Pommer said:

Or legalize drug use and regulate it.
Them that want to continue to take drugs will be taking the drugs, why make it more dangerous and illegal than it needs to be?

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You want to legalize fentanyl?

Abraham1st said:

Ezekiel does not seem to be speaking about what happened when sin came into the world, but Romans 5 does, and Genesis 3 begins details on that. 5

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Eze 18:20 is speaking about sin, and Ro 5:12-19 is speaking about sin.
Our subject here is sin.

Pommer said:

How does one identify the “troublemakers”?

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By hitting them with sticks and chasing them down the road. If they run away, they're trouble makers.

States won by Trump in 2024 have received more ACA premium tax credits, and had more enrollment growth, since the subsidies were expanded. This year, 18.7 million (77%) of the total 24.3 million ACA Marketplace enrollees live in states President Trump won in the 2024 election.

Additionally, 80% of all premium tax credits ($115 billion) went to ACA Marketplace enrollees in Trump-won states.

Hvizsgyak said:

No, we are just sending troublemakers to a place where they can cool down their "tough guy" rhetoric down and learn to deal with issues in an adult manner.

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How does one identify the “troublemakers”?

SabbathBlessings said:

I was hoping to address the OP, but happy talking about this as it is important as long as it doesn't get too off topic.

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I thought this is about Israel and the New Covenant. What do you feel I've said is off topic?

SabbathBlessings said:

Today we are not to harden our hearts in rebellion, disobedience unbelief Heb 3:7-19 which is a direct quote from David Psa 95. We should not wait another day to obey God.

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Right, so long as we hear His voice; So long as He speaks to us.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus, would have let the Israelites enter into their promise land much sooner had it not been for sin rebellion and disobedience. Why they spent 40 years wandering in the wilderness during their trial and why another day of entering Canaan was spoken of.

One of the things they rebelled against in the trial of the wilderness, which sadly many continue doing so, despite being told not to follow in the same path of disobedience

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

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Well, this is what concerns me. Are you saying that if people don't work six days and rest on the Sabbath, they are rebelling against Christ and despise God's judgments?

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, the rest remains for the people of God and the rest in this verse literally translates into keeping the Sabbath

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The rest I found is in the hope of God's mercy I saw in the Love of the Christ on the cross. I'm forgiven as I forgive others who would crucify me. The Spirit of the Sabbath is remembering that it's God who sanctifies me and My faith in Christ is that God will perform the work in me that He began.

SabbathBlessings said:

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Yes, to enter into Christ rest one must ALSO cease from his works as God did from His, on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3. Why Sabbath-keeping remains for the people of God, because in God's rest there is no sin, rebellion or disobedience, Just peace.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Yes and other translations use the word disobedience which means the same thing as unbelief, sin and rebellion

Heb4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

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The letter of the law was meant to condemn sin --> Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinthians 3:6.

childeye 2 said:

Jesus said he establishes the law, not abolishes the law. His point is that the Righteousness of his Spirit is greater than the righteousness of the letter of the law.

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The law of faith is established, there is no righteousness in the letter of the law, it has sin in it. ( the law was added because of transgressions.)

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, to enter into Christ rest one must ALSO cease from his works as God did from His, on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3. Why Sabbath-keeping remains for the people of God, because in God's rest there is no sin, rebellion or disobedience, Just peace.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Yes and other translations use the word disobedience which means the same thing as unbelief, sin and rebellion

Heb4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

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To be saved, Christ had to go through the law keeper Jews to only care about our Lord Jesus Christ offending them if Jesus or anyone was on the cross on the sabbath high day, that was their love and concern, total wickedness.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.


But to be saved, Jesus Christ is a stumblngblock to that hatred, because the cross is foolishness to all who dont believe in Jesus Christ being dead then risen again.


The commandment of Christ is to love as He did, not as the Jews were to be concerned by nothing, but to be concefrned by others suffering, and to lay our lives down for our friends/the brothers.


1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;



John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.



As for rest, it is by belief, not ours by that of Christ to confirm the promises given to Abraham, which he also had being uncircumcised. To be saved is not what was done in the law, but what Jesus Christ did and for us to believe in that, that is the rest that Christ entered into and what was glorious, after He suffered and rose again.



