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Love codified in the Ten Commandments

So post a verse post crucifixion that requires the Christian to follow the 4th commandment. All other 9 commandments are summarized in Jesus two love commandments except for the 4th commandment. How then do you justify your belief?
I dont have to justify my belief to you personally. I've already stated that just because Jesus didnt reiterate every single command, doesnt mean I ignore what's already been established since he also didnt say anything against it either . You can find that answer in my previous replies to you. And that's where I'm leaving it. Because I'm tired of reiterating the same thing.
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A Christian response to "No Kings."

The Supreme Court of the US ruled in favor of Trump when judges tried to rule against the executive branch, so
the article you posted is an opinion piece that failed.

Trump hasn't violated the constitution but upheld it completely.
Not every occurrence has been adjudicated by his SCOTUS. So even though you would like to summarily dismiss all complaints it is worth the time to read for anyone interested in the constitution.
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Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

It was a counterfeit faith (Mt 7:22-23), they did not, in fact, receive the life of God.
That is not a counterfeit faith, it is just a confused one, there is confusion from satan, but when things are clarified, satan flees and confusion is replaced by clarity.


Strife and envy are evidence of EVERY EVIL WORK ( to be of satan.)



James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

AND one GOOD REASON is because. John 17:12 and Matt 19:13 Are and NOT SPEAKING. to the Body of Christ. !!

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Little children believe in Christ, which little children do you think do not.

All are body of Christ, if you think not, I may just push your opinion to zero, if I feel like it.

Don't forget Jesus gave a strong warning not to offend one of those little ones that believe in Him, one such little one may be able to prove the word of belief, even have no difficulty at all in doing so and leave the difficulty on the offender, and let a certain stone grind that one to powder, being a Rock of offence.
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'Unity' with Nazi sympathizers: An ugly problem within parts of the political Right

While there is a streak of those we can all agree don't support, for example, political support for the nation/state of Israel on the right, and some have gone into conspiracy-theory land with it - that particularity exists in greater quantity on the political left, and is far more violent on the left when it comes right down to it.

I agree dialogue is in order for those who might support more political support for Israel, but they have to speak to both sides and not just single out those from one party though I do admit our own biases might have us wanting to take sides against only one political side of the aisle.

And speaking to the facts and not people condemning is super important. Calling someone a Nazi because they don't share your views on every minute detail is over the line.

That said, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. While those on the right side of the aisle might not always agree it's not like we are over here hoping for more socialism at the voting booth - quite the opposite actually - and actual Nazis and anti semites aren't being voted into office enmass.

The same cannot be said for the left side of the aisle - a full blown antisemetic communist is about to be Mayor of New York with the full and robust support of the entire democratic party - he's even got Senators stumping for him.

He wants to globalise the intifada, in New York .. enjoy that. Surely communism will be successful and not at all deadly when led by Islamic radicals.

While voices on the right might speak in accordance with their free speech there's none of them getting their shot at being evil from public office except for perhaps accidentally.

We do pray for those we see as having broad inaccuracies in their thinking but as Christians we try to speak with humility, love and kindness and try to provide a better framework, and if it's not accepted then it's not.

Change is in God's hands so if you purport to speak on behalf of God then maybe don't call people Nazis unless they actually are - an off color joke really isn't it, even if they face some judgement over it. After a group of people are falsely accused of being Nazis for a decade, there will be some joking that seems inappropriate coming from a wounded place. Seems human nature.
Amen and Quoted for the Truth
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

...are these fishing boats loaded with drugs a threat to Coast Guard resources?

Why has Trump assembled a Naval armada, including an aircraft carrier group, off the coast of Venezuela?
The Navy is assembled there to stop the tyranny of Maduro shipping fentanyl and other illegal drugs that have been KILLING hundreds of thousands of Americans.
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Evolution conflict and division

Yes, the claim that birds originated 170 million years ago is an inference, not based on direct fossil evidence. The oldest confirmed bird fossils, including Baminornis zhenghensis, date to around 150 million years ago. Any suggestion of earlier birds is a hypothesis drawn from phylogenetic models, not actual specimens.

Baminornis shows a combination of avian and dinosaurian traits, clawed fingers, a theropod-like pelvis, a shorter tail, and wings adapted for flight, making it a transitional, dinosaur-like bird, exactly what we would expect at this stage in evolutionary history.

Feathered theropods like Anchiornis (~163 Ma) and Pedopenna (~164 Ma) predate confirmed birds and show many bird-like traits, providing direct evidence that the lineage leading to birds existed in the Jurassic. Feathered ornithischians have also been discovered dating back to ~175 Ma.

