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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Trump targets states that voted for Harris in shutdown fight

The White House is targeting Democratic states with its first wave of cuts to federal projects following the government shutdown, impacting billions of dollars in funding for energy and infrastructure in New York, California and elsewhere.

The cuts will impact 16 states — all of which voted for former Vice President Kamala Harris in last year’s presidential election. Vought did not identify exactly which programs would be cut in the social media announcement.

The moves reflect Trump’s intent to undermine programs benefiting Americans in blue-leaning states, while leaders from both parties work to negotiate a government funding agreement. Trump has suggested the shutdown could offer a pretense to cut programs he doesn’t like.

“We can get rid of a lot of things that we didn’t want, and they’d be Democrat things,” Trump told reporters on Tuesday ahead of the shutdown.
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Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

Good grief. Netflix has always had content that required parental guidance, or that was inappropriate for children altogether. I would never sit a 10-year-old in front of Netflix and say "Watch whatever you want; I'll be back in a couple of hours." If you don't like the show, don't watch it.

The show was rated for 7 and up.
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Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

Good grief. Netflix has always had content that required parental guidance, or that was inappropriate for children altogether. I would never sit a 10-year-old in front of Netflix and say "Watch whatever you want; I'll be back in a couple of hours." If you don't like the show, don't watch it.
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ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

Citation please.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written: “But the righteous one will live by faith.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, (In the Gospel of Christ) The just shall live by faith. (Hab. 2:4) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; "for God hath shewed it unto them".

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Deut. 32: 18 Of the Rock that begat thee "thou art unmindful", and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat "the same spiritual meat"; 4 And did all drink "the same spiritual drink": for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Col. 1: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away "from the hope of the gospel", which ye have heard, and which was preached "to every creature which is under heaven"; whereof I Paul "am made a minister;"

According to Paul, the Gospel he was set apart for, was preached before him, "to every creature under heaven".




The gospel here refers to:

“Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles in behalf of His name, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The prophets here refers to those that prophesied the coming of Christ.

That's not what Paul is teaching. Please try and separate yourself from your adopted religious philosophy for just a minute, and read what Paul actually said about the "Gospel of Christ".

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

This doesn't mean to just believe Jesus came. Demons believe Jesus came. Those Christians Jesus didn't know in Matt. 7, believed Jesus came.

That isn't the Gospel of Christ.

The implication of your religious philosophy here, that the Gospel of Christ didn't exist before Paul or Constantine, is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And of a truth, many of this world's religions who come in Christ's Name, promote a gospel that didn't exist until Constantine. But the Biblical truth is clear, the Gospel Paul promoted, had been shown to the Jew and the non-Jew since before Moses.

The early church did not persecute the Jews.

God's Church was always filled with men who were Jews inwardly, as Paul taught both Jew and Gentile. Remember, Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews". A Jew here is defined as "Children of Abraham".

The Jews were cut off the tree and the time of the gentiles ushered in.

Only disobedient Jews were cut off of the Holy Tree. Those biological Jews who who did not do the "works of Abraham", at least this is what the Holy Scriptures teach. Any Gentile who joined themselves to the Lord were part of God's Church from the very beginning.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger (Non-Jew/Israelite) sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger (Non-Jew/Israelite) that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and "thou shalt love him" as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Please read Heb. 11, and find a list of just a few men who were "Jews inwardly". These men were given the gospel of Christ, and mixed their hearing with belief, AKA "Faith".

The title of church of God refers to the Christian church.

A "church" who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, builds great massive religious businesses, and man-made shrines of worship in Christ's name, even casts out demons in Christ's Name, but lives in transgression of God's Commandments is not God's Church. You can find this understanding in the Holy scriptures, including the Words of Jesus Himself.

We are in agreement here. Even after the Bible was fully compiled the OT remains as inspired scripture. However, the scriptures are also clear that a new covenant was ushered in that replaced the old covenant so the Old Testament remains as the Old covenant no longer in force.

