Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

[Edial]

What's the point of having the ten commandments on school walls anyway? Letting people go to hell with good morals?

Ed

 

[holo]

We see things differently, and Jesus is the Shepherd of all of us.

I don't even really know what this thread is about anymore, hehe, I'm just so happy nowadays that I've started to realize what grace is all about, that when I see something that may slightly resemble legalism, I kinda freak out.

And when I did a search for "law" and "faith" on www.biblegateway.com, I couldn't help but rejoice and cut and paste a lot (to the disappointment of anyone who would think I know the bible by heart).

For example, http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword...ith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10

I may be over the top, but so is Jesus, and good news is never out of style.

Bless you all.

 

[GypsyBella]

We see things differently, and Jesus is the Shepherd of all of us.

I don't even really know what this thread is about anymore, hehe, I'm just so happy nowadays that I've started to realize what grace is all about, that when I see something that may slightly resemble legalism, I kinda freak out.

And when I did a search for "law" and "faith" on www.biblegateway.com, I couldn't help but rejoice and cut and paste a lot (to the disappointment of anyone who would think I know the bible by heart).

For example, http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10

I may be over the top, but so is Jesus, and good news is never out of style.

Bless you all.

He he he... Bible Gateway is the best website in the world...

Bless you too, holo!

 

[Cliff2]

We see things differently, and Jesus is the Shepherd of all of us.

I don't even really know what this thread is about anymore, hehe, I'm just so happy nowadays that I've started to realize what grace is all about, that when I see something that may slightly resemble legalism, I kinda freak out.

And when I did a search for "law" and "faith" on www.biblegateway.com, I couldn't help but rejoice and cut and paste a lot (to the disappointment of anyone who would think I know the bible by heart).

For example, http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10

I may be over the top, but so is Jesus, and good news is never out of style.

Bless you all.

No need to freak out as law and grace go together. Just like a hand in a glove.

 

[GypsyBella]

No need to freak out as law and grace go together. Just like a hand in a glove.

 

[TheDag]

If you do away with the law (10 commandments) you do away with sin, Because 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law, therfore no law, no sin....

Pablosrun I guessed you missed my earlier post where I said if you read this verse in context (read verse 6) then that would mean we are perfect and never sin which means if we do sin then we aren't christians.
That obviously isn't true so the sin mentioned in verse 4 isn't talking about our everyday sin but something else.

 

[TheDag]

First and foremost, I hope your head feels better.

Thanks my I'm feeling much better now although last night my wife was seriously thinking about calling an ambulance for me at one stage.

I know what you mean about the crosswalk thing... I often hear that about going the speed limit... Yeah, I agree that we shouldn't force our beliefs on anybody, but I also think that it's important to share your beliefs (with scriptural references) with others. I suppose delivery is the key.

Woohoo! we agree!

I find myself having to apologize for the behavior of other SDA's quite often... ha ha ha! Actually, I probably argue with SDA's more often than non-SDA's do. The Bible doesn't say anything about what day to worship on. It says what day to rest on. As far as the calendar is concerned, no matter how months and years were divided, there have always been seven days in the week. Even the Jewish people of today recognize that. God told us to remember that seventh day. That's why I do it. I find it hard to believe that God would ask us to remember something that we can't figure out in the first place.

Not every country has the start of the week being sunday. In countries that they traditionally do consider sunday to be the start of the week alot of people and places tare treating monday as the start of the week and their calenders reflect that. As I said earlier (and I know alot disagree with me on this) but I consider that you can choose which day you make the sabbath and you should keep that day holy. I don't think it bothers God at all. Of course our lives should be a sacrifice to God and we should be praising him always as well.

Regarding the organ music... geez... I don't even wanna go there... my husband and I play guitar at church a lot. I mean seriously... what did people do before the organ?

I agree we shouldn't go into what instruments are ok to use. The person who said that to me also gave me & my mum a video tape to watch to back up her view. The tape also said we shouldn't listen to rock music. It was interesting having her living with us for several months (although it was also good cause she insisted on doing the dishes every night as a way of paying for staying at our house).

Okay... and on to the next text (we're getting really good at carrying on multiple conversations at once, huh?). Were the instructions that Paul gave actually "laws"? Or suggestions? In most places I find that Paul writes in the best interest of who he is writing to. In one place he writes that it is better not to marry, and in another we read that it is better to marry than to burn with lust. They aren't contradictory... they are just written to different people in different situations. What do you think?

