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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Why is this the case?

Ok so I have biometrics setup into my tablet but what REALLY annoys me is the fact that in order to get into my tablet I need not only my finger print but also a 20 character password.

I don't use passwords on my desktop I use yubikey and that doesn't also need a password because its super secure. Well, so is a fingerprint. Nobody else in the world has the exact same fingerprint as you its just as good as if it were your DNA. Yet, somehow I need to remember a 20 character password AND use my fingerprint? Why? It makes absolutely no sense because like I said, you are the only one with that fingerprint and its just as good as if the device used DNA to get in.

The only scenario I can think of as to how this is "insecure" is if somebody held a gun to your head and demanded you log into your phone in which case, a password isn't going to help you either. NOTHING is going to help you so surely Samsung is not saying that with a password on top of a fingerprint nobody can get into a device.

Idk, maybe somebody who works in security can explain it to me? Because, to me this feature makes absolutely no sense.

Share in Suffering for the Gospel

2 Timothy 1:8-14 ESV

“Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, which is why I suffer as I do.
“But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that day what has been entrusted to me. Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.”

What is “the testimony about our Lord”? What is “the gospel”? I ask these questions, for there are many different ideas floating around these days regarding the message of the gospel of our salvation. And how we understand what that means will determine how we interpret this passage of Scripture. For I imagine that most people who call themselves “Christians” are not ashamed to admit that they are Christians, though some may be.

So, what was the gospel that Paul taught and that he suffered for?

He taught that, by faith in Jesus Christ, we are crucified and buried with Christ in death to sin, and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but now as slaves to God and to his righteousness. Thus, we are to no longer allow sin to reign (have control) in our mortal bodies, to make us obey its passions. For if sin is what we obey, it will end in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it will lead to righteousness and to sanctification, and its end is eternal life. For how can we who died to sin still live in it? (see Romans 6:1-23)

He taught that, by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, God condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but to set the mind on the flesh is death, whereas to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. So, if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live (see Romans 8:1-14).

He taught that, as believers in Jesus Christ, we are to no longer walk (in conduct, in practice) as the ungodly do in the passions of their flesh due to the hardness of their hearts. Thus, we are not to become callous, giving ourselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. For that is not the way we should have learned Christ. We should have learned to put off our old self, which belongs to our former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of our minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true holiness and righteousness (see Ephesians 4:17-24).

He taught that if we walk (in conduct, in practice) by the Spirit that we will not gratify the desires of the flesh. And the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, fits of anger, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and other things like these. And so he warned us that those who are doing (practicing) such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

[see Galatians 5:16-24; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Romans 2:6-8; Galatians 6:7-8; Ephesians 5:3-6; Colossians 1:21-23; Colossians 3:5-11; Romans 1:18-32; Titus 2:11-14; Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-11; cf. Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23]

And if we teach, and if we live the gospel that Paul taught, and that Jesus taught, and that the other apostles taught, in their fulness of context, we will also be hated and persecuted for the sake of the message of the gospel like Jesus and Paul and the other NT apostles suffered for the sake of righteousness and for the sake of the gospel of Christ. For not many want to hear that we must put sin to death in our lives and now walk in obedience to our Lord in holy living, in practice, if we want to have eternal life with God. Too many are altering the gospel in order to appease people in their sin.

[Matt 5:10-12; Matt 10:16-25; Matt 24:9-14; Lu 6:22-23; Lu 21:12-19; Jn 15:1-21; Jn 16:33; Jn 17:14; Ac 14:22; Rom 5:3-5; Phil 3:7-11; 1 Pet 1:6-7; 1 Pet 4:12-17; 2 Tim 3:12; 1 Thess 3:1-5; Jas 1:2-4; 2 Co 1:3-11; Heb 12:3-12; 1 Jn 3:13; Rev 6:9-11; Rev 7:9-17; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 12:17; Rev 13:1-18; Rev 14:1-13]

Seek the Lord

An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Based off Isaiah 55


“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
And all of the trees clap their hands.”

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First thing to do in Heaven!

[EDIT] ... I am not sure what forum to put this in, so feel free to move it. I'm new.]

Hello. I think about heaven a lot. Think about the things above, not the things of this earth. Anyways, I was wondering...what is the first thing you want to do once you get home to heaven, besides meet Jesus face to face?

I want to see my vast collection of sports cars. I say this because I believe we will be racing in heaven. That is one of my hearts deepest desires...racing.

Take delight in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4

I also want to go into outer space and explore!

What do you want to do??