According to God's Definition of His His Own New Covenant, which I believe a man should consider if they want to know the Truth of God, there were only 2 things that were prophesied to change.

#1. The manner in which God's Laws were administered. No more is a person required to go find a Levite Priest to learn about God's Laws. God will write them on the hearts of those who, as Paul taught both Jew and gentile, "Repented, turned to God and were doing "works" worthy of repentance. And here we are today, with the Oracles of God in our own Homes, in our own mind. All men need is the same thing they always needed, "Belief".

#2. The manner in which Forgiveness is provided for. No longer is a man required to go find a Levite Priest and engage in the sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins. God Himself provides for the atonement. Even Abraham understood this.

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The teaching of this world's religious system, that God's Laws were against men so God abolished His own Laws, is a poplar religious philosophy of this world. But as any man can see, if they reads God's own description of his Own New Covenant, it was the Priesthood Covenant HE made with Levi on Israel's behalf, that was changed into a Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek", a incorruptible Priesthood. As God points out in His Inspired Word.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Heb. 8 confirms this.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Corruptible Priests) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬, ‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So although the Old Testament is still scripture the covenant itself no longer applies to those who the new covenant applies. The Christian is not under the Jewish laws.

This is in part true. The "Jews Religion" that Paul was a part of when they murdered Stephen, "Full well rejected the Commandments of God so they could promote their own religious traditions. Jesus said they taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. They were given God's Laws through Moses, and even told of the Prophesied Priest that was to come, but they didn't believe Moses. They, not God, placed grievous burdens on the necks of men. Their Law, not God's Law, condemned Jesus Stephen and the Prophets before them to death. So it is true that those who had "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God, and serve the Law of God with their minds, as Paul taught, and Lived by every Word of God, as Jesus taught, no longer participated or lived under "Jewish Law".

Instead they repented of following this world's religious system that has always, and will always be at enmity with God, and turned to God's Judgments, Commandments and Statutes, which are not "Jewish Laws", rather, they are the Laws many Jews rejected and were cut off because of it.

My friend, take a leap of Faith and become a "Doer" of the Jesus "of the Bibles" sayings, not a hearer only, and become renewed in your mind, that you might put on "the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Like Jesus was.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

The Democrats are wanting to repeal portions of the big beautiful bill they don’t like for their vote for a seven week extension on keeping the government open while negotiations are ongoing. This is absurd and against previous public statements by many democrats in past similar situations. If the democrats want to change law they need to win elections and give up blackmail tactics that hurt real Americans. This is backfiring on democrats and only opens the door for Trump to make more cuts in the federal workforce not a very smart move for Democrat leaders IMO.
Trump is using the extortion tactics. Saying he may close democratic agencies. Those agencies are funded by Congress and for all Americans.
The topic I spoke of in relation to this thread was about the extent of illegals using healthcare dollars. Today, Vance showed bills of illegal's emergency care. Seems Christian to want to help those folks. I think too that the hospitals will treat any emergency and eat the bill if they must. So the care will continue, its just shifting who pays to locals. If the hospitals get stuck, they will just raise the bills on everyone else. You can search various countries, the only ones that require cash up front for emergency care are the banana republics. As an American that visits such places I sure hope they treat me if for some reason because sometimes getting funds days to get the funds over. I see too that some states might give medicaid to some illegals in the usa. Ok, then that is on them. It still seems disingenous for GOP politicians to suggest that illegals getting care are what is creating the shutdown. The ceiling has been raised 78 times, it is not just the current Congreess or either party. It is all politicans that voted for spending without raising the revenue to support it. But in this round, it seems to be centered on gutting some programs and scoring political points. Why can't the GOP use Congress instead of some dubious Presidential power in all these changes?
Those who are GOP should be careful, winning some of these battles because those small victories may complicate who wins the war. Why? because people of all political persuasions like kindness and the fruit of the spirit. Of course some dems have little but if the GOP is the de facto party of most Christians, then the ugliness the GOP can hurt the Christian witness.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

I've just watched both speeches.

