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AI admits that God is the answer

I just had to tell you how amazed I was at the lack of substance in this post… usually thinkers listen to everything before response~ had you done so you would know that it is grok4…

It's still a computer program parroting back things people have already said.
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Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

....I guess rounding up illegal immigrants is no longer the priority?
Or using the FBI to redact Trump's name from thousdand of documents?

The deployment, effective from Friday at 12:01 a.m., was expected to draw law enforcement officers from a wide swath of agencies across the federal government. They include: immigration police tasked with deportations, the F.B.I., U.S. marshals, the Drug Enforcement Administration and twelve other federal agencies.

It is unclear how many agents will be part of the surge and in what parts of the city. A statement from the White House said that the deployment “will be focused on high traffic tourist areas and other known hotspots,” a category that could be broadly interpreted to include much of the city.

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Gaza: In the face of horror, we cannot look away.

Outside of the Jewish community, support for Zionism is only really popular with old white folk. When the boomer generation die out, younger generations will not follow in their footsteps.
Is there a time when that has NOT been true?
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Gaza: In the face of horror, we cannot look away.

Says the person believing the Gaza Health ministry information ran by Hamas.
I actually believe the news stories reported by international 3rd parties who are witness to atrocities.

Nice try to "I know you are but what am I?"
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Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

So, given all of that as a backdrop, "the official reported stats say DC crime is down" doesn't necessarily mean
"fewer people committed crimes"
"there are fewer dangerous people on the streets"
"justice was served to a criminal"
And to be clear, you are certain that this was not considered when stating that crime rates are down or you are stating this more as a "but what if?", as if to say that crime in DC could never ever be appropriately measured so we'd never know I'd its down nor up?

This does not sound like some "new" or "sudden change" to how data is collected.
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Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

From liberty univ. Some evidence prior to Darby.
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE RAPTURE
Tom’s Perspectives
by Thomas Ice
"One of the most often cited objections to pretribulationism is that it is a new teaching in church history having only come on the scene in the 1830s. It is t church history. In the last decade, individuals have found a number of
pe cholars such as John Walvoord,1
it is significant that the Apostolic Fathers, though
posttribulational, at the same time just as clearly taught the pretribulational feature of imminence. Since it was common in the early church to hold contradictory positions
without even an awareness of inconsistency, it would not be surprising to learn that their era supports both views. Larry Crutchfield notes, “This belief in the imminent
return of Christ within the context of ongoing persecution has prompted us to broadly label the views of the earliest fathers, 'imminent intratribulationism.’”2
Expressions of imminency abound in the Apostolic Fathers. Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, The Didache, The Epistle of Barnabas, and The Shepherd of Hermas all
speak of imminency.3
Furthermore, The Shepherd of Hermas speaks of the
pretribulational concept of escaping the tribulation.
You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly.4
Evidence of pretribulationism surfaces during the early medieval period in a sermon some attribute to Ephraem the Syrian, but more likely the product of one scholars call
Pseudo-Ephraem, entitled Sermon on The Last Times, The Antichrist, and The End of the World. 5
The sermon was written some time between the fourth and sixth century. Therapture statement reads as follows:
Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepareourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? . . . For all the saints andelect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are
taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."
There is a big difference between saying the Lord is "near" and saying the Lord can come "at any time," or "on any day." Can you find early Christian statements that teach that the Lord can come "on any day" or "at any time?"

It is not a problem so much of inconsistency of doctrine but a matter of ignorance that would produce expectations that seem contrary to a post-trib view. We may have, as doctrine, the belief that the 2nd Coming and the Rapture of the Church are a single event and still think it may take place in our lifetime. We are simply ignorant of the "times and seasons" as reserved to God.

At the same time we may know that the Jewish Tribulation, or the Jewish Diaspora, must precede the return of Christ to restore Israel, or that the preaching of the Gospel to all nations must precede Christ's Return. This may take, as far as we know, 200 years or 2000 years or more. Our expectations do not have to align with clear-cut doctrine that demands a post-trib view.

We may even teach that in some circumstances the body of Christians may be able to escape certain judgments in history that are designed by God to afflict the wicked, and not the righteous. For example, God may have allowed AIDS to afflict the gay communities for their sin while at the same time warning Christians to not get too close to the gay community since this judgment is not intended for them.