The Kingdom Age

As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

My letter to OCAMPR

I say this, because of the discussion at the end of the presentation, The Role of Mystery in COVID Care and The Paranoia of a Vaccinated Body (of Christ), where people are dismayed and venting about people not respecting credentials. I have my own credentials. I do not expect them to respected. And if they don't show themselves as credible, I have no reason to respect their credentials. Dr. Angela Duckworth was a professor of mine, her work on GRIT constitutes academic fraud and I pointed that out in class - that is a story for another time, but people who emphasis that they have a shiny piece of paper don't impress me, especially when they are so concerned about it. The quality of higher education is such that any degree, any dago dazzler, does not mean much. "One need only to read books to know that even in the universities, logic as theory - as a craft - is dead." (Nietzsche, paraphrased into context.) Be dismayed as you like, but after the quality of the entire conference, this little egotistical discussion on credentials was a rotten cherry at the top of the whole mess. I have no sympathy or care for such dismay.
I have specific and intense critiques of several of the presentations, especially, the Introductory Address by Bishop Daniel, the plenary Medical Perspective, Diaconal Post-COVID Rescue Response, and The Role of Mystery in COVID Care and The Paranoia of a Vaccinated Body (of Christ). I don't have time to go over everything, but I would like to go over things from these Four.
First, however, I'd like to point out some general issues that exist across the entirety of the conference. The most blatant of the issues is that the title for the conference Care in the Covid Era: Unity and Truth in Uncertain Times, where unity is apparently forsaking, leaving out, and pathologizing (as I'll explain more later) an entire population of the Church (not to mention society at large.) You cannot unity at the expense of another you claim to be or want to be united with. Not only is there no presentation representative of any kind or form of the conscientious objectors, but the only recognition of dissent is in phrasing like "those conspiracy theorists who (insert beliefs that are on the fringe of objectors.)" Worse, however, is that by The Paranoia of a Vaccinated Body, the agency of such people is questioned - thus there no recognition of even the possibility of actual dissent or actual disagreement at all in the entire conference. Considering the theme of unity, I would have expected that multiple sides of the critical issues effecting that very unity would be given instead of just one. Now, while there may be natural reasons for the onesidedness, I would still expect OCAMPR seeing that such was the case that means would be applied to specifically invite notable - or even non-notable - voices from other perspectives. But many indicators that have already been noted show that there is a lack of understanding in the conference that other perspectives actually exist or are legitimate or valid. So, unfortunately, by the very collection of the presentations offered at the conference, there is a suggestion that perspective outside of the incredibly singular one presented are simply existentially invalid.

Another general issue is the excuse of human policy by means of "had to." This is, of course, a violation of Hume's Law, which in turn is a violation of basic first order logic. If policy is said to be based on "had to" then the very arithmetic used in the science generating the "had to" excuse is also brought into question by the policy itself. There is a fundamental contradiction in allowing the application of Hume's Law in the generation of scientific data and denying the law in the policies said to be based on that same scientific data. The truth, there was no "had to" and there couldn't be - it reduces all human action as entirely and solely predicated on his environmental stimulus without the possibility for inference concerning those stimuli. It does this through the false assumption that material or 'factual' premises lead to imperatives, and worse, directly to action - but the "is-ought" barrier is real. No amount of 'fact' premises can ever lead to 'value' premises (and thus also imperatives.) Such is not Orthodox, but mostly because it's opposed to basic reasoning. But the requirement to justify imperatives is something that I've seen in the classes for catachumens. The existence of a pandemic cannot imply any imperative - there cannot have been any "had to" in regard to the human policies that were created in response. Such "had to"s exist in order to shield oneself from the moral liabilities and real-world consequences of those policies. Similarly, this creates an inversion wherein although acts of nature are said to be in the realm of moral liability for people (a legal absurdity), but also that no such liability can be applied to human action (another legal absurdity.) This is more than a pet-peeve, but is indicative of an overall errant style of thought in presentations across the entire conference. Indeed, I think, it leads, as one discussion participant exclaimed, the masked sports game "as a sacred event" - which something I found appalling (and not merely in it's phrasing.) The sufferings implied by such a game constitute a lot of "had to"s and the game itself as cathartic release from those "had to"s - those imperatives. However, no such imperatives have ever been demonstrated, in that appealing to the existence of the pandemic alone cannot lead to imperatives. Worse, however, is the idea that such imperatives themselves necessitate the action of the "had to." This denies the possibility of human will to deny imperatives - for right or wrong. The parents involved could have had their children play without masks months prior or at any time, including the time slotted for the game as it occurred. Nothing forced their hand, they chose to act in that way, but they deny that they chose. Why do they deny that they chose? This is not mere semantics (see Orwell's Politics and the English Language), this is evidence to a large swatch of unquestioned presuppositions that are epistemological, ethical, and metaethical in nature. It is interesting, especially considering the paragraph above this one, that none outside that strangely narrow weltanshauung made presentations at the conference.

