Another look at the moon landing.
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The shape of the earth has nothing to do with that..
No, but has every thing to do with space.
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The shape of the earth has nothing to do with that..
I just had to tell you how amazed I was at the lack of substance in this post… usually thinkers listen to everything before response~ had you done so you would know that it is grok4…
Tell that to Stockfish.
Is there a time when that has NOT been true?Outside of the Jewish community, support for Zionism is only really popular with old white folk. When the boomer generation die out, younger generations will not follow in their footsteps.
I actually believe the news stories reported by international 3rd parties who are witness to atrocities.Says the person believing the Gaza Health ministry information ran by Hamas.
That should apply to every state, not just the ones that would benefit Democrats. Hello Illinois!
And to be clear, you are certain that this was not considered when stating that crime rates are down or you are stating this more as a "but what if?", as if to say that crime in DC could never ever be appropriately measured so we'd never know I'd its down nor up?So, given all of that as a backdrop, "the official reported stats say DC crime is down" doesn't necessarily mean
"fewer people committed crimes"
"there are fewer dangerous people on the streets"
"justice was served to a criminal"
There is a big difference between saying the Lord is "near" and saying the Lord can come "at any time," or "on any day." Can you find early Christian statements that teach that the Lord can come "on any day" or "at any time?"From liberty univ. Some evidence prior to Darby.
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE RAPTURE
Tom’s Perspectives
by Thomas Ice
"One of the most often cited objections to pretribulationism is that it is a new teaching in church history having only come on the scene in the 1830s. It is t church history. In the last decade, individuals have found a number of
pe cholars such as John Walvoord,1
it is significant that the Apostolic Fathers, though
posttribulational, at the same time just as clearly taught the pretribulational feature of imminence. Since it was common in the early church to hold contradictory positions
without even an awareness of inconsistency, it would not be surprising to learn that their era supports both views. Larry Crutchfield notes, “This belief in the imminent
return of Christ within the context of ongoing persecution has prompted us to broadly label the views of the earliest fathers, 'imminent intratribulationism.’”2
Expressions of imminency abound in the Apostolic Fathers. Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, The Didache, The Epistle of Barnabas, and The Shepherd of Hermas all
speak of imminency.3
Furthermore, The Shepherd of Hermas speaks of the
pretribulational concept of escaping the tribulation.
You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly.4
Evidence of pretribulationism surfaces during the early medieval period in a sermon some attribute to Ephraem the Syrian, but more likely the product of one scholars call
Pseudo-Ephraem, entitled Sermon on The Last Times, The Antichrist, and The End of the World. 5
The sermon was written some time between the fourth and sixth century. Therapture statement reads as follows:
Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepareourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? . . . For all the saints andelect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are
taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."
It doesnt have to say it, its a truth in scripture, God has an elect, and they are sinners, duhWhere did He say He only calls the elect to repentance? Nowhere. The context of that passage from Mark 2 is that Jesus was dining with a bunch of tax collectors and sinners in Levi's house. The Pharisees questioned why He was doing that, thinking that they were not worth His time and attention. But, it was because He wanted them to repent and be saved. But, you deny that.
Sorry, who is playing whose game?So he's still playing their game I see.
Did that joke draw laughter?Ewww.... some people just don't know how to read a room. We had a visiting (much older) priest once who told the joke (DURING THE HOMILY): Men open car doors for two occasions.... once to get in it themselves and two to let their mistress in.
This happened 10+ years ago, I have no idea what the homily was about, but I remember how horrified I was that a priest would tell a horrible joke like during Mass.
I just had to tell you how amazed I was at the lack of substance in this post… usually thinkers listen to everything before response~ had you done so you would know that it is grok4…Is this the same Mecha Hitler Grok? Maybe this AI is the inbred hick version of more generically diverse AIs?
The devil is àt war with God; that's why Paul wrote about spiritual warfar.No, it is about the war against God.
They were our brothers and sisters. Yes they were at war with the North, but read the history and why the President of the United States and Congress at the time felt it was important and right.
I agree with the scholars you quoted "if it is by works it's not by grace". I think I have said that in my previous posts as well. I'm quite sure none of the scholars you quoted believe faith, repentance or confessing being a sinner is a work. I think you need to go to the far Calvinistic camp to find scholars who agree with you on this.I am utilizing a site called Blue Letter Bible ( blueletterbible.org ) because it has commentaries as well as Strong's concordance, and other useful accessories. I am saying this because I want you to know I am not relying on my own personal made-up belief when I say these things, but that I read many sources (not all that I agree with) to come up with my personal belief, and in this matter, they all agree with me, or, more importantly, they all agree with each other, and I with them. The law is not mentioned by any of them. But I'm leaving it here so you can check it out to see what's being said by the biggest scholars.
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
I'm first going to post the Biblical usage of the word translated as "works" from Strong's.
Now I am going to post some commentary responses to this verse. I'll even stay away from the obvious Reformed/Calvinist theologians.
- business, employment, that which any one is occupied
- that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
- any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
- an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
From David Guzik :
a. If by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace: Paul left the previous verse noting that the remnant was chosen according to the election of grace. Now he reminds us what grace is by definition: the free gift of God, not given with an eye to performance or potential in the one receiving, but given only out of kindness in the giver.
b. If it is of works, it is no longer grace: As principles, grace and works don’t go together. If giving is of grace, it cannot be of works, and if it is of works, it cannot be of grace.
From Chuck Smith: We're accepted by God either by our works or by grace; it cannot be both
From Matthew Henry: Whence it takes its rise, from the free grace of God (v. 6), that grace which excludes works. The eternal election, in which the difference between some and others is first founded, is purely of grace, free grace; not for the sake of works done or foreseen; if so, it would not be grace. Gratia non est ullo modo gratia, si non sit omni modo gratuita-It is not grace, properly so called, if it be not perfectly free. Election is purely according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph. 1:5. Paul's heart was so full of the freeness of God's grace that in the midst of his discourse he turns aside, as it were, to make this remark, If of grace, then not of works. And some observe that faith itself, which in the matter of justification if opposed to works, is here included in them; for faith has a peculiar fitness to receive the free grace of God for our justification, but not to receive that grace for our election.
From Bill Acton:
From David Brown: "Now if it (the election) be by grace, it is no more of works; for [then] grace becomes no more grace: but if it be of works," &c. (The authority of ancient manuscripts against this latter clause, as superfluous and not originally in the text, though strong, is not sufficient, we think, to justify its exclusion. Such seeming redundancies are not unusual with our apostle). The general position here laid down is of vital importance: That there are but two possible sources of salvation--men's works, and God's grace; and that these are so essentially distinct and opposite, that salvation cannot be of any combination or mixture of both, but must be wholly either of the one or of the other.
- Grace Cannot Be Mixed with Anything – Expressly Works or Merit
- If there is a mix – there is no more grace
- If there is merit – works, deserving – there is no grace
- Works Cannot Be Mixed with Grace
- If grace is introduced alongside works then there is no more works
- If there is any undeserving favor given then there is no more works
God died for those who will be lost forever.If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?
Of course no one is ever going to be "sinless". That's not the point. The point is the change that comes within us when one has come to true repentance/new way of thinking. And if we walk in the Spirit, it gets easier to not give into the flesh. Paul tells us this numerous times. Are you suggesting he's wasting his time?You do realize that any attempt to "stop sinning" does not make anyone sinless, even for a nanosecond.
Yeah, raising the minimum wage really helped them, but what does have to do with Wind?I’ll keep this post in mind next time the 18,000 lost fast food jobs in CA get brought up.