Of course, such "judgments" also tend to affect the innocent, as well, just as Jesus in his innocence had to suffer the afflictions that the wicked suffer here on earth. Clearly, there are incidences in the Scriptures where God brought judgment down upon the wicked, while sparing the righteous. Consider the Egyptian plagues, where Israel was able to escape these plagues, and at the 70 AD punishment of Jerusalem Jesus' Disciples were able to escape to Pella.

These incidences do not refer to the 2nd Coming, but to events in history where God has delivered the righteous from various punishments. However, when it comes to the 2nd Coming, the judgment that the righteous are ultimately delivered from is the punishment of Eternal Death. That has nothing to do with escape from the Reign of Antichrist, since that 3.5 year period is a "reign of a wicked ruler" and not entirely a period of final punishment, which is largely reserved for the end of this period.

Clearly, the reign of Antichrist suffers signs of Divine displeasure. But it is clear that the punishment that brings his reign to an end is not the same thing as a 3.5 year or 7 year reign of Antichrist, out of which the righteous must be delivered! There are many occasions in the Bible where the righteous suffer an evil reign with its attendant signs of Divine displeasure.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

Where did He say He only calls the elect to repentance? Nowhere. The context of that passage from Mark 2 is that Jesus was dining with a bunch of tax collectors and sinners in Levi's house. The Pharisees questioned why He was doing that, thinking that they were not worth His time and attention. But, it was because He wanted them to repent and be saved. But, you deny that.
It doesnt have to say it, its a truth in scripture, God has an elect, and they are sinners, duh
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

So coming to Christ, believing in Him is impossible unless its given to a man, which corresponds to being drawn by the Father, this confirms the understanding that Faith to believe in Christ for Salvation is the Gift of God Eph 2:8 , its through and by powerful grace, and not by the ability of mans freewill. 12
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Mortal Sin?

Ewww.... some people just don't know how to read a room. We had a visiting (much older) priest once who told the joke (DURING THE HOMILY): Men open car doors for two occasions.... once to get in it themselves and two to let their mistress in.

This happened 10+ years ago, I have no idea what the homily was about, but I remember how horrified I was that a priest would tell a horrible joke like during Mass.
Did that joke draw laughter?
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AI is not the problem. We are

Its just another step in handing over power and authority to human creations. We have already seen that the internet can be used to control information by subverting it with fake facts that can seem like truth. Or will bury truth and facts in using all the tricks and manipulations of word meanings and narratives.

One way or another we end up with a pile of information that people get lost in and never really find the truth. Because the truth in not within human made creations no matter what they are.

Even the Ai overview may say God is real or the likelyhood is great this will still be seen as just one piece of information among a multitude of information where no information is truth. Its just manipulation of information and word meanings according to the programmer. The computer cannot itself be the arbitor of truth.

But then the line is becoming blurred between what is human conscious awareness from created narratives of information and language. The same people believe machines can have consciusness. So who knows where that line is.

Someone will claim the information from sophisticated Ai programs are conscious and therefore revealing the truth of reality itself. We can see how humansd are becoming part machine or machines are being interwoven into the human psyche. The line between virtual reality and reality is becoming blurred.

Its just another step to human created monsters distorting reality and the truth.
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US adults are stressed about grocery costs, an AP-NORC poll finds

Americans now face an overall average effective tariff rate of 18.6 percent, the highest since 1933, according to calculations from the Budget Lab.

“We had 2 to 3 percent average tariffs at the beginning of this year,” said Şebnem Kalemli-Özcan, an economics professor at Brown University. “It is foolish to think there isn’t going to be any economic impact, or that this is going to be all pink and rosy for the American people.”


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AI admits that God is the answer

Is this the same Mecha Hitler Grok? Maybe this AI is the inbred hick version of more generically diverse AIs?
I just had to tell you how amazed I was at the lack of substance in this post… usually thinkers listen to everything before response~ had you done so you would know that it is grok4…
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Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

They were our brothers and sisters. Yes they were at war with the North, but read the history and why the President of the United States and Congress at the time felt it was important and right.

The southern states became known as the Confederate States of America and engaged in war with the United States of America.

I am well-versed with the history of the United States, including instances where citizens renounced their citizenship, established a foreign country, and engaged in conflict with the United States of America.

So the question is, Why would the United States celebrate the heroism or sacrifice of a foreign nation's soldier?

Would it be appropriate to place a monument of Admiral Yamamoto at Prel Harbor as a gesture towards reconciliation?

