolina flags at state facilities to be lowered from sunrise to sunset on June 6, 2020, in honor of George Floyd, who was a native of the state. (NC DOA)
Birmingham, Alabama (City)	Mayor Randall Woodfin ordered the city’s flag to be lowered to half-staff on May 29, 2020. (https://www.wbrc.com)

3 different bills were named after him
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There were cities that renamed parks and streets in his honor...

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They both had very public high profile memorial services attended by high-ranking politicians.


So we can't pretend if as if these 2 sets of responses to a high-profile wrongful death are lightyears apart in their intent or their response.

(to where one would be seen as completely reasonable, and the other merits an eyeroll reaction)


At best, one may be able to say the "political Pander-o-meter" from the GOP on Kirk's case was at a 9, and the Democrats on Floyd's case was at a 7.5.

Were people who spoke ill of Floyd fired from their jobs and doxxed? Did the military scan the ranks' social media postings looking for bad thoughts towards Floyd and punish any found?

 

[Chesterton]

Were people who spoke ill of Floyd fired from their jobs and doxxed?

Paste this question into Grok and see what you get: "Which people were fired for speaking bad about George Floyd?"

It notes that the list is incomplete since many incidents were anonymous or underreported.

Also, Grok doesn't mention Grant Napear who was fired for simply saying "all lives matter" on his radio show.

 

[RDKirk]

Lionized?
More like The Man who Shot Liberty Valance, the mythicized truth is TheTruth®️, “was he a saint?“
No!, ?, it doesn't matter, even he deserved ”better.”

In "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance," the killing of Liberty Valance brought moral order back to the community, regardless who actually did it. It was not an act that would have brought disrepute to either Tom or Ransom.

But Ransom, the lawyer and future senator, symbolized law and order, the very thing Tom had spent his life fighting to protect but could never personify assume. By letting Ransom take credit, Tom helped usher in the new order of law over violence. It was a moral transfer of legitimacy from the gun to the rule of law.

 

[RDKirk]

Were people who spoke ill of Floyd fired from their jobs and doxxed? Did the military scan the ranks' social media postings looking for bad thoughts towards Floyd and punish any found?

They would have if they could have.

I don't give a vicious small dog moral credit because it can't maul me as badly as a vicious big dog.

The level of capability is different, but the immorality of the intent is the same.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Were people who spoke ill of Floyd fired from their jobs and doxxed? Did the military scan the ranks' social media postings looking for bad thoughts towards Floyd and punish any found?

That wouldn't be apples to apples, as to look for institutional backlash, you'd have to look for political alignments.

Military is traditionally a right-leaning institution. So I wouldn't expect conservative critiques of Floyd-worship to draw the same ire in that realm as with the Kirk-worship situation.

Academia, on the other hand, is traditionally a left-leaning institution, and there were most certainly people in those realms who faced both personal and professional consequences (and doxxing) for going "against the grain" on certain aspects of the Floyd situation, or objecting to what BLM was trying to advance in Floyd's name.

UCLA students dox and call for firing of professor after he refuses to cancel final exam over George Floyd death

Some students at the University of California Los Angeles are demanding the firing of professors who refuse to cancel final exams over the death of George

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Charles Negy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Weber State investigating ‘abhorrent’ tweets from professor

Online petition calls for removal of professor Scott Senjo

www.deseret.com

(while this guy was saying some pretty awful things, keep in mind, this is in the context of a comparison to people posting "laugh reacts" to assassination videos, and making "Dead Fascist Dance Party" TikTok videos)


When Bret Weinstein publicly suggested that the trial of Derek Chauvin might have been “prejudged” by a “mob-influenced court,”, there were professional consequences.

 

[Hans Blaster]

When Bret Weinstein publicly suggested that the trial of Derek Chauvin might have been “prejudged” by a “mob-influenced court,”, there were professional consequences.

Weinstein is a Peter Theil employee who fancies himself an intellectual. He is in fact a physics grifter pushing a model based on an operator he "can't remember". SMH at this doof.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Weinstein is a Peter Theil employee who fancies himself an intellectual. He is in fact a physics grifter pushing a model based on an operator he "can't remember". SMH at this doof.

"Physics grifter"?... Bret Weinstein an evolutionary biologist who was a professor for 17 years (with nary an issue), and had multiple peer-viewed and frequently cited & published works until he decided to go against the grain during the "Day of Absence" controversy of 2017 (and then again later after he took some contrarian positions on covid)

Are you sure you're not confusing him for Eric Weinstein?

