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rapture and tribulation books

I do like your point as it is something I have never considered. In asking google ai, about John 6, I got this response which seems correct from what I also looked up.

"Attempts to reconcile John 6 with the rapture often propose that "the last day" represents an extended period rather than a literal 24-hour day. Some argue that "the last day" encompasses the entire end-times period from the rapture to Christ's return, while others suggest the rapture itself marks "the last day" of the Church Age. Another interpretation posits that the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of living believers occur simultaneously on the "last day," meaning all believers are raised together at the end of the age."
Thanks.
Most people have not considered what Jesus or the disciples believed. They choose to make their own views of what is to come.
I prefer to take Jesus at His word. I read His words as literal and so the last day is the last day. Jesus did not say that He would raise up His people over a period of time near the end. He said, 'the last day".
It also looks like the disciples also took this matter of the last day as literal too. They believed His word without twisting it.
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Trump cancels trade negoitations with Canada after a provincial government releases an ad featuring Ronald Reagan

Yesterday, Trump announced an additonal 10% tariff on Canada.

All because a provinicial government had the nerve to remind America of it's free trade principles.

Mess with the bull, you get the horns. Perhaps the Prime Minister should have more control over his country. Or we could do it for him.
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DID ANYTHING JESUS SPOKE TO ISRAEL SAVE THEM, OR IS IT ONLY WHAT JESUS DID, THAT SAVES THEM, IF THEY BELIEVED IN CHRIST CRUCIFIED?

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
So, should we literally cut off a body part that causes us to sin? No interpretation allowed, no questions asked? Taken at face value, that would mean body parts have minds of their own. If it is the head directing those body parts, then the head is what truly offends and should be removed. It seems we might need some interpretation after all.

Do you believe that in heaven we will spend eternity in the bosom of Abraham while hearing the desperate cries of those in hell pleading for a single drop of water to cool their parched tongues?

I would say that a lot of what Christ says needs interpretation by the Spirit.
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WHAT IS ROMAN 6:14 SAYING TO ALL. !!

# 1 FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 SIN // HAMARTIA. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3 SHALL // KYRIOUO. , in. the FUTURE TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the SINGULAR

# 4. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and NOT means NEVER

# 5. HAVE DOMINION. OVER // KYRIEUOV , in c the FUTURE TENSE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , means it can not , in the SINGULAR

# 6 YOU. // HYMON , is a POERSONAL POSSESSEITIVE PRONOUN. in the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 7. FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 8 YE ARE // ESTE. , is in. the PRESENT TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD . in. the PLURAL

# 9 NOT // OU . is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning Never ever

# 10 UNDER. // HYPO , is a PREPOSITION

# 11 THE LAW // NOMOS. , means the LAW of Moses. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

# 12 BUT. // ALLA is a CONJUNCATION

# 13 UNDER // HYPO. is a PREPOSTION

# 14 GRACE. // CHARIS is in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR


# A. And since we are NOT. under the Law of Moses.

# B WE do not NEED a Priest

# C. We do not NEED an ALTER

# D WE do not NEED. and LAMB. for a Sacrifice

# E. WE do Not NEED to CONFESS SINS , do it. ONLY to GOD

# F No need to. to make the SIGN. of a CROSS

# G. And you can eat MEAT on. any DAY you want

# H. No worrys about the KEEPING the Sabbath

# I And for all other questions BELIEVE the KJV. BIBLE

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In Romans 7-8:2, Paul said that the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the the law of sin, which was working within his members in order to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which was holding him captive, and which the Law of the Spirit has freed us from. In Romans 8:3-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). So verses that refer to something that would be absurd for Paul to delight in such as delighting in sin having dominion over him should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God while verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over him, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin, so you have not just justification for interpreting Romans 6:14 as saying that we are free to do what the Law of God reveals to be sin.
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WHY LAW OF MOSES. AND THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT TODAY V?

Jesus didn't have to keep the Law to nullify it. (16)
The Law was useless (18)
Jesus establishes a New Covenant which is Eternal (25) and perfect (28)


Hebrews 7

14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses said nothing concerning priests.
15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
16 who has become a priest not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.
17 For it is attested of Him,

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

18 For, on the one hand, there is the nullification of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness
19 (for the Law made nothing perfect
); on the other hand, there is the introduction of a better hope, through which we come near to God.
20 And to the extent that it was not without an oath
21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,

“The Lord has sworn
And will not change His mind,
‘You are a priest forever’”);
22 by the same extent Jesus also has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23 The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing;
24 Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
25 Therefore He is also able to save forever those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens;
27 who has no daily need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because He did this once for all time when He offered up Himself.
28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, who has been made perfect forever.
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The Lost House of Israel

you have the 10+ tribes of "israel" scattered across the world and at best 2% of them make any attempt to follow Jesus teachings.
The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43
So, does their dna matter at this point? Its quite mixed up by now.
Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

I don't think their governance on any of those things is better. I think its more oppressive.