And generally, as far as I can tell, the only values openly presented across the entire conference for the perspective given were obedience and conformity. The value of saving lives, which is held by all sides, but the means of which is hotly contested, is in the background without, apparently, the understanding that other perspectives are not in the business of attempting to destroy lives. This is not necessarily malicious, but is, again indicative. It shows a lack of awareness of the other, almost like a lack of theory of mind to understand disagreement. And I say theory of mind very specifically and without the intention of causing offense.

Overall, the apparent lack of capacity to recognize the existence of other viewpoints, which is kind appalling in and of itself, is also kind of hypocritical in the context of a conference where empathy is said to be of such a high consideration. Is it the case that empathy should only exist among the agreeable and the homogenous, and not the 'other.' Indeed, despite the words said in many of the presentations about the need to reach out to the other, not only was the other not reached out to, but otherness itself was pushed - the phenomena of othering seemed inherent to the entire set up of the conference - the opposite of unity. This issues is enhanced by the mere inclusion of the presentation Diaconal Post-COVID Rescue Response, which focuses entirely on a topic that is to the fringe of the critical issues of a conference on the effects of COVID, but also represents a very fringe and antihistorical position in the Church. It causes a question, why is dialogue with such acceptable, but not dialogue in regard to the core issues. And why is dialogue with such an incredible fringe acceptable, but not that with a large minority of the Church - a larger minority than the large minority of faithful during the Arian Crisis by some estimates I've seen.

Secondly, this is largely signposted by the introductory address. So, I'll move on from a general critique to critiques of a handful of presentations starting with the Introductory Address by His Grace the Right Reverend Daniel, In particular, he expresses a dismay that orthodox people simply didn't obey the bishops. I don't think that's necessarily true - as generally most people didn't have much choice but to do so. The doors of the churches were locked - and that was that. He then gives voice to a conspiracy theory that certain monks and priests were responsible for this apparently large swath of the disobedient and disobedient - although I've seen this before and am aware of whom he is probably referring to. But he thus, similarly, denies the agency of those people and applies a "had to" to their actions - treating them not as persons, but as systems responding to input without question - the only issue he takes to this is that he is not the one providing the input. He speaks from the standpoint of mimetic rivalry (see the scapegoat theory of Rene Girard.) Like those who squabble over their credentials, he expects that he too is above critique and conscientious objection. When in Orthodox History has the laity been under the requirement of absolute obedience despite conscience and despite of truth? No, we see that councils have been rejected by the laity and this shown to be universality, the catholicity, of the Church. But the thrust of the issues is that he sets up the conference as "those divisive people" as if only the reaction and not the action is divisive. He "had to" There is, again, a lack of acknowledgement of the moral liability of human policy as well as a lack of understanding of the disagreement itself. Nor do I think the characterization of the divide he gives is true. The majority of dissenters did not disobey and the majority of those who were disobedient had no real means to be disobedient. The doors of churches were locked to faithful. Some hypocrisy seems to exist in the complaint that the alleged conspiracy of certain monks and priest has removed people from various parished, when it was the bishops themselves who forced almost all the people from the parishes. And it seems incredible that it could be put forward as introduction to this conference this conspiracy theory, that the conspirators had such powers of control or perhaps brainwashing to remove all these people from the church. Is it really so difficult to understand that disagreement exists? - and that people have their reasons and their consciences? Thus, from the very outset of the conference, it is signposted that the conference will not be about unity, but about othering.

