Hentenza said:

Absolutely. Not only do I have access to my father in law’s archives including the design drawings of the lunar module legs, the witness of his engineer friends that worked with him at nasa, the pictures of astronauts and of the moon.

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Sorry - But this proves nothing.

Hentenza said:

As an engineer I worked for Boing for a bit and worked on components of the space shuttle in the mid eighties.

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I commend you for this but it still doesn't convince me.

Aaron112 said:

It is better to avoid discussion about false gospels, false teachings, heresies and such ---- all those things being of and from the devil and it is dangerous like trying to get a footing in quicksand!

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Not sure it is better. I'm not having this discussion to learn about preterism. My beliefs about Bible prophecy are sealed up. I'm having it because I want to know if people who call them heretics really know what they are talking about. So far I'm seeing tribalism at play.

I'm sorry you can't see this:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Why am I saying John 3:17 is not Christian doctrine? Very simply because 90% of the USA's pulpits contradict it in their teachings. What teachings are those one might ask? You will figure it out with a quick examination of the passage. The Greek word for world in this verse is kosmos. The very same word that most pulpits in America teach God will judge and destroy in the future. That brings us to the Greek word for condemn. It basically means to pass a judicial sentence and carry that sentence out. The word saved is in the general sense because the kosmos cannot be given eternal life. It means healed, preserved, delivered out of a place danger into a place of safety. So the passage literally says God sent Jesus to heal the world rather than condemning it to destruction some day. Is the light bulb going off in some of the readers heads as to why this is not Christian doctrine? Because your church believes and the pastors and teachers teach, that God sent the Son to save individuals but he will judge the world and destroy it with fire some day. Then build a new one.​

The contradiction is especially striking because John 3:17 is actually a part the most famous Bible verse in the world. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever trusts in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. One would imagine one of the most quoted Bible verses in the world would merit special attention to the second part of the statement. But it seems to just be treated more like window dressing around John 3:16. This is the article's point. To show it is not window dressing but actually and indisputably the Bibles doctrine on the matter. There are many dozens of chapters in the Bible that verify John 3:17. In this article we'll go though a few passages that do.​

Revelation 22: 1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Now according to those who's Christian teachings contradict John 3:17; this passage is a prophecy about a new physical heaven and earth that God will create after he judges our present earth and destroys it. According to their teachings there will be no sin or death in this place anymore- as per this and other passages. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
The problem with this is the contradictions. Why do the nations need healed by the living water and the tree of life as per Rev. 22:1-2 if by definition they are already healed? To further demonstrate the contradiction, there is sin and death and pain and suffering. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, the sexually immoral, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Notice how the bride speaks and says come? How does a physical\literal city speak. We'll get to more passages on this bride shortly. What I want you to take note of is where this living water comes from.​

Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman in John 4:10 Jesus answered and said to her, If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that says to you, Give me drink; you would have asked of him, and he would have given you living water. 11 The woman said unto him, Sir, you hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank of it himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said to her, Whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. In another place, John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come to me, and drink. 38 He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spoke he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. So here you see very clearly that the living water is the Holy Spirit and the tree of life is the Word of God, the words of the prophets and apostles. That is why it says twelve fruits, or in Ezekiel's vision of the same thing, twelve trees. Those are just common illustrations of the Word of God coming to us through twelve tribes if Israel, ie the prophets and, the twelve Apostles. About that Word of God. Lets just look for a second at a passage of prophecy on just how the Bible heals the nations. then we'll get back to that bride.​

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the terrible one is brought to nothing, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: In the book of Daniel chapters 2 & 7 as well as the book of Revelation they prophesied an age of oppression for all believers measured by four gentile empires named as Babylon, Medo\Perisa, Greek and Roman. 597 BC - 1453 AD. It's not as if the gospel bore no fruit in the earth during this time. But it was not until the Bible made its way into the hands of the general public, highly illegal at the time, which began to occur immediately after the fall of that fourth empire that the despotic world ruled by kings, emperors and warlords saw the beginning of their end. That is who the terrible ones in verse 20 is referring to. It was Bible reading peoples who pioneered this present, promised, prophesied growing free world many of us now get to enjoy life in. That is what the healing of the nations means. The destruction of the madness of actually idolatry and the end of an the despotic ancient world. You see, John 3:17 is being fulfilled right before your eyes. Yes, it has to be won by winning souls with the river of life but also politically. You can't have the latter without the former. 7000 years of despotic rule by the terrible ones proved that.​

Follow the link to see the rest. Why Isn't John 3:17 Christian Doctrine?