Romans 4:12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4L20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Abraham1st said:

There is a lot of testimony outside of the Epistles, neither is it a testimony on its own, but it is speaking further details about what was already testified.

More than guilt of Adam's sin was imputed, the offence was, and those offences continued, because sin was in the world

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The sin that was in the world between Adam and Moses, before the law (Ro 5:13), is the sin of Adam (Ro 5:12)
imputed (accounted, charged) to mankind, Ro 5:17, 18-19 (just as the rIghteousness of Christ is imputed to mankind, Ro 5:8-19).

Yarddog said:

Words Matter: Illegal Immigrant, Undocumented Immigrant, or Unauthorized Immigrant?

The labels we use to refer to different classes of individuals are not merely neutral descriptors but often implicitly come with various associations or value judgments, which can, in turn, frame and influence political debates.

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Democrats want to ensure Americans can keep their health care. The part post #9 was talking about was a Democratic debate from 2019, which has nothing to do with the fact shutdown.

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I didn't say that. I was responding to someone that said I was wrong about Democrats not wanting to give health care to illegal immigrants.

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Did you read the article you posted?
”If “illegal immigrant” is imprecise and racially problematic, what term should be used instead? Pro-immigrant liberals often prefer the term “undocumented immigrant.” The nonprofit Define American, in its criticism of phrases such as “illegal immigrant” and “illegal alien,” recommends “undocumented American.”

Both illegal and undocumented are referring to the same group of people, one is not politically correct.
You said one is criminal and one is civil (Post # 28) Do you stand by that because that’s not what the article you posted says ?

Bob Crowley said:

I glanced through the Book of Mormon years ago. I gave up when every second paragraph started with "And it came to pass ...."

I think it's a work of fiction from beginning to end, with as much credibility as the Golden Plates that Smith was supposed to have found, a man with a criminal history and serial adulterer.

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I read somewhere that it was most likely an unfinished novel that some unknown person had written, and later abandoned. Ne'er-do-well Smith found it and decided to see if he could make a buck by building it up into a pseudo-religion and get rich off his followers.

He was never really the guiding force behind Mormonism anyway.....that was Brigham Young.

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I wouldn't waste my time with Mormonism. They might have a great choir but so did the Red Army.

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Bob Crowley said:

I've got an English translation of the Koran but haven't gotten around to reading it. I think there might be some wisdom to be gained from the Sufi's as they are the mystical equivalent within Islam. I believe the Enneagram derived from Sufi mysticism for example.

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I read some Sufi poetry way back when I was in college, about the tail-end of the Paleolithic Age.....but I don't remember much about it. That was long, long ago.

Cancel Netflix when Ranma 1/2 Season 2 is about to start? Madness!

Oh, wait, that's another show about a trans teenager.

Heh heh. I guess I know which side I'm on this time around, Elon.

The core of morality, that is, human conscience, is objective and will be used on the Final Judgment for (gentile) humans not choosing the New Covenant. What humans miscalculate is the angel effect posed on humans.

The big picture. The Final Heaven is about how the high intelligence angels (their existence is to participate in God's various creations, that's why they are created with high intelligence and high abilities) interacting with the low (yes, very low in comparing with that of the angels) intelligence humans. Eden is so modeled that even within God's own dwelling realm that humans (Adam and Eve) are utterly beaten by angels (the crafty snake).

Earth is the same platform modeling the Final Heaven, it's also designed for the same interaction to occur. It's in the same situation where humans are utterly defeated and completely captive under Law. The difference is that this time humans will beat the angels through Faith, such that the Final Heaven is built with both angels and humans living in. Thanks to Jesus and God. Without Jesus then, the utterly defeated humans shall be fully destroyed together with planet earth (by the Flood of Noah).

Earth is literally a hell (more precisely a wilderness, as God is where His sheep are, God hasn't yet fully withdrawn His influence), where Satan is referred to as "the god of this world". Wherever God has His influence withdrawn, such as the so-called permanent separation, the most evil and the most powerful figure will naturally and eventually rule, whose name happens to be Satan. Earth is not yet fully hell, not yet fully separated from
God simply because God still has a job to do, which is to save His sheep (falling victim in the wilderness and captive).