What when in the name of compassion the vulnerable were compassionlessly left to fend for their themselves? What when all aspects of moral liability are suddenly subject to impossible inversions that would even destroy the possibility of liability as a concept of common law? When the only justification for imperatives given is the unreasoning and false excuse of "had to" coupled solely with raw obedience and conformity? Why now is it asserted that all should jump on a bandwagon? Is it now the case that "if all your friends were going to jump off a cliff, would you too?" is considered to only be answerable by a 'yes'? But these questions do not yet reach the disagreement itself, but with problems in the assertions and presuppositions given by dismay the speaker here shows. And these questions too, follow the whole of the conference. Thus in some presentations, the 'rugged, American individuality' is critiqued as "you selfish people should sacrifice yourselves" (The Paranoia of a Vaccinated Body - paraphrased), and in others, "don't follow the misinformation of your community, we must manage the information ecology" (Medical Perspective - paraphrased.) Both these are of the same coin in interpreting social phenomenon against the persons who form the entire section of society. Is it so hard to understand that these are persons with reasons and consciences - they are acting holistically, both as individuals and communities - in the very same actions by which the Church exists in the world. People are actually acting as they should - the individual in relation to a local community, the subjective to the objective. These presentations treat the issue as if subject is mutually exclusive from object and individual mutually exclusive to the individual. Indeed, we see in the "should sacrifice yourselves" messaging, for example, does not maintain the integrity of the faith - placing the community as tyrant over the individual as ideal. In the second example I give here, "don't follow the misinformation of your community, we must manage the information ecology," the messaging does not maintain the integrity of faith - placing an individual or a shrinking and minuscule minority as tyrant over whole communities (in this is the error of Papistry which can be interpreted as an ineffective means to solve certain epistemological problems by appointing a divine king over an 'information ecology.') And we should see that while the epistemological ideas here may be said to fit some skewed ideas of Papistry, it is totally apart from Orthodoxy. Whose theory of rationality, whose epistemology, whose value system, is to be used to determine which of the myriads of alternative facts (for indeed all facts must be alternative to other facts) will be accepted the true facts?
And I must regrettably say, that what is a Father who only knows how to minister with a rod. I am deeply wounded by Bishop Daniel's rod. I feel like an abused child in how he speaks so capriciously against those in his flock. I cannot describe this.

End of Days

Luk 12:54 And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
Luk 12:55
And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
Luk 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

I found this very interesting and informative! Get ready yall...
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Federal appeals court revives lawsuit against FDA over COVID-19 ivermectin messaging



A federal appeals court ruled Friday that a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) over its campaign against the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can continue, reversing a lower court decision.

Three doctors sued the FDA last year claiming that the agency’s anti-ivermectin campaign went too far, overstepping its authority and acting more as a medical body than a regulator.


A district court ruled that the suit could not continue, but the 5th Circuit Appeals Court revived the doctors’ hope in its Friday ruling, sending the case back to a lower court where it will be reconsidered.

“FDA is not a physician. It has authority to inform, announce, and apprise — but not to endorse, denounce, or advise,” Judge Don Willett wrote for the appeals court. “The Doctors have plausibly alleged that FDA’s Posts fell on the wrong side of the line between telling about and telling to.”



I've been clear about my position that I don't think Ivermectin was a suitable treatment for covid, nor do I think it was a valid replacement for the vaccine in terms of a prophylactic measure. However, I agree with the court's ruling on this one. Putting out misleading messaging about the nature of the drug, combined with trying to smear anyone who promoted it, did step over a line.
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Brother Knowledge

Hey, I wanted to talk to you guys about a bible verse I came across.

Proverbs 2:9-15
So now you can pick out what’s true and fair, find all the good trails! Lady Wisdom will be your close friend, and Brother Knowledge your pleasant companion. Good Sense will scout ahead for danger, Insight will keep an eye out for you. They’ll keep you from making wrong turns, or following the bad directions Of those who are lost themselves and can’t tell a trail from a tumbleweed, These losers who make a game of evil and throw parties to celebrate perversity, Traveling paths that go nowhere, wandering in a maze of detours and dead ends.

Is Brother Knowledge a real person, or just a metaphor for God? I am also interested in Lady Wisdom becoming my friend. I wonder what that will be like.

Thoughts?

Advice and Biblical guidance needed

Hey everyone, this will be a little long. My husband (24) and I (23) are struggling and have been for a while. I am going to list a few things that have been causing us to fight and I would love peoples advice, wisdom, biblical guidance, etc.