 

[Hans Blaster]

"Physics grifter"?... Bret Weinstein an evolutionary biologist who was a professor for 17 years (with nary an issue), and had multiple peer-viewed and frequently cited & published works until he decided to go against the grain during the "Day of Absence" controversy of 2017 (and then again later after he took some contrarian positions on covid)

Are you sure you're not confusing him for Eric Weinstein?

Right. I got the wrong dinglberry. They are both performative reactionaries, pale imitations of the type-specimen of their class, JP. Neither of them are credible political commentators.

 

[Chesterton]

Right. I got the wrong dinglberry. They are both performative reactionaries, pale imitations of the type-specimen of their class, JP. Neither of them are credible political commentators.

What are your qualifications for commenting on Christian Forums? I demand a complete and extensive CV.

 

[RDKirk]

Military is traditionally a right-leaning institution. So I wouldn't expect conservative critiques of Floyd-worship to draw the same ire in that realm as with the Kirk-worship situation.

I suspect a lot of that was CYA by local officials. Too many stupid young people even in the military don't know how to keep their opinions to themselves.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Right. I got the wrong dinglberry. They are both performative reactionaries, pale imitations of the type-specimen of their class, JP. Neither of them are credible political commentators.

It's weird how people can be respected academics for 2 decades with no issues, but as soon as they take the "wrong position" on 2 issues, all of the sudden they should be relegated to "performative reactionaries"

I'm sure that's what was going through Bret Weinstein's mind... "I'm going to throw away a $300k (guaranteed for life) tenured professor position after almost two decades, in hopes that I'll be able to be a guest on some podcasts some day"

Let's be honest here... When he was regularly refuting religious claims about creationism, not a single liberal had a problem with him. It was considered "speaking truth to power... if it offends someone, oh well". The moment he objected to a day of absence initiative in which White professors and students were encouraged to not show up for a day, that's when he found himself in progressive crosshairs.

In March 2017, Weinstein wrote a letter to faculty in which he objected to a suggestion pertaining to the college's decades-old tradition of observing a "Day of Absence", during which ethnic minority students and faculty would voluntarily stay away from campus to highlight their contributions to the college. An administrator had suggested that for that year white people stay off campus, and were invited to attend an off-campus program on race issues. Weinstein wrote that the change established a dangerous precedent:

There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space to highlight their vital and underappreciated roles ... and a group encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness, which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

Had that not happened, he'd still have been a golden boy of the progressives...at least until 2020, when he said some other things about vaccine mandates that got them bent out of shape.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's weird how people can be respected academics for 2 decades with no issues, but as soon as they take the "wrong position" on 2 issues, all of the sudden they should be relegated to "performative reactionaries"

I'm sure that's what was going through Bret Weinstein's mind... "I'm going to throw away a $300k (guaranteed for life) tenured professor position after almost two decades, in hopes that I'll be able to be a guest on some podcasts some day"

Let's be honest here... When he was regularly refuting religious claims about creationism, not a single liberal had a problem with him. It was considered "speaking truth to power... if it offends someone, oh well". The moment he objected to a day of absence initiative in which White professors and students were encouraged to not show up for a day, that's when he found himself in progressive crosshairs.

In March 2017, Weinstein wrote a letter to faculty in which he objected to a suggestion pertaining to the college's decades-old tradition of observing a "Day of Absence", during which ethnic minority students and faculty would voluntarily stay away from campus to highlight their contributions to the college. An administrator had suggested that for that year white people stay off campus, and were invited to attend an off-campus program on race issues. Weinstein wrote that the change established a dangerous precedent:

Was he fired for that?

Had that not happened, he'd still have been a golden boy of the progressives...at least until 2020, when he said some other things about vaccine mandates that got them bent out of shape.

I had never heard of him (or his brother) before they became political podcasters.

 

[Chesterton]

I had never heard of him (or his brother) before they became political podcasters.

I had never heard of you before you became a member of CF. Therefore...what? You're not entitled to an opinion because I hadn't heard of you?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I had never heard of you before you became a member of CF. Therefore...what? You're not entitled to an opinion because I hadn't heard of you?

You still haven't heard of me.

 

[Chesterton]

You still haven't heard of me.

Oof, that's even worse. You were not entitled to an opinion before, but now you're double secret not entitled.