Earth is always with the overwhelming influence from the fallen angels, they have all the intelligence and ability to hammer our morality, especially by means of our society cultures (the guy asking question is partly right, he doesn't know what is behind the scene though). One has to dig deep inside ourselves to recover/regain our conscience which is the objective one. The simplest to get rid of this mess, where humans lost their sense of the objective conscience especially with cultural influences, is to accept the New Covenant and turn to Christ. That's the ultimate solution, unless you insist on fighting the fallen angels with might and intelligence (instead of Faith). That is to say, use your Faith instead of your might/intelligence to deal with the crafty snake, or else it's a fight humans stand no chance to win!

childeye 2 said:

James is not claiming saving faith does the works of the law to be saved. James is talking about works that are the fruit of the Spirit.

There is a transformation from the carnal mind to the spiritual mind. So, I'd say some will have more faith than others as their faith grows, but it's not proven by works of the law, it's proven by the fruits of the Spirit. If the fruits are not present in one's life, then for some reason the Spirit is not prospering in that body.

Jesus said he establishes the law, not abolishes the law. His point is that the Righteousness of his Spirit is greater than the righteousness of the letter of the law.

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We need to establish what the law is because you're conflating the term "Law". There is the spiritual law (like the 10 commandments, which is why they are called commandments) and there is the religious Law (like being circumcised and sacrifice) which the Jews had to follow. Jesus fulfill the religious requirements of the "law" that were given to the Jews by being the perfect sacrifice which is why the temple curtain tore in two. But there is no alteration from the spiritual law that God requires us to follow. The moral law (commandments) will forever be in place because without it, "lawlessness" will increase.

Hvizsgyak said:

There is nothing wrong with having order and stability. That's how civilizations work.

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"Order and stability" are a spectrum.

Arguably, American society was doing pretty good a year ago in terms of the functionality of ALL of it's members.

Seems far more dysfunctional now.

Also, if the government is rewriting and reinterpreting the law, you can't argue there is 'order and stability'. There is a targetted removal.

Mark Quayle said:

Who said anything about "automatically"? It happens by God's sayso, and no other way. Or do you think that what God has determined gets somehow undone?

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Could you please explain to me why Jesus uses these words: "will not see life" at John 3:36 and at Matthew 7:14 "the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

I would appreciate any light you can shed on the subject. I am just trying to make sense of these two scriptures.

Here's the congratulatory letter from the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church: Presiding Bishop Sean Rowe congratulates new Archbishop of Canterbury

Delvianna said:

There is saving faith and there is faith that does not save. Saving faith has PROOF which shows in our actions Paul argues this point in Romans 4.
Example: "What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 and in James
"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. " James 2:18

So in essence, faith is proven via works. Not that works are what saves you (like the law) but it proves where your heart is. True faith will want to keep his commandments, but those who practice lawlessness (sin on a continual basis) will be given this:


"And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." - James 2:23-24

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Abraham believed God and obeyed and went into the land of Canaan. Abraham is given the promises, and this is what is important, because Christ confirmed those promises. Abraham also offered his only son to God when called to offer hm as sacrifice on the alter, receiving him as a figure. ( to Christ.)

These parts are important, because all is about Christ, this is here the blessing from the curse comes from, and why we are to believe in Christ having to be made a curse for us, while hanged on the tree. So without Abraham offering Isaac, the faith would not be perfect as it would be incomplete, and voided. The same as Jesus Christ, if He did not come into the world to confirm the promises made to the fathers, no righteousness would matter for Abraham or anyone else, as it is all in what our Lord Jesus Christ did.

in that same respect, Jesus commands us to love as He loved us, by the greater love to lay our lives down for our friends/the brothers, so faith that saves has to all go together, or it is incomplete and cannot work at all unless it is finished. ( all things are what saves)

ThatRobGuy said:

What about what Biden (and a few others) had to say when they spoke a Floyd's memorial:

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A burden that is now your purpose to change the world for the better in the name of George Floyd. Joe Biden: Like so many others, I've watched with awe as you summon the absolute courage to channel God's grace and show the good man George was.