My husband tends to be a major procrastinator which leads into just plain laziness. According to his mother, getting him to do anything other than video games as a child was like pulling teeth. My husband and I have been married 3 years and have an almost 2 year old son. We are moving out of my families house in October so we have been in storm mode trying to save up money and reduce our debts. I am typically a stay at home mom but have decided to take up delivering Amazon packages to assist my husband in paying down our debts, so the stress isn't all on him. My husband works 12 hour days, which I am very grateful for the sacrifice he is making. Everyday he comes home and non-stop complains about being tired. The thing is, he complained about being tired when he was unemployed and he complains when he has had 8+ hours of sleep. I told him that he needs to see a doctor because something is probably wrong and he says "When you see a doctor, I will".
I am up at the same time as him but I typically go to bed later than him because I handle the bath time & bedtime routine for our son. I never complain about being tired unless I feel I am sick or something. I certainly don't use it as an excuse not to parent or deal with something at the house. My husband will come home from work and tell me he needs to relax for 15 minutes but this always turns into 2 hours or more. Then when I finally ask him to get up so I can have some help he either will say okay but then take 30 minutes to get off his phone or he will say something like "can't we do (house chores, bath time, dinner) later?", if I say fine we can do it later, later comes around and he goes "I'm so tired, I worked all day, why does everything have to be done all the time?". This happens almost everyday. Its exhausting because once again I have to do everything; pay the bills, clean the house, bathe the baby, bedtime tasks, make appointments & go to them, send out cards to family, socialize, etc etc.

Our son was sick all night, screaming and crying right next to my husband and he didn't care. He would wake up and say "what is his problem??" knowing he is sick, and then he'd go back to sleep. I was up from 6am yesterday to 730am today, I am sick and on my menstrual cycle as well so you can imagine how important sleep is for me right now. I had to beg my husband to get out of bed to take our son to the living room so I can get some sleep. I got a little over an hour and now I need to go out and do amazon deliveries, take my son to urgent care and clean the house. My husband came into the room and said "Im taking our son to Walmart and to get a haircut with me", I told him he's super sick and should not be leaving the house but all he could think about was his selfish wants.

His phone seems to be a huge trigger for his laziness and even makes his attitude sour. I have asked if he would maybe delete his games and I delete social media for awhile so we can have a phone detox, he refused and said its his hobby. I asked him if he could find some new hobbies not on devices, he listed a bunch of things he could do and I agreed to all of them and said that my son and I could even come watch (he wants to play mens softball with some church buddies).

I do have a horrible habit of saying hurtful things (name calling) when I am hurt. I feel like a wounded animal that needs to protect itself. I am getting into therapy for myself, hopefully this week. The first year of our relationship, I stayed quiet and ignored his flaws. When I got pregnant (I had a really rough pregnancy) and saw how little he was willing to do to help me is when the resentment started to build and it has just been getting worse since. Getting into my Bible daily has been helping and i'm learning to keep my mouth shut instead of being mean. That is a work in progress but I am definitely set on the goal of changing that toxic behavior.

Honestly you guys, I am so fed up. I feel so lonely in my own marriage. The other night I told him it really hurts my feelings when he falls asleep while I am talking to him and he said "I work 12 hour days, don't you think im tired?" so I responded that I understand that but he always says he is tired so when am I able to talk to him? He got mad at me and guess what, fell asleep 5 minutes later. I have tried being submissive and obedient but this man hardly picks up a book yet alone his Bible and a lot of his behaviors are destructive, so how far do I follow him into a mess? It feels like I don't have enough space to do things I want to do or work on myself because I am constantly handling everything or arguing with him.

Advice or guidance would be nice but please go easy on me. I'm really struggling right now and just need to hear something other than I should go check into a looney bin for 24hrs (per my husband this morning).

more computer time

It is not fair, not right the way my parents treat me. They treat me as if I were 4 years old, instead of an adult of 42 years old. I know I have a mental illness, but I still have some common sense. My parents hog the computer, we only have one computer with internet connection. I have my laptop but is does not have internet connection, I use it for writing stories. I rarely get to use the computer to go on the internet. My mom and dad, sometimes all they do is play cards on the computer, they don't use it to its full potential.


I have art lessons starting in about 2 weeks, then I will be able to have human contact. My stupid therapist always take's my mom's side. Sometimes I feel so sad, so hurt and lonely I cry. I feel like my mom has broken my heart, sometimes I feel like no one loves or cares about me.


I know God loves me, but I wish my parents would treat me better. I rarely get to talk to people. My mother does a lot of things wrong. She is lazy, , she stays up all night playing publishers clearing house games, then she sleeps a lot the next day. She is messy, disorganized, greedy, a pack rat, she hates to throw out useless junk, she's obnoxious, she's selfish, gets her feelings hurt too easily, jealous, immature, quick-tempered, stubborn, hard to get along with, pushy. demanding

The misunderstood Book of James & parsing the covenants.

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(MY NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE. Example related directly to the post: Are NT believers required to be circumcised & keep the OC law of Moses?)