I'm not the one running around wanting a different governance. I don't want European and I don''t want Islamic.

If you want European, go live there.

Nah I'm good. I'm sticking around.

Sorry.

-CryptoLutheran
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From laughing at to dancing with

Did you know part of why he is there is to sign the ninth peace deal in 9 months of his term?
I was specifically talking about Trump making an unexpected stop in a country that harbors terrorists and allowing the leaders of that country to board Air Force One. Had President Obama done this, the outrage from many on the right would have been off the charts.
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Who is on the Lords Side?

It will be God speaking.

The 'mark of the beast' has to be literal. Maybe an electronic chip, as many speculate.
Gods mark on those 144,000 witnesses, Isaiah 66:19, will also be visible.

You make false accusations and talk complete garbage.
By pointing out massive voids in your positional depictions?

Unlikely conclusions (again)
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

Prophecy is for Believers 1 Corinthians 14:22b
Yes, of course.
Prophecy is about forth-telling the word of God, not so much about fore telling.
A number of the prophecies had an immediate - but also a future - application. It was Jesus and the Apostles who told us when, and how, a prophecy was being fulfilled.
As I have always asked, what makes any of us believe that we have the authority to apply OT prophecies to our day?
Why are you reading words in the OT like "God's people will be gathered" and saying, "there you are; we'll all be in Israel before end times"?
Why are you reading Zechariah's words about a vision of a flying scroll and teaching that the Bible prophesied nuclear weapons?
The Bible has plenty of information on how the Lord’s plans have been fulfilled in the past and what we can expect in our future.
No, it doesn't give details about what WE - 21st century, Western Christians of the New Covenant, can expect to happen in the world.
"Wars and rumours of wars" - that has always been the case.
"Nation will rise against nation", Matthew 24:7. They did, in two world wars.
2 Peter 1:19 We confirm the message of the prophets, to which you will do well to study; it will enlighten your minds, like a lamp shining into a dark place.
Yes, of course they did.
The message of the prophets was "the Messiah is coming". His birth, ministry, betrayal, death, resurrection and more were prophesied in the OT.
On the road to Emmaus, Jesus explained to the couple how the Scriptures spoke of him - beginning with Moses and the prophets.
The message of Jesus - apart from "believe in me and have eternal life" - was that " you do not know the day", Matthew 24:42, and "the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him", Matthew 24:44.

You're expecting him in 15-20 years.
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Who is on the Lords Side?

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Trumpets don't talk iirc
It will be God speaking.
The 'mark of the beast' has to be literal. Maybe an electronic chip, as many speculate.
Gods mark on those 144,000 witnesses, Isaiah 66:19, will also be visible.
I wouldn't give much credence to anyone who hasn't factored in our adversaries into their end time pictures and fixates on physical matters.

And there is a very real spiritual reason you do not and can not factor in the adversaries into your end time sights. Totally obvious to me, yet unseen yet rejected by you. Are you seriously going to claim there is no adversary and his own in these end time narratives? HA!

It's territory that's apparently totally blocked out in your own mind and replaced with the physical fantasy of some small victory sect of people, of which you are presumably a member.
You make false accusations and talk complete garbage.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

It's crazy to me to think it's helpful to follow a 250 year old political document and think "well, this is the best we could do".

Agrarian...in the middle of the scientific revolution.....

Nuts.
That is why it is amenable.
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

Who are dead, and in any case did not prophesy about life in the 21st century.
Prophecy is for Believers 1 Corinthians 14:22b
The Bible has plenty of information on how the Lord’s plans have been fulfilled in the past and what we can expect in our future. Also, according to His plan, very few will truly understand the full scope and implications of future events. Daniel 12:10 Some reasons for this are:

1/ Those who may profess to be Christian, but in their hearts are not:
1 John 4:4-6 Believers in Christ, you belong in God’s family and you can discern false prophets because the God who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. The world listens to the teachings of worldly people, but we belong to God and whoever knows God pays heed to the truth, those who are not His people cannot comprehend the prophetic message.