Tuur said:

What, though, in the cited portion did you find creepy? I'm quite sure both the naturalized US citizens I have in mind wouldn't find it creepy.

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My whole family was naturalized including me. I don't find it creepy at all. Its what we all wanted. We all love America despite her flaws through the years.

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American citizenship is the most sacred citizenship in the world and should only be reserved for aliens who will fully embrace our values and principles as a nation. By ensuring only those aliens who meet all eligibility requirements ... the American people can be assured that those joining us as fellow citizens are fully assimilated and will contribute to America’s greatness."

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This sounds great. Its how it used to be. People came here to BE Americans not to just live in America. I like it.

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People do not lie to kids, now that is funny hahahaha.

Santa Claus

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And the tooth fairy

prodromos said:

By making observations which confirm the globe model and refute the flat earth model.

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Well Rob's never mentioned this, source please.

Pepperdoodle said:

Whether you were a fan of Charlie's or not, has this prompted you to be more outspoken?

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No, but maybe to give more thought to it. It has been impossible to tell if Charlie was a free mason or not, and that would or does or could change everything. btw, I never heard of him before he was killed.

ThatRobGuy said:

To be blunt, the fact that I oppose racism (my SO is an Indian woman from a Hindu family...much to their dismay) wouldn't be considered to be "enough" to be considered "truly anti-racism"... unless you oppose and embrace the furthest most left definition of "anti-racism", you get the "racist" label in the eyes of the folks who tout the "anti-racism" label.

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Here it is at last: "any/all traditional viewpoints of western civilization." You need say no more.

Daniel Martinovich said:

God did not want the entirety of his creation immediately separated from himself by state imposed idolatry.

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Most people are separated no matter what the causality was or is. This won't change until Yeshua Returns.

ThatRobGuy said:

The point is that in modern US discourse, "anti-racism" doesn't simply mean "being against racism", there's several other (unrelated) precepts that one needs to give lip service to in order to be considered as having their "anti racist bona fides".

If I went on social media and found an "Anti-racist" gathering (which would undoubtedly be a bunch of 20-something white kids), and I showed up and said "I'm against racism, but I'm opposed to reparations, and I still believe in the meritocracy and capitalism" how many seconds before they'd ask me to leave?

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If you still believe in "(the?) meritocracy and capitalism" you would definitely be in the wrong meeting and it would be a kindness on their part to point it out to you.

Not.

I am watching a Netflix series about the Roman Empire. It's called "Roman Empire". What a creative name.

Freth said:

While I agree that Charlie's work has helped bring people to God, I don't believe politics is the way to spread the gospel message. It intertwines the two (the political and religious), and leads to Christianity exercising civil power for political purposes. As we've seen in the past, this leads to persecution and death.

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I think that we need to realise that if we do speak the Gospel, people will not like it, and whether it is intertwined with politics or not, there will still be persecution for those who speak it.
In saying this, I try to separate the two. But if I see an opening, I will use politics as a way to get a foot in to say the Gospel.

Akita Suggagaki said:

This is where I have been told that entering a relationship out of fear of punishment, it is not much of a relationship.

For me it has always been about present day love of Christ, the fullness and joy it brings.

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Many people say that fear of judgment is a poor motivation for faith. But Scripture says otherwise: “By the fear of the Lord one departs from evil” (Proverbs 16:6). Jesus Himself warned of hell more than anyone else, not to produce shallow fear, but to expose the seriousness of sin and the urgency of salvation.
It is only when people realize the weight of their guilt and the reality of judgment that the cross shines in its true beauty. To strip the Gospel of law, judgment, and hell is to strip Christ of His glory. As Spurgeon said, “Think lightly of hell, and you will think lightly of the cross.”