Myles Coverdale; a Bible theologian/translator from the 1500’s. He wrote the Coverdale. Say's don't judge Scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Abrahamic covenant was based on the UNCONDITIONAL promises from God & cut by Him alone (Gen 15:4-18). Today's New covenant is a partial fulfillment of Abrahamic covenant promises. Today's New covenant was cut & is mediated by God/Christ alone. And requires FAITH ALONE to access it's blessings.

The Mosaic law covenant cut at Sinai, was an CONDITIONAL covenant cut by TWO parties, the people & the Lord (Ex 19:8). It required SELF-WORKS to access God's blessings (Deut 28:1-14) Curses were levied for non-compliance (Deut 28:15-68)

James a teacher of the circumcision (Gal 2:9). He's writing to Israelites still observing Mosaic law, Temple worship, circumcision, daily sacrifices etc. Ja 1:1: Is written to the "twelve tribes" [of Israel] which are scattered abroad.

James was a Mosaic law adherent/Judaizer = Someone that believed in Jesus & believed that you must believe Jesus was Messiah & follow Mosaic law in order to be saved. James sent men to spy on Peter & Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles. (Gal 2:12).

The Acts 15 Council of Jerusalem takes place years after James writes his epistle. This is a key transitional inflection point!

At the Council of Jerusalem James, ALL the Apostles & elders debate & agree. Then send letters (Acts 15:23) to the gentiles churches. Stating gentiles don't have to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses (Acts 15:24) to be SAVED.

The good news of salvation for BOTH gentile & Jew isn't found in James Epistle. The gentile/Jew Body of Christ good news by which NT Body of Christ believers are saved: Is that Christ died for your sins, was buried & rose from the dead (1 Cor 15:1-4).

The gentile/Jew good news has no connection to circumcision or Mosaic law adherence. James writings have ZERO about the NT Body of Christ. You won't find Paul's (one body) Jew & gentile doctrine anywhere in James epistle.

The Body of Christ leadership has Pastors & Deacons (Tim 1 2, & Titus). Good luck finding Pastors & Deacons at the Temple when James is written.

There is a transitional period of time. From aprox 40 Ad until the Temple is destroyed in 70 AD. When BOTH Temple & Church assemblies, are valid & operating.

After the Temple is destroyed one valid message remains, Paul's! No circumcision, no Temple sacrifices, No Mosaic law to adherence needed. This transition began in 51 AD at the Council of Jerusalem. Years after the epistle of James is written.

The RISEN Christ ordains (1 Tim 2:7) Paul. And sends him to minister to the Gentiles (Acts 26:17). Via the gospel of the GRACE of God (Acts 20:24)

Acts 26:
15 Saul said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16 Jesus said; rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
(MY NOTE: The RISEN Christ tells Paul. The GENTILES to whom, I NOW SEND YOU!)

18 (A) To open their eyes, (B) and to turn them from darkness to light, (C) and from the power of Satan unto God, (D) that they may receive forgiveness of sins, (E) and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

(A) To open their eyes: Reveal/expose and introduce the Gentiles to God

(B) and to turn Gentiles from darkness to light: bring them out of an elaborate system of idolatry, false worship paganism to the knowledge and worship of the one true God.

(C) and from the power of Satan (Adamic nature) to the authority of God (Born anew from above (Spiritual Creation) bringing the soul from it's birth state of spiritual darkness. To light and liberty of/in Christ.

(D) that the Gentiles may receive forgiveness of sins: That ALL their sins may be PARDONED. Thru faith placed in the sin atoning sacrifice. Found in death, burial & resurrection of Jesus the Christ

(E) and inheritance among the Gentiles that are sanctified by FAITH that is in CHRIST

Finally see mystery defined below
Eph 3:
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
(MY NOTE: This is one of many secrets God kept hidden)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
(MY NOTE: This mystery/secret in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men. IS NOW REVEALED!)

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
(MY NOTE: That GENTILES would be FELLOW-HEIRS & of the same (ONE) body. And partakers of God's promised/Eternal life giving Holy Spirit)

Eph mystery is revealed about 25 years after James epistle is written

KJV Dictionary Definition: MYS'TERY, n. L. mysterium; Gr. a secret, hiding or shutting; to shut, to conceal.
1. A profound secret; something wholly unknown or something kept cautiously concealed, and therefore exciting curiosity or wonder.
av1611.com

People are free to believe & promote whatever they choose. Having said that imposing law verses onto today's Body of Christ is unscriptural.

Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Scapegoat-Adventist website: "Satan will bear the sins of the righteous"

This thread will be testing by Scripture this Seventh-day Adventist teaching that Satan will bear the sins of the righteous.