Thus, the claim that birds existed 170 million years ago, while reasonably hypothesized, is not supported by fossil evidence. Baminornis provides clear transitional evidence connecting birds to theropod dinosaurs, supporting evolutionary theory.

And It’s speculative, but because feathers have been found in non-theropod dinosaurs prior to 175 Ma, some hypothesize that feathers may have even appeared as early as 200 Ma.
Well of course I believe the theory of evolution is altogether an incorrect hypothesis. As well as the deep time scenarios of hundreds of millions of years. The following video addresses some apparent problems with the dino to bird scenarios which bird paleontologists have with feathered dinosaurs, which dinosaur paleontologists seem to ignore. It also discusses the age issues we are discussing, and why Creationists do not think they work out as evolutionists portray them. Considering also that the supposed hairs which dino evolutionists claim were the beginnings I guess of evolving feathers, were not. So that if the dinosaurs you are referring to just had these hairs suggested to be evolving feathers, then they would of course be no proof of actual feathers.

Per the article you provided, grouped filaments resembling supposed "primitive" feathers, are not feathers but things presumed to possibly be early evolutionary stages of feather development. Factual science is not built upon presumptions of course, that is the realm of hypothesis or theories. This is not to mention the soft tissue remains mentioned in the article, which alone is enough for me to know that these "fossils" are not at all anywhere near hundreds of millions of years old. Evolutionists may have come to accept that soft tissues last for hundreds of millions of years now, because they must accept this due to ever more evidence of the same, but this also is most obviously presumption unto support of a theory, not factual science. And then of course there is the problem of fake fossils, another topic altogether.

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Prominent Northern Ireland cleric calls for King Charles to abdicate after prayer with pope

I think he is very anti-Catholic.

From an AI summary -

Adherence to his father's legacy:
His views are a direct continuation of his father's, Ian Paisley, who was a prominent and militant anti-Catholic figure in Northern Irish politics. His father famously used strong rhetoric against the Pope and the Catholic Church.

He's the son of his father.
Well, if his views are "a direct continuation of his father's", then you can be very sure that they are bigoted, hate-filled rants against Catholicism with viewpoints so incredibly distorted that they would be laughable if they were being presented as ridiculous parody instead of earnest seriousness.

The elder Paisley used to publish screeds against the Catholics that made Julius Streicher's Nazi rants against the Jews look mild by comparison. :mad:
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OSAS - I was wrong...again

1 Pet. 1:5, Heb. 6:19, and many other places. Almost all the writers of the NT teach eternal security, and Heb. and 2 Pet. exhorts people to make certain of it.
I answered you with all that 1 Peter 1 says and with 2 Peter, here are some more.

What sort of answer are you giving to take nothing whatsoever from those passages, apart from your own dogma.

Here they are again, I know I must be interpreting, but one good thing, you said you wont be replying again if I did not agree with you, and I did not agree, did I.




Kept through faith, through the trail of your faith, though it is tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ, who we love, believing, rejoice with unspeakable joy, and full of glory. To receive the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.



1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.




THEN BE SOBER, AND HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE TO BE BROUGHT TO US AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

AS OBEDIENT CHILDREN, NOT IN YOUR FORMER LUST IN YOUR IGNORANCE, BUT HE WHICH HAS CALLED YOU IS HOLY, SO BE YOU HOLY.

AND IF YOU CALL ON THE FATHER, HE JUDGES ACCORDING TO EVERY MANS WORK, WITH NO RESPECT OF EPRSONS, SO PASS YUR TME HERE IN FEAR.

YOU WERE REDEEMED WITH PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRISST, NOT CORRUPTIBLE THINGS, AS A LAMB WITHOUT SPOT OR BLEMISH.

SEEEING YOU HAVE PURIFIED YOUR SOULS IN OBEYING GHE TRUTH THROUGH THE SPIRIT, UNTO UNFEIGNED LOVE OF THE BROTHERS, SEE THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER WITH A PURE HEART FERVENTLY.

BEING BORN AGAIN NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE BY THE WORD OF GOD WHICH LIVES AND ABIDES FOREVER.




1 Peter 1:3 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.




That's right, you have quoted 2 Peter 1:10, as if you can privately interpret that as eternal security, when that is not what the chapter says afterwards, it says instead, that the day star has to arise in peoples hearts, as a light shining i a dark place, with illumination the scripture is correctly understood and not privately interpreted. I am sure you see all of that better now, especially as we went through what John 10 was saying, instead of not following the actual words spoken very carefully. ( AGAIN TO NOT PRIVATELY INTREPRET THEM.)