Would it be appropriate to place 9/11 hijacker’s monument in DC and NYC?
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

I am utilizing a site called Blue Letter Bible ( blueletterbible.org ) because it has commentaries as well as Strong's concordance, and other useful accessories. I am saying this because I want you to know I am not relying on my own personal made-up belief when I say these things, but that I read many sources (not all that I agree with) to come up with my personal belief, and in this matter, they all agree with me, or, more importantly, they all agree with each other, and I with them. The law is not mentioned by any of them. But I'm leaving it here so you can check it out to see what's being said by the biggest scholars.

Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

I'm first going to post the Biblical usage of the word translated as "works" from Strong's.
  1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied
    1. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
  2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
  3. an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Now I am going to post some commentary responses to this verse. I'll even stay away from the obvious Reformed/Calvinist theologians.

From David Guzik :
a. If by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace: Paul left the previous verse noting that the remnant was chosen according to the election of grace. Now he reminds us what grace is by definition: the free gift of God, not given with an eye to performance or potential in the one receiving, but given only out of kindness in the giver.


b. If it is of works, it is no longer grace: As principles, grace and works don’t go together. If giving is of grace, it cannot be of works, and if it is of works, it cannot be of grace.

From Chuck Smith: We're accepted by God either by our works or by grace; it cannot be both

From Matthew Henry: Whence it takes its rise, from the free grace of God (v. 6), that grace which excludes works. The eternal election, in which the difference between some and others is first founded, is purely of grace, free grace; not for the sake of works done or foreseen; if so, it would not be grace. Gratia non est ullo modo gratia, si non sit omni modo gratuita-It is not grace, properly so called, if it be not perfectly free. Election is purely according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph. 1:5. Paul's heart was so full of the freeness of God's grace that in the midst of his discourse he turns aside, as it were, to make this remark, If of grace, then not of works. And some observe that faith itself, which in the matter of justification if opposed to works, is here included in them; for faith has a peculiar fitness to receive the free grace of God for our justification, but not to receive that grace for our election.

From Bill Acton:
  • Grace Cannot Be Mixed with Anything – Expressly Works or Merit
    1. If there is a mix – there is no more grace
    2. If there is merit – works, deserving – there is no grace
  • Works Cannot Be Mixed with Grace
    1. If grace is introduced alongside works then there is no more works
    2. If there is any undeserving favor given then there is no more works
From David Brown: "Now if it (the election) be by grace, it is no more of works; for [then] grace becomes no more grace: but if it be of works," &c. (The authority of ancient manuscripts against this latter clause, as superfluous and not originally in the text, though strong, is not sufficient, we think, to justify its exclusion. Such seeming redundancies are not unusual with our apostle). The general position here laid down is of vital importance: That there are but two possible sources of salvation--men's works, and God's grace; and that these are so essentially distinct and opposite, that salvation cannot be of any combination or mixture of both, but must be wholly either of the one or of the other.
I agree with the scholars you quoted "if it is by works it's not by grace". I think I have said that in my previous posts as well. I'm quite sure none of the scholars you quoted believe faith, repentance or confessing being a sinner is a work. I think you need to go to the far Calvinistic camp to find scholars who agree with you on this.
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How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?
God died for those who will be lost forever.

thats how he gets the glory. and there will never be a question of his love again for all eternity. Because he proved his love.
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

I had a moment of stupidity earlier in the week. The secretary emailed me the church bulletin and I somehow read the wrong Gospel passage. So I had a really good sermon idea but when I looked at the bulletin again, I realized I was off. And it's too late in the week to have her switch it. Now I've got 2 other ideas that can maybe be 1 or not. But the decision needs to happen today.

And I picked up a new booking yesterday. The church has been on my radar for over a year and they've finally decided to have me come in for a non-communion service.
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

You do realize that any attempt to "stop sinning" does not make anyone sinless, even for a nanosecond.
Of course no one is ever going to be "sinless". That's not the point. The point is the change that comes within us when one has come to true repentance/new way of thinking. And if we walk in the Spirit, it gets easier to not give into the flesh. Paul tells us this numerous times. Are you suggesting he's wasting his time?

But it appears that you think Christ and the writers of the NT (inspired by the Holy Spirit) are all wasting their time talking about repentance, renewing of one's mind, walking in the Spirit, putting God's will over our own...
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Don Trump Tilts at Windmills: Rescinds All Offshore Wind Energy Areas in the US; current leases up for review

I’ll keep this post in mind next time the 18,000 lost fast food jobs in CA get brought up.
Yeah, raising the minimum wage really helped them, but what does have to do with Wind?
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