This teaching is succinctly stated in the Adventist.org website article "What Adventists Believe About Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary" elaborating on Fundamental Belief #24. This is the official site of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.


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EDIT: As a result of this thread, and one of the SDA participants reaching out, the official Seventh-day Adventist website was changed! It now refers to other Ellen White statements which are softer, and more palatable to non-Adventists. It still refers to the scapegoat as satan, however.


In the earthly Day of Atonement service, there was a scapegoat (Leviticus 16). This animal symbolically received the sins from the sanctuary and carried them into the wilderness.​
In the final cleansing of sin from the universe, there will be a final scapegoat. Satan, the arch-deceiver, will bear the sins of the righteous. When the sanctuary in Heaven is cleansed, those sins will be transferred to Satan. www.Adventist.org (now edited)


More details on this teaching are presented by Ellen White, who's writings Adventists believe are inspired:

Great Controversy.

It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. When the high priest, by virtue of the blood of the sin offering, removed the sins from the sanctuary, he placed them upon the scapegoat. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty.
Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 16 (1901)

Satan is a diligent student of the Scriptures. He understands what is symbolized by the Jewish service. He sees that the day of atonement has a bearing on his life; that the scapegoat chosen to bear the sins of the people represents himself; that he must bear the sins of all who come to Jesus; and that those who continue in transgression must bear their own sins.​

Great Controversy

The wicked receive their recompense in the earth. Proverbs 11:31. They “shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 4:1. Some are destroyed as in a moment, while others suffer many days. All are punished “according to their deeds.” The sins of the righteous having been transferred to Satan, he is made to suffer not only for his own rebellion, but for all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit. His punishment is to be far greater than that of those whom he has deceived. After all have perished who fell by his deceptions, he is still to live and suffer on. In the cleansing flames the wicked are at last destroyed, root and branch—Satan the root, his followers the branches. The full penalty of the law has been visited; the demands of justice have been met; and heaven and earth, beholding, declare the righteousness of Jehovah.​

Spiritual Gifts Volume 1:

They must prevent all they could from receiving salvation purchased for them by Jesus. By so doing Satan could still work against the government of God. Also it would be for his own interest to keep from Jesus all he could. For the sins of those who are redeemed by the blood of Christ, and overcome, at last will be rolled back upon the originator of sin, the Devil, and he will have to bear their sins, while those who do not accept salvation through Jesus will bear their own sins.​

Early Writings:

Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan and all the wicked host were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, "Amen!"​

1LtMs, Ms 15, 1850, par. 8

Then I saw that Jesus’ work in the sanctuary was almost finished, almost finished, and after His work there is finished He will come to the door of the tabernacle, or door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the scape goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues come upon the wicked, and they do not come until Jesus puts on the garments of vengeance and takes His seat upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling the scape goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that bears him away. If he should effect his escape Israel would be destroyed (or slain). I saw that it would take time to bear him away into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put upon his head.

Patriarchs and Prophets:

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: and the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities into a land not inhabited." Not until the goat had been thus sent away did the people regard themselves as freed from the burden of their sins. Every man was to afflict his soul while the work of atonement was going forward.

Later in the chapter:

At the door of the tabernacle he laid his hands upon the head of the scapegoat and confessed over him "all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat." And as the goat bearing these sins was sent away, they were, with him, regarded as forever separated from the people.

later in the chapter:

Christ's work for the redemption of men and the purification of the universe from sin will be closed by the removal of sin from the heavenly sanctuary and the placing of these sins upon Satan, who will bear the final penalty.

The notion that there is still a "final penalty" that satan will bear for the sins of believers detracts from what Christ did on the cross. Christ paid in full for the sins of those who trust in Him, dying for them.

Satan will pay for his own sins, including temptation, in the lake of fire. But Jesus paid for the sins of His people.

The Scriptures indicate that Jesus died for the sins of those who have faith in Him. We have been justified by His blood:

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures​
Colossians 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight.​
Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.​
Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace​
I Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit​
1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.​

Moreover, Leviticus 16 indicates that atonement is made upon the scapegoat, with the sins of the people confessed over it, before it is sent out of the camp.

Leviticus 16:10 but the goat on which the lot fell for azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.​
Leviticus 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins. And he shall put them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who is in readiness. 22 The goat shall bear all their iniquities on itself to a remote area, and he shall let the goat go free in the wilderness.

satan has no role in atoning for the sins of God's people.