Isaiah 29:13-14 The Lord says: Because this people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human precepts, learnt by rote; therefore I shall shock them and shock again and their wisdom and discernment will be lost. Matthew 7:21-23

2/ Belief in false teaching, leading to a fixed mindset of wrong ideas: Ezekiel 14:3-5
The prime example of a false teaching is the pre-tribulation rapture. This idea denies many Scriptures that say; all will be tested, 1 Peter 4:12, Luke 21:35. This leads to a careless attitude toward prophecy. If you believe you are good enough and sufficiently holy to be taken directly to heaven, then you will be judged for judging yourself. Humility and trust in the Lord’s saving grace, Isaiah 30:15, must be our attitude, not the pretentious belief of a removal from the earth to avoid any perceived difficulties. In John 17:15 Jesus asks for protection, not removal and in John 3:13 No one will go to heaven, only He who came from it.

2 Peter 2:1-3 In the past, there were false prophets among the people, just as now you will have false teachers. They will promote their theories and speculations, twisting Scripture to suit their fanciful notions. Many will follow their sheer fabrications and credulous people will make them rich and famous, but judgement waits for them: a long prepared destruction will fall upon their heads.

Jeremiah 23:16-17 The Lord says: Do not listen to your false prophets, who give you false hope and voice their own fancies, it is not the Lord’s Words they speak. They say: ‘prosperity will be yours’ and to all who follow their devious beliefs: ‘No harm will befall you’.

Isaiah 29:9-12 The Lord says: I will place My spirit of mis-understanding upon all those who are ‘drunk, but not with wine’ [that is: who allow themselves to be fooled by false teachings], so it becomes impossible for them to see the truth. Isaiah 8:16

3/ Preterism and non-literal interpretation:
To think that all prophecies have been fulfilled or they are just metaphors and allegories, is a serious error that leaves those who believe that way, without proper knowledge or understanding about the end times.

2 Peter 1:19 We confirm the message of the prophets, to which you will do well to study; it will enlighten your minds, like a lamp shining into a dark place.

4/ Denial or straight out refusal to try to comprehend the prophesies:
Ezekiel 33:31-33 My people will listen to the prophets, but they will not take any action. Fine Words, they will say but with insincerity, for their hearts are set on selfish gain. When disaster strikes, as it will, then they will know the truth of prophecy.

Isaiah 48:3-6 Long ago, I announced what will happen, but because of your stubbornness and your refusal to accept instruction, you think everything can be explained by chance or by natural occurrence. You read the Word, consider it well and admit the truth of it.

Hosea 9:7 The Day of punishment and vengeance comes and all Israel will know it. Their prophets are fools and their wise leaders are like madmen, because they are all deep in enmity with God and He will remember their guilt.

Revelation 22:7b…Happy is the person who takes to heart the Words of prophecy in this Book.
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Let’s talk about abortion and the events of the last 52 years

My fellow Catholics, I have read the rules of the forum regarding the discussion of abortion. I whole heartedly believe in Catholic teaching that it is a grave evil that is no conduct becoming saints. It is a sin and it is mortal, rendering a soul completely cut off from God and no hope of salvation without repentance

Yet God tells us to judge not, lest we be judged. Vengeance is mine says the Lord, I will repay. In our zeal against this grave evil, we have somehow lost and alienated the souls whom God desires to save. How?

What I am about to say comes from months of prayer and standing on the front lines. I have sacrificed my career as a physician to the glory of God and I count it all loss for the cause of Christ. I have been fired for refusing to participate in tubal ligations, aka female sterilizations because it violated natural law, and I had to seek work 1500 miles from home to practice my profession and faith with a clear conscience.
Even the Catholic hospital in which I now work has physicians that do not believe in Catholic teaching. I had to stand my ground and inform them that sterilizations and transgender surgeries are not to be performed in a Catholic hospital. The CEO, the Chief Medical officer and the Chief of anesthesia do not understand Catholic teaching, and told me it is above their pay grade, but miraculously deferred to my judgment and have agreed to uphold Catholic teaching. This is my thinking and the basis of what I told them.