Little Gianna, as I said to you when I saw you yesterday, you're so brave. Daddy's looking down. He's so proud of you. I know you miss that bear hug that only he could give, the pure joy riding on his shoulders so you could touch the sky, the countless hours he spent playing any game you wanted because your smile, your laugh, your love is the only thing that mattered at the moment.

Because when there is justice for George Floyd, we will truly be on our way to racial justice in America. And then as you said Gianna, your daddy will have changed the world.

When were these countless of hours of being a model father? She was six at the time of his passing and lived in Houston with her mother her whole life, and he left Houston for for MN when she was 1 year old.


Now, I'm not saying that a bunch of politicians should show up to his memorial and start speaking "harsh truths" to his six year old daughter.

But I think we can both agree that was laying it on a little thick... The fact that Biden, several politicians, and several celebrities attended the service

https://www.vulture.com/2020/06/celebrities-and-politicians-attend-george-floyd-memorial.html

...shows that there was a certain "pander"/"make sure I'm sending the right message" sort of thing happening.

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Sounds like typical "funeral speak" to me - I've been at a lot of them.

Delvianna said:

There is saving faith and there is faith that does not save. Saving faith has PROOF which shows in our actions Paul argues this point in Romans 4.
Example: "What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 and in James
"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. " James 2:18

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James is not claiming saving faith does the works of the law to be saved. James is talking about works that are the fruit of the Spirit.

Delvianna said:

So in essence, faith is proven via works.

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There is a transformation from the carnal mind to the spiritual mind. So, I'd say some will have more faith than others as their faith grows, but it's not proven by works of the law, it's proven by the fruits of the Spirit. If the fruits are not present in one's life, then for some reason the Spirit is not prospering in that body.

Delvianna said:

Not that works are what saves you (like the law) but it proves where your heart is. True faith will want to keep his commandments, but those who practice lawlessness (sin on a continual basis) will be given this:

"“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:21-23

Edit: fixed the romans verse, Sorry!

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Jesus said he establishes the law, not abolishes the law. His point is that the Righteousness of his Spirit is greater than the righteousness of the letter of the law.

Servus said:

That doesn't even make any sense. Glossing over means to deliberately treat a problem as if it were unimportant or insignificant. That's the opposite of what I'm doing.

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What I meant is that you're glossing over the problems in your argument; problems that have been pointed out several times now and that you've failed to address.

ThatRobGuy said:

There are numerous non-straight characters in the show "Only murderers in the Building". I can't say I've ever encountered anyone suggesting that show is trying to indoctrinate anyone or push an agenda, it seems to be pretty well liked by everyone I've talked to on both sides of the fence. But that's because those themes aren't a focal point.

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I don't know about that show specifically, but it is not uncommon at all to find folks claiming "indoctrination" or "gay agenda" at the mere presence of lgbtq characters. I'm sure if somebody felt inclined to mine the archives here, they'd find no shortage of threads on the subject. It may have waned in recent years, but that's only because people have gotten used to it. It was very much a thing.

More broadly, lots of kids programming is deliberately preachy. That's generally what separates the better stuff from the flashy vacuousness that is so much of the rest of it. Sesame Street has been doing this for over 50 years and has been catching flak for it since the very beginning. For those who didn't click the link - it's a story from 1970 about a Mississippi state commission voting to not show Sesame Street on its state-owned tv because the state "was not yet ready" for a show with such a racially integrated cast.

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PSSST: Your authoritarian instincts are showing again.

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There is nothing wrong with having order and stability. That's how civilizations work.

Everyone is selfish to a certain extent. The effect is rather how individuals' selfishness affects the building up of a society. It all bowls down to a supply chain where people (citizens) serving as the supplier of politicians and government officials. This supply chain will be corrupted when selfishness overwhelms. How health is your society is closely tied to how many corrupt politicians and government officials as supplied by the supply chain formed from the people of that society.