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How did you become convinced that APOKATASTASIS or the reconciliation of all things is true.

So in your
Being open to deception leads to deception, and more deception as time goes by.
The god of this world loves it when people listen to the little lies, and they do not realize they can no longer hear Jesus, nor do they realize that because of their perversion Jesus does not hear their prayers.
So your belief is that in the end old Nick wins, because There's Just Nothing God Can Do. His will is thwarted at every turn by the malice, stupidity, ot both, of His creatures. God can create the universe, but He just can't get the creatures He designed and made from ruining it all.

This is essentially saying that in the end, God failed. That's rubbish. That's Nick saying, "Ha ha! I win in the end, and ruin everything that God set out to do.! " That's simply a lie, which is Satan's specialty, isn't it?
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Curses and Judgements

He who informs against his friends to get a share of their property— the eyes of his children will fail.

how many times do we see this.. not happen?

scriptures are not absolute.

you want proof? of what exactly?

you need to have a need to know first.
That verse isn't literal as 2 verses later he says, "My eye has also grown dim because of sorrow,".

I want to have a discussion, literally for or against the topic in which I brought up but it seems you just want to make these finite statements that shut down any sort of discussion. Again, this is then not the thread for you. If you are willing to have a discussion, then let's stick to the premise and the point of the thread that I started, otherwise I am just going to stop replying to you.
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Catholic Architect Selected as Designer of White House Ballroom

This project is patently aburd and with all of America's problems, anyone who supports this use of funds, could use a little reshuffling of thier "priorities for America" deck.

IMAGINE if Biden suggested this. Just imagine. It's crazytown. You guys would be berserk...livid. And you should be. It's an absurd expenditure for America right now....

Isn't it?


Do you firmly believe that all the billionaires in American need ANOTHER place away from the unwashed masses like us?
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Karoline Leavitt rebukes Democrats for not condemning Charlie Kirk's murder: 'Truly a sad moment'

From the article

Leavitt criticized House Democrats who voted against a resolution last week to formally condemn his assassination, which split Democrats last Friday as 95 voted to approve the ceremonial measure, 58 voted against it, 38 voted present and 22 abstained
Detractors in the Congressional Black Caucus claimed the resolution was "an attempt to legitimize Kirk’s worldview — a worldview that includes ideas many Americans find racist, harmful, and fundamentally un-American," according to their statement.



"This was a simple gesture of human decency to denounce political violence," she said. "I wish I could say that this was only a fringe group, but 96 votes is nearly half of the entire House Democrat caucus."

"And they didn't just vote against this basic resolution condemning political violence," she said. "A number of those same Democrats took to the House floor to smear Charlie Kirk's name. The man wasn't even buried yet, and Democrat members of Congress were denigrating his memory on the floor of the House of Representatives."
  • Agree
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

In what respect? Al Jazeera has a "leans left" rating on some issues, but they generally come from an Islamic point of view, which is hardly leftist.
No, not leftist, but they're smart enough not to alienate Western leftists who are very "useful", if you know what I mean.
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Is this appropriate? Reading material

Hello,

I am currently (very slowly) reading the LDS (Latter Day Saint AKA Mormon) Quad (OT+ NT KJV Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price).

It might take me years to get through the dry reading, and it's not exactly "easy reading."

Do you think it's spiritually harmful or neutral for a Catholic to read that material?

Peace

Israel-Hamas Thread II

Anyone who claims this is just plain anti-semetic.
Come on. Put some effort in here.



Claiming they are rhe bad guys because they are fighting a war against terrorists is preposterous.
They aren't fighting a war. They are creating a bloodbath and they are erasing any imprints of Palenstinians and GAzans on their land.


If children are starving to death its becauae Hamas decided to make that happen.
I'm going to twirl my arms around and if you happen to get in the way and get hit by them that's YOUR fault.
What a childish understanding.


Its either that or they are showing solidarity with the Arabs who force rhat upon their women. Next thing you know they will be tossing gays overboard.
No. The nonmuslims don't have head coverings on....at least in the pictures I've seen.
Do you just LAP up Israeli media with any thought?


Yes its to be expected that leftist journalists would support Arab propaganda.
You may be surprised to learn that awards for journalism have to be based on factual reporting. Fox rarely gets those so you may not be aware....

You know...how reality has well known liberal bias?
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Government Taking Stakes in Private Companies - Veering Toward Fascism Through Corporatocracy

There's also crony capitalism.

For any of you who thought the Tiktok threat to national security could be solved with moolah, claim your prize.

Trump's TikTok deal payment criticized as 'shakedown scheme' by experts

The Trump administration recently approached a coalition of U.S. investors set to take over TikTok's U.S. operations with an ask: Will the group make a payment to the federal government "in the low billions," according to a person with direct knowledge of the talks.

The response from the investors, which includes tech mogul Larry Ellison, the Murdochs and venture capital heavyweight Andreessen Horowitz, was an unequivocal yes.