I thought Hesgeth's was asinine. And then I watched Trump's. I have no words that could possibly describe it. Maybe pathetic comes closest?
My thought for Hegseth was "wow, I'm listening to an internet keyboard warrior speaking live." That man must think that war is exactly like in a b-tier Hollywood movies is the impression I was left with.
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Purpose of "worship music"?

Maybe it's another thing I'll raise with the church during my meeting with them, shortly. Maybe no one says what they feel so the church doesn't really know? I don't know.
I wish you well with that. In many churches music is a sacred cow that even pastors are timid to mess with. Those involved with the music program will cling to it desperately for their opportunity to get on stage and perform. And, there will be those in the congregation who really come for the music they get to hear every week to where it seems the music is more important than the faith itself. My experience.
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US Citizens detained for hours during massive immigration raid that empties Chicago apartment building in the middle of the night

Armed federal agents in military fatigues busted down their doors overnight, pulling men, women and children from their apartments, some of them naked, residents and witnesses said. Agents approached or entered nearly every apartment in the five-story building, and U.S. citizens were among those detained for hours.

The Department of Homeland Security said federal agents with Border Patrol, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives arrested 37 people in the raid. DHS said some of those arrested “are believed to be involved in drug trafficking and distribution, weapons crimes and immigration violators.”

The feds also claimed the South Shore neighborhood was “a location known to be frequented by Tren de Aragua members and their associates,” but DHS gave no evidence to support the assertion, and authorities did not confirm that any of the people arrested were members of the Venezuelan gang.

Rodrick Johnson, 67, is one of many residents who were detained by federal agents during the South Shore raid. A U.S. citizen, he said agents broke through his door and dragged him out in zip ties.

Johnson said he was left tied up outside the building for nearly three hours before agents finally let him go.

“I asked [agents] why they were holding me if I was an American citizen, and they said I had to wait until they looked me up,” Jones said. “I asked if they had a warrant, and I asked for a lawyer. They never brought one.”

In the South Shore raid, neighbors said federal agents used flashbang grenades to burst through the building and several drones and helicopters were deployed.

[Across the street neighbor] Watson said she saw agents dragging residents, including kids, out of the building without any clothes on and into U-Haul vans. Kids were separated from their mothers, she said.

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Watson. “Even if you’re not a mother, seeing kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers, it was horrible.”

Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

  • Elon Musk urged his followers to cancel Netflix for the "health of your kids" on Wednesday.
  • Musk's posts come amid criticism by some online of a Netflix animated show featuring a teenage protagonist who is trans.
  • It's unclear whether a significant number of Netflix users have canceled.
Elon Musk had a message for his social-media followers on Wednesday morning:

"Cancel Netflix for the health of your kids."

lol, yes, instead of Netflix, I'll have my kid spend her time on Twitter/X. I'm sure that will improve her health.

I'm sure having 14 kids with 4 different women (including kids with two different women at the same time) while being an absentee dad also does wonders for a child's health. Although, in Musk's case, maybe they're better off with him being absent.

Why does anybody take this guy seriously anymore?
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President Trump Signs Executive Order to Defund NPR and PBS

I have my own library . I donated most of my actual books though and now use Kindle.
Lower income people mostly use libraries for internet access, book borrowing was something mostly middle and upper income people did
Nice flame btw
I didn't mean it as a flame about your literacy. I hadn't been in a library for 20+ years before meeting my wife, who's a voracious reader. She clears north of 130 books/yr, and buying them all would.... pose a number of challenges. She's got cards at at least three libraries, and is at one of them multiple times a week. Now that I go, too, I appreciate them for what they are. Books, sure, but movies and games, too, and loads of events, including a bunch of stuff for little kids. Ours does a bunch of giveaways, too - we go to the aquarium twice a year (as well as a couple other places) and never pay for it.
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