I told them that a Catholic Hospital is a charitable organization that provides healthcare to all, regardless of race, color, creed, religion, beliefs, opinions, etc .. Healthcare is befitting human dignity. Abortion, sterilization, and transgender surgeries are not healthcare, they are religious procedures that happen to involve medicine and surgery.
Where did that come from? We cannot have a rational discussion without an agreement on the definition of terms. Satan loves unclear definitions, which is how he presents himself as an angel of light or as wearing sheep’s clothing.
It is difficult to argue against healthcare, so the abortion lobby has fought very hard to define abortion, sterilization and transgender surgeries as health care. But are they?
My definition of healthcare, I say mine because I have not heard others speak this way, is the diagnosis and treatment of disease, as well as the maintenance of normal human function.
Abortion, sterilization and transgender surgery are not healthcare because the patient has no disease. Their body functions as a normal human and a person can live a full normal life without them. They are performed because a person believes that their life will be improved by having them done, not due to any objective criteria. This makes them religious rituals and not healthcare; therefore, they have no place in a Catholic hospital.

I submit my thoughts to you, and I have shared them with my Bishop, as well as priest and pastor and spiritual director. I have received so much spiritual consolation when I think about it, as I believe we can eradicated abortion and sterilization from the USA and eventually the world more thoroughly than if we had a world wide abortion ban. This is a danger to me as it leads to delusions of grandeur. As my friends, please rip me to shreds, take apart my argument and tell me I am crazy, but I will tell you why I think that I am not.


The greatest event in the history of the western hemisphere that they do not teach us in school, not even Catholic school in the USA, is the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe to Juan Diego in 1531. The apparition resulted in 10 million conversions to the Catholic Church in just 10 years and has made Mexico one of the most Catholic Countries on Earth. What happened?
The Spanish missionaries were trying to convert the Aztecs, but did not have much success. They told the Aztecs that the missionaries were bringing them news of the true God, and the Aztec Gods were either dead or impotent. The Aztecs thought that if the Spaniards were telling the truth, then the Aztecs felt as though they should die also, along with their gods. Their primary diety was named

Quetzalcōātl​


Worship of this feathered serpent diety included human sacrifice. In 1487, there was an event where 80,400 people were sacrificed over the course of 4 days. I have heard remors that there were rivers of blood flowing from their pyramids


Our Lady appears to Juan Diego, not in power and judgement clamoring for a legal ban on human sacrifice, but as a loving mother that told them sacrifice is not needed, her Son had already sacrificed Himself for the whole world.
She appeared in such a way that the Aztecs knew she is the queen of heaven, she crushes the head of their serpent god, and she takes them all in her loving arms just as they are, respecting their culture.
It is a beautiful account and the original tilma from Juan Diego is still on display in Mexico City at the Shrine or Our Lady of Guadalupe. Please read the story, I am amazed at the account the more I read about it.

What does this have to do with abortion in the USA? The Aztecs performed human sacrifice, abortion is human sacrifice. Our Lady cried for the Aztecs and she cries for the millions of souls harmed by abortion. Take a look at the bottom of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. There is a cherub with the wings of an eagle, and the color of those wings are red, white, and blue. Coincidence? I think not

The US constitution has the first amendment which gives us freedom of religion. If we read the text of the amendment it also prevents to government from establishing a religion. How is that significant?

By calling abortion, sterilization, contraception and transgender surgeries healthcare, when they are no such thing, the government has effectively established a religion and that is unconstitutional.

This establishment has caused irreparable harm to other’s religious freedom. What is the remedy? We have the freedom of religion, if it’s defined as religious, we have no hope of banning those procedures. Maybe, but we need faith in God

If the government is guilty of establishing a religion, then any facility that receives federal or state funds would be immediately banned from performing those procedures due to the establishment clause. That means no hospital, no clinic, no surgery center, no doctors office that receives federal or state funds would be authorized to perform these procedures

People wound have the freedom of religion to do them, but they would have to pay for them themselves and find their own practitioners. Due to the establishment clause, no medical school, college, or nursing school that receives government funding would be authorized to teach them

Right now we have states that want to fund planned parenthood, unconstitutional. Obamacare forces contraceptives and sterilization and abortion , unconstitutional .

God is prochoice, because he is love. Love is not love unless it is free. The Catholic Church teaches free will, unlike the Calvinist irresistible grace.

If there is no money in it, doctors stop performing them. If it is marked as religious, women would not be as easily deceived into having them.

Scripture says, I set before you life and death. If we follow the Lord, we walk the path of life. If we wish to follow serpent gods with unrestrained lust and debauchery, there is nothing to expect except death. Your choice

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us

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