Welcome to President Trump's new business agenda: extracting payments as if the federal government is brokering deals like a white-shoe consulting firm fueled by lucrative "fees for service."

Asked on Thursday about the multibillion-dollar fee expected to be tacked onto the TikTok deal, which was earlier reported by The Wall Street Journal,Trump was evasive.

"We're going to be announcing different things, but the U.S. comes out great," Trump said from the Oval Office.

most of the stakeholders in the TikTok investment group are business leaders who have shown sustained loyalty to the president, which makes the deal look like a reward for fealty, Tofel says.

"There is a growing set of examples of crony capitalism that the Trump administration is putting into place across this country,"

"All Americans — taxpayers, investors, customers, and workers — lose with crony capitalism," he said. "It increases everyone's costs, makes everyone more vulnerable to extortion (or worse), and profoundly degrades our expectations for honesty and fair dealing, society-wide."
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This feeling that I'm not really a convert

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Your position is to be based on Scripture. Not emotion. Not culture. Not the opinions of those who might be further down the path, than you, with our Eternal Father.

I encourage you to put on the audio Bible at bedtime.

BibleGateway.com has an audio Bible (See navigation below) with a timer feature.

Within a web browser on your phone, visit www. BibleGateway.com
(no need to install an app).

NAVIGATION

At BibleGateway.com
1. Tap on the main menu [three horizontal lines, top-left corner of browser]
2. Main menu expands to display a sub menu.
3. Tap on "READ THE BIBLE"
4. "READ THE BIBLE" expands to display a sub menu.
5. [Bottom of sub menu] tap on "Audio Bibles"
6. You may need to scroll down an inch, tap on "NIV Dramatized" [a drop-down list under the text 'LISTEN TO THE BIBLE"] change it to "NIV by George W. Sarris"
7. Beneath "NIV by George W. Sarris" change the book from Genesis to Colossians.
8. Beneath the book, tap the white button with text "Start Passage" within the blue box (button).
7. A new browser tab opens.
8. Beneath the transport buttons (vertical lines and triangle combinations) is a clock with "Set Timer" to the left of the clock. Tap on it.
9. A list of time durations is displayed, tap on "2 hours"
10. Immediately above the "Set timer" option, tap on the right-pointing triangle to begin playing.

Put it on every night. No pressure to 'learn' it, 'know' it, relaxed, restful state of mind, enjoy it.
Over time, it will become part of you, your mind, your world view, your values.
You'll be living life and scripture will 'come to you' and it's because you'll be familiar (FAMILY-ar) with it.
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This is a Catholic subform, just so you are aware, and YES! WE LOVE scripture! :)
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Curses and Judgements

you know what middle knowledge is?

God doesn't usually give it to us.

in revelation there is a verse that talks about people appointed to captivity, plague, famine, death, and those who are counted worthy to escape all things.
sometimes we get to know our fates on earth, most of the time we don't.
i know of someone who died of cancer 2 years after almost dying of cancer and had a near supernatural eradication of said cancer. it came back, the church was confused and offended.. found out later she knew God had extended her life 2 years.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm honestly not interested in talking in generics. I'd really like to stick to the scripture examples I gave, or expound on that with other scripture. I would like scripture or specifics, for or against the premise I started. Since it sounds like you're in the middle of the road where this idea is up in the air for you, I don't think this fits with the point of my post and the discussion I'd like to have. I want scriptural discussions only (hence why I posted where I did). Pull apart the verses with proof as to how they either fit or don't fit. Back it up with greek or hebrew word definitions or proof of context arguments. I'd like a scriptural conversation instead of just basing your opinion that this isn't something we can know when the verses haven't been addressed properly. You gave me your theological interpretation but, no examples, no proof or no deeper discussion on it rather than just stating what your stance is.
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How did you become convinced that APOKATASTASIS or the reconciliation of all things is true.

Oh but you do err. I agree that God did, in fact, "choose all" but all did NOT choose God.
EOB Matt 7:21 It is not everyone who tells me, ‘Lord, Lord’ who will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many [NOT a few] will tell me in that Day, ‘Lord, Lord, did not we prophesy in your Name, cast out demons in your Name and do many deeds of power in your Name?’ 23 Then I [Jesus] will tell them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from me, you who do what is wicked.’
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Does "equality" even matter to Jesus?

' Equality' needs to be clarified, objectively speaking. But for me, the sentiment of Love your neighbor as yourself would infer equality. Another thought that comes to mind is that Jesus said to sell all your possessions and give to the poor and you will have riches in heaven.
The equal treatment I find in scripture is thus.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

It pertains to salvation.
Or, where do we put this?

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

All of creation is God's.
He let's the weeds grow with the wheat.

One will be harvested and the other burned.

Keeping in mind;

James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

The work believers perform is not about salvation, it is an outflowing of the grace of God.
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