So how do fear and love work together in a believer? If a person knows they have sinned and deserve punishment, that fear will drive them to flee to Christ and to live in a way that honours God. Over time, as they walk in obedience, that fear gives way to awe and is replaced with overwhelming love and gratitude for Christ’s sacrifice. Fear awakens the sinner; love sustains the saint.

Yes, love for Christ and the joy of new life are central. But that love is magnified, not diminished, when we see what we’ve been saved from. A “nice” gospel may feel compassionate, but it’s actually cruel; it leaves people blind to their real condition. If someone “accepts Christ” without ever seeing their desperate need for a Saviour, their faith will be shallow. And as Jesus warned, “when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles” (Matthew 13:21). Fear of the Lord creates a root that endures.

Here is a resource I believe you would find eye-opening. Even Charlie Kirk read this, and because it had such an effect on him, he began promoting it:
God Has a Wonderful Plan for Your Life
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bbbbbbb said:

the question comes to mind as to why biblical illiteracy is so widespread.

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As written, God sent (and at present exists?) a famine not of Scripture nor of bread or food, but a famine of the hearing of the Word of Yahweh. In Scripture His Purpose might be seen if He Permits.

The books sent to every address might have better results than trying to get people to read Scripture. God Knows. A lot of people don't believe Scripture you know ? They believe traditions of men, i.e. what they have been told Scripture says.

rjs330 said:

21% is an AWFULLY high number dont you think?

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Yes.

eleos1954 said:

without form and void," unorganized, desolate, and dark body of water waiting for God to structure and fill it during the six days of creation. Notice God don't call anything good until He creates the earth to be habitable.

"Good" (tov):
In Genesis, the Hebrew word tov (יטב) is used to describe individual acts of creation, like the separation of land and sea or the creation of plant life. Tov can mean fitting, ordered, or properly functioning.
Tohuvabohu is a word of Hebrew origin, derived from the phrase tohu wa-bohu, meaning "without form and void" or "chaos and utter confusion". It describes a state of shapelessness, emptiness, and disorder. The phrase is famously found in the biblical account of creation in Genesis, describing the earth before God's intervention.

Chaos definition


cha·os
complete disorder and confusion.

Water baptism does not save a person.

Salvation is by Grace:
salvation is a free gift from God, received by grace through faith, not by performing acts or rituals.

Baptism is a symbol or outward sign of an inward spiritual reality, not a magical act that imparts salvation.

Mary is seen as a human woman and a model of faith and obedience to God. Her role as the mother of Jesus is acknowledged, but she is not considered divine or special beyond her human experience and cooperation with God.
she was a great Christian woman but no different from the rest of humanity. She was a woman of humility and noble character, but she was not perfect. She was a sinner like the rest of humanity therefore, Jesus came to die for her sins as well as all of humanity.

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply. While I don’t agree with it, it helps me to understand your thinking.

You say there was chaos at the beginning of creation. Where did this chaos come from?
Are you saying God is the author of chaos, and merely to glory in power does He bring forth order?
If not, then from where did the chaos come ?

I still see in scripture that the words translated without form and void refer to the Earth which was not created until the third day.

Peter says in his Epistle that the Earth was created from water, not chaos Peter writes in 2Peter 3

1 Behold this second epistle I write to you, my dearly beloved, in which I stir up by way of admonition your sincere mind: 2 That you may be mindful of those words which I told you before from the holy prophets, and of your apostles, of the precepts of the Lord and Saviour. 3 Knowing this first, that in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? for since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.


He says the water consisted by the word of God. Am I to believe that the word of God is chaos?

Evolutionists say that order comes from chaos. Ate we to believe the same?

Scripture tells me that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is who was, is now, and is to come, the Almighty
He is not the author of chaos


Jesus also was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. If we are to believe she is a sinner, then we are to believe Christ sprang forth from sin. This is logically fallacious to claim that He who is without sin was brought forth by sin. No, I prefer to worship God who is without sin and not the author of chaos. Mary is full of the grace of God which keeps her from sin. If it does not, then how will we be kept from sin I heaven? You say the full grace of God is not capable and you say neither does the Holy Spirit who regenerates us. Does this mean we have no hope of freedom from sin? How then can we see God and enter heaven? Where does it say in scripture we will never be free from sin?