Just as the Sacrifice pointed to the work of Jesus, so the the scapegoat ritual shows Jesus, our High Priest, removing sin from the people, sending it away from the camp.

To attribute an aspect of the atonement for the sins of God's people to satan is unbiblical.

beware of storms

I'm from Florida, my family dodged a bullet with hurricane Idalia, it went to the 'big bend' area of Florida, not where I live. I prayed about hurricane Idalia. I believe in what Jesus Christ said about building your house on the rock, not on the sand. People who build their houses on sandy beaches loose that house every time a storm comes by, their house goes splat. Oh well, they're so rich they have many houses, who cares if they loose one beach house, they can just go and build/buy another one. Really building your house near water is very foolish, the house will flood.

Build your house on the rock of Jesus Christ! There might be real storms, but a firm faith in God will see you through lives storms, my faith has seen me through many storms.

I like Florida, even if it does get really hot here, it gets really hot other places during the summer too. In several states, especially the southwest, it gets hotter than Florida in the summer, real scorchers. In the northeast and New York City it had some real hot spots too. In Florida, however we have nice warm mild winters. in other places inis freezing cold with snow, ice sleet, hail. In Florida it is mostly sunny with some rain during the winter.

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Does Anybody on the Right Try to Understand the Left?

As I mentioned in another thread, I’m a big fan of the Know Your Enemy podcast, which is a long-running deep dive in the history of the intellectual wing of the Right, particularly in the US post WW1. Through them I’ve become aware of another podcast, In Bed with the Right, which covers similar ground but with an academically-minded focus on issues related to gender and sex. Others focus on legal theory and the supreme court.

Numerous columnists and writers have published pieces, especially in the wake of the 2016 election, from the Left pondering what the Left doesn’t understand about the Right. These writers aren’t merely dismissive of the Right; many (and most of the ones I find interesting) take the Right seriously even though the authors may not agree with them.

This material is common enough that I don’t even have to try to find new stuff; it just falls into my lap now. But I can’t think of a single counterpart on the Right who tries to understand the Left in the same way, and I’m wondering why that is. Do they not exist? Do they exist and I’m just not familiar with them? If they do exist, can anybody give me any recommendations?
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Is the play Book of Mormon mocking of faith?

A friend has asked me to go with her to see this musical. I'm not Mormon, but I don't want to go to any play that mocks the belief in God. I can't tell from researching if this one does, but stories say "parody" so it makes me think so. If it is, I don't want to go. Most of the reviews are very good but they're from secular sources so I don't trust them. It does say there is explicit language, which is probably enough for me to decline. Has anyone here seen it?

Romans 9 Question

Blessings Brothers and Sisters,

Does anyone have articles or links they can send me on the early Church’s’ interpretation of Romans 9? What I have found thus far is the early Church did not look at Romans 9 in a double predestination sense. I have not found many articles though, very few actually. Can anybody provide me their knowledge or links to papers and articles?

Thank you in advance!

Jeremiah and Ezekiel got something wrong?

Jeremiah 46 is about judgement on Egypt. In Jeremiah 46:13, the prophet states this prophecy will be specifically fulfilled through Nebuchadnezzar.

Jeremiah 46:19, "Pack your bags for exile, O daughter dwelling in Egypt. For Memphis will be laid waste, destroyed and uninhabited."

Problem here is Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt, he attacked it in 601BC, but failed.

Now Jeremiah is not the only one to get it wrong, IT SEEMS.

Ezekiel also prophecies that Egypt will fall and lay desolate for 40 years (Ezekiel 29:8-16) but to my knowledge, Egypt was never in such a state. Even during periods where they were under foreign rule (Persians, Assyrians, Romans) the cities were populated and it wasn't "desolate" (Ezekiel 29:10).

Also in Ezekiel, the prophet prophecies against the city of Tyre (Ezekiel 26-28), that Babylon will conquer it and destroy it. Nebuchadnezzar failed in this as well. Now on this point I will concede there may likely be more than a literal interpretation involved. In Ezekiel 28, the "ruler of Tyre" is famously compared to Lucifer. So perhaps Tyre in this sense is not the literal Tyre, but something else. I do not know, but Tyre the actual city was not conquered by Nebuchadnezzar. It's kind of interesting actually. In Ezekiel 29:17-21, there is apparently a correction made on the Tyre prophecy where the Lord has decided to give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar in place of Tyre. But like with Jeremiah's prophecy and Ezekiel's also, that wasn't accomplished.

Just wondering if anyone has any explanations for these? Maybe I'm missing something. I don't know.

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