2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
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An EBT Crisis?

Take tiktok videos with a grain of salt. Some are ai.

Are we sure this is AI generated? If the prompters have racist intent, why would they put children in the video, which makes the mom a much more sympathetic character?
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B flat B♭

They can fly you too Antarctica but they wont fly over it & then you must book a special charter flight as part of a package tour, typically from South America, which lands on King George Island. These flights are highly susceptible to weather delays and are only available during the Antarctic summer season, from November to March.

The extreme cold, powerful winds, lack of infrastructure, and strict ETOPS regulations (which require twin-engine planes to be within a certain flight time of an emergency airport) make flying over Antarctica risky for commercial carriers. While commercial flights can land at specific scientific and military bases in Antarctica, they avoid flying over the continent because there are no suitable emergency landing strips in the vast, uninhabited interio
lol. In order to fly TO Antarctica you have to fly over portions of it. No frosty for the pizza.
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OSAS - I was wrong...again

In John 6 and elsewhere it speaks of "never perish," "no one can take...," etc., 1 Pet. 1:5, Heb. 6:19, and many other places. Almost all the writers of the NT teach eternal security, and Heb. and 2 Pet. exhorts people to make certain of it. So your idea that it's only taught by Paul is erroneous.
I am sure you are able to look at the verses you are talking about, as I am able and see what happens, it is reads, that the Jews did not want to doubt, and wanted to be told so they were able to believe.

Jesus tells them how, THAT HE TOLD THEM. ( BUT THEY HAD NOT BELIEVED WHAT WAS TOLD.)

Jesus reminds us all what that was, that the works He does in HIs Fathers name BEAR WITNESS of Him.

Jesus tells them the only possible reason why they do not believe, because they must not hear His voice. ( BE HIS SHEEP/HEAR HIS VOICE AS HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE.)



John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



I will leave out the part you know well, about eternal life and not being plucked out of His hand by any man.

But I will continue where Jesus speaks to THESE SAME MEN EVEN AFTER HE SAYS THEY ARE NOT HIS SHEEP.

Appeals to them YET AGAIN, and this time tries to show them in reverse, that if He is NOT DOOING THE WORKS of HIs Father, to NOT BEIEVE HIM.

But if Jesus is doing those works of the Father, even if they still do not believe Him, (AS HE HAD JUST SAID TO THEM THEY DID NOT BELIEVE/BELIEVING IS TO BE HIS SHEEP BEIEVING IN HIM THE GOOD SHEPHERD.) to BELIEVE THE WORKS, that they MAY KNOW, and BELIEVE, that the Father is in Him, and He in Him.



John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

I am only here to bring you truth, and if that brings me into direct conflict with areas of science corruption and deliberate errors and lies to suit corrupt agendas, that has to be right. That's why I put forward my 2 Ho equations to expose basic lies that prop up the fake big bang hypotheseis.

But you have ZERO way of showing that anything you've said is the truth, unless you actually put it forward to scrutiny. That's how truths are found out, that's how scientific facts are found to be fact and how theories are found to be correct.

Just going around and going "Oh. It's the TRUTH! BECAUSE I SAY SO!" is infantile, idiotic and makes you look like the prat you claim NASA is.
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Ethics of Proselytization

Does Romans 12 fit into this conversation? Must every Christian be an evangelist in word?

For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your a faith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, b do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
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"[T]his may be interpreted allegorically"

Improper use doesn't discredit having value when used appropriately. And sticking to more literalist hermeneutics certainly hasn't done much to prevent division, how many factions have spawned from the notion that the Scriptures are perspicuous?
Absolutely true.
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"[T]his may be interpreted allegorically"

Well, you're likely being silly, but in reality I do have a book on the high priestly garments. The underwear, however, is not featured prominently. ;)

You might be amazed at how God's mind operates and reveals things to those who desperately want an intimate relationship with Him. There are, I think, hidden things in the Scriptures that "kings" find out.

Proverbs 25.2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

Maureen Gaglardi, a late minister and teacher of the Gospel, wrote a series "The Path of the Just" on the Tabernacle and on the High Priestly Garments. In those books she calculated arrangements and measurements and equated them to periods of time in the history of the Church. It is truly quite amazing how she did this.

Of course, these things are not predictive prophecies, but confirmation of what God has done with careful anticipation and programming.
As silly as it sounds (and I myself found it absurd) my friend assured me that he sat through the entire sermon.
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