Bradskii said:

In 1970 I travelled from Bilbao in the north down to Alicante on the Costa Blanca. I spoke a little Spanish but no-one was interested in talking about Franco. On two occasions the local I was talking to literally got up immediately and walked away as soon as I mentioned Franco's name. With a lot of muttering 'No, no, no...'

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I was in Spain just before Franco died and again not long after. The first time I found the place rather grim. The second time was like walking into a party in progress.

I Am Elizabeth Smart.

HIM said:

I won't read your posts until you stop posting things like above.. So do what you want. I don't have time for such.

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Concerning this, you seem very right-on. The things in the offending post are so full of utter error(s) it is not likely an understanding can be reached in the very very limited space and time available here, and the lack of love of truth overall ..... No one has time for such !? No amount of time can produce a difference under the circumstances here.

doubtingmerle said:

Really?

One would think that one who loved God would be concerned about the loss Trump is bringing to the poor among us.

And one who loved country would not cheer for the utter buffoonery that Trump displayed in front of the world at the UN.

And one who loved family would not be cheering when ICE breaks up families that we had allowed to be here for decades.

And one who loves humanity would not cheer the cutback of alternative energy projects, which are our only hope for continuing any decent industrialized society into the future.

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You don't understand. That list is additive. One has to tick all those boxes to receive love, not just some of them. They have to be christian (but not the wrong kind of christian), us american (terms and conditions apply), pro family values (which boils down to being anti-abortion and anti-lgbt+) and pro-humanity (everyone who ticks all the other three boxes, and nobody else, since "they" are anti-humanity).

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1Ti 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,​

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In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is part of His gift of salvation.

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by God's law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so him graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so that is also the way that we come to the knowledge of the truth.

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The way we see God influences our own lives, but also the lives of others. Our church has a food ministry that services the community's needs. I met a man a few weeks ago at the food bank, and when I asked him if he would like to go to church, he responded that he could not respond to a God who controls every aspect of life. I told him that I do not believe that God is a dictator who controls every aspect of our lives. Yet, how fervently do people present the false doctrine that God has controlled life to such an extent that he even forces many into damnation, through no evil of their own, but by His sovereign will or choice to destroy them.

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A mizvot is a connection, so while someone can view it as God trying to control every aspect of our lives, it is correct to view it as God graciously teaching us how to connect with Him in every aspect of outlives. The goal of the law is not for God to be a dictator, but to teach us how to grow in an intimate relationship with Him by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits.

stevevw said:

The signatures imply some sort of CNC is needed not me. I said I don't think the tech is like todays machines. They did not have computers or high tech machines. All I know it was some sort of lathing device. The evidence points to this.

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So what? "Some sort of lathing device" is not the same as "some sort of CNC." CNC stands for Computer Numerical Control. Any sort of CNC device has to have electric motors and a digital computer. On the other hand "some sort of lathing device" has been known since ancient times in one form or another and it is not preposterous or contrary to "orthodoxy" to speculate that Egyptian craftsmen knew of them.

stevevw said:

For crying out loud now your making it about identity politics lol. About 'word' meanings. The word primitive as referring to the simple methods is probably one of the most commonly used words.

Now you want to turn the use of that word into a personal and derogatory meaning according to your interpretation and not mine. You want to project your interpretation onto me now lol. I suppose if I call it "simple" your going to make out I am calling the ancients simple people in a derogatory way lol.

The ironic thing is this is about ancients having advanced tech so I am saying they are superior lol. I am priasing their ability if anything compared to those who had more rudimentary methods. For having that ability at a time when we humans should not have had such knowledge and tech.

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What you seem to be proposing is that ancient Egyptians used an even more ancient and superior technology left over from a vanished superior civilization, technology that they couldn't create themselves. That is most certainly derogatory.

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I question this doctrine with a series of questions below.

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A lot of doctrine is wrong, in serious and grave and total error, so that might not be a good defining point.
Rather, someone is guilty because God says they are guilty. Period.