In several places Paul says this is I talking not the Lord or he says not I but the Lord says. This shows in places he does offer his own opinions but in places where it is the Lord then that would make them commands (or commandments). I agree Paul was writing to certain situations but I often see those kinds of situations and think we should take the principal mentioned in Pauls letter and apply that to our situation. I must also confess I was seeing if I could get a rise from anyone by mentioning the verse that says women should cover their heads. I believe their is an underlying principle in that passage of respect and submission which we should follow. I don't think it is to be taken literally. If you want to see further opinions of mine on that passage go to the Mens Corner forum and look at thread titled Women should wear a hat to church.

 

[Cliff2]

If you do away with the law (10 commandments) you do away with sin, Because 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law, therfore no law, no sin....

I agree, no law, no sin, then why do we need a Saviour?

 

[Oblio]

For one thing, even if we were to live a sinless life, we would still die. Without a Saviour, we remain separated from God, and are corruptible.

 

[Cliff2]

For one thing, even if we were to live a sinless life, we would still die. Without a Saviour, we remain separated from God, and are corruptible.

It will never happen but if it were possible to live without sinning we would not die.

In the Garden of Eden it was God's plan for Adam & Eve to live without sin forever. They sinned and died and needed a Saviour just like we do.

"The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal through Jesus Christ our Lord"

 

[Oblio]

It will never happen but if it were possible to live without sinning we would not die.

Did Christ sin ?

Did He die on the Cross ?

 

[GypsyBella]

Did Christ sin ?

Did He die on the Cross ?

That's completely different. Christ chose to die.

It is still, however, my personal opinion that we would still die. There is sin in the world. We are born into the sin of our ancestors. Pollution, genetic issues, disease, etc... are these not the result of sin?

 

[Cliff2]

Did Christ sin ?

Did He die on the Cross ?

Of course I am not talking Christ, He was sinless. He never sinned in thought, word or deed.

Christ did die on the cross for sinners. It was because of this gift we can have eternal life.

I do not really understand your post.

 

[BrightCandle]

Of course I am not talking Christ, He was sinless. He never sinned in thought, word or deed.

Christ did die on the cross for sinners. It was because of this gift we can have eternal life.

I do not really understand your post.

Amen!!

 

[Cliff2]

Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

The whle point here in this thread is that if we break the 4th commandment willingly and wilfully then why worry about the other nine?

If I break the tenth then am I sinning?

I believe so. Then it also applies to each and every one of them in the same way.

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

It has been amusing to me, here in the United States, regarding all the recent concern that Christian judges, churches, and organizations have regarding the removal of various historic monuments of the Ten Commandments in public places, like court houses, capital buildings, parks, etc., etc., while the majority of Christians in favor of the their not being removed are not keeping the 4th Commandment [7th day Sabbath]. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), could easily point out this inconsistency to the embarassment of those Christians calling for the Ten Commandments to not be removed on the grounds that their visibility in public places will discourage lawlessness, while the very same Christians are being "lawless" by breaking the 4th Commandment.

And I find just as amusing as someone preaching against breaking the 4th while endorsing and supporting the breaking of the 6th. I see that you are a Democrat. Wow-you are supporting all those mass baby killings thru abortion. I think God would be more concerned with murder than with sabbath keeping. Someone has a plank in their eye....

 

[JustinWindsor]

“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.” (Rom 3:21-26)

 

[deu58]

Hi Cliff and Bright Candle

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

As you can see we have an exhortation to gather together, We have instructions from the Lord to keep the Eucharist, We have exhortations from Paul to keep our worship services pure,


1co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

1co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

1co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

1co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

1co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.

1co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Jesus is our rest, When we pollute our worship and the Eucharist, We are violating the 4th commandment under the New Testament Law of Christ, It is all about Jesus, Not an abolished OT holy day,


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[Cliff2]

As you can see we have an exhortation to gather together, We have instructions from the Lord to keep the Eucharist, We have exhortations from Paul to keep our worship services pure,

So what we have with you thoughts here is that we should follow the example of Paul.

We look into the New Testament we see that Paul's custom was to worship on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.

 

[GypsyBella]

touche!