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Where in scripture does it say to repent of your sins to get saved?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by DM25, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. TheSeabass

    TheSeabass Well-Known Member

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    No verse says sins that remain un-repented are covered by the blood of Christ.

    Again, can the Christian in my example live and die impenitently in adultery and still be saved?
     
  2. Dr. Jack

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    If he was truly saved, and dies committing adultery, he will face Jesus as a disobedient child ... how is that sin different from your own. Are you sure you have no sins of the heart; pride, anger, and the such that you have not repented of?
     
  3. TheSeabass

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    What does this mean? Will he be saved or lost?


    I admit I sin, no secret there. But as long as the Christian continues to walk in the light, the Christ's blood cleanses away ALL sins and this includes sins of ignorance or committed unknowingly. 1 John 1:7-10

    1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

    Both verses 7 and 9 begin with a conditional "if" for the Christian.
     
  4. klutedavid

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    Are your sins forgiven or not?
     
  5. Dr. Jack

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    Let me deal with these two statements ...

    They are true!

    But here is the question I have for you ...

    Have either of these two men do anything on the list they spoke of?

    You're missing the point!

    Is he telling his people; go sin all you want? No!

    He is telling them that God has there salvation secure, stop worrying about your own salvation if you're a believer, and start telling others about your great God.

    I remember years ago, (mid 80's) Jimmy Swaggart stood behind the pulpit (preaching as you do) that he wouldn't give a nickel for a church that had sinners in it.

    About a month later, he was caught with a prostitute. He then made his famous confession and prayer at the pulpit.

    In 1991 that same Jimmy Swaggart was caught once again with a prostitute. This time there was no repentance, yet he continued to preach.

    The difference is, he was a complete hypocrite.

    Then we have Jim Bakker ...

    "A cover-up of hush money paid to a church secretary, Jessica Hahn, for an alleged rape led to his resignation from the ministry. Subsequent revelations of accounting fraud brought about his conviction, imprisonment and divorce. Bakker later remarried and returned to televangelism, where he founded his new ministry Morningside Church in Blue Eye, Missouri and currently hosts The Jim Bakker Show, which focuses on the end of days and return of Christ."
    Jim Bakker - Wikipedia

    I don't care what the denomination, we all have those that to wickedness.

    Nevertheless, that doesn't change the truth of Scripture. Not a single Scripture reference refers to "temporary salvation". If we can lose our salvation, that is all we have.
     
  6. Dr. Jack

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    Again, did you as a child ever have to confess wrongdoing to your parents?
    Did you being a part of that family depend upon that confession?

    What you are preaching here is that God the Father is less gracious than your earthly parents.

    It was the fact that EVEN when you violated your parents rules, they were still your parents.

    Now when I grew up, there was old fashioned discipline ... Dad knew how to use his belt.

    If you didn't have the desire to repent ... He would educate you as to why you should.

    It reminds me of ...

    12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Hebrews

    What we have is a Father who, when we don't seem to get the point, doesn't kick us out of the family ... He gets out the rod of chastisement ... for who?

    For His rebellious children.
     
  7. TheSeabass

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    The physical, blood relationship is not the same as the spiritual.

    --the prodigal was alive spiritually when he was with his father. He left his father and died spiritually, returned to his father was alive 'again'. (Luke 15:24). Though one can be alive, die, be alive again, die, be alive again spiritually, this does not happen in the physical realm, (Hebrews 9:27). One can be alive physically but dead spiritually.

    -- John 1:12 before one becomes a Christian, one is a child of Satan. Upon being born again, one is then a child of God. So while one maintains the same blood father, one's spiritual father can change.

    2 Peter 1:4 Christians, children of God, are those who are partakers of God's Divine nature. Example, Matthew 5:44-45 as long as one has and retains this nature of God (love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you) one remains a child of God. Those that stop doing as God says do not retain that Divine nature, therefore no longer a son of God.

    --under the OT the Jews were God's chosen, God's children but when they disobeyed God said He would disinherit them, Numbers 14:12. When they rejected Christ, God rejected them (Romans 11) and cast them off from being His. The Jews thought they were still the children of God (John 8:41) but Jesus told them the devil was their father (John 8:44). Again, one's spiritual father can and does change for the Jews could be grafted in 'again' (Romans 11:23) go from having the devil as their father to having God has their Father 'again'.

    --to become a child of God one must be born again, John 3:5, but one becomes a child of God thru adoption (Romans 8:23) and does not have the same blood/dna physical relationship that physical born children have with their natural father. The new birth is spiritual, not physical.
     
  8. TheSeabass

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    Yes. I continue to walk in the light, Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins. 1 John 1:7
     
  9. TheSeabass

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    Was the Christian, in the example I gave, who ran off and lived and died impenitently in adultery be saved or not?
     
  10. sdowney717

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    repent of your unbelief is what Peter meant.
     
  11. CharismaticLady

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    John 3:3
    Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Being born again is receiving the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 8:9
    9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

    Repentance from sin is the prerequisite to receiving the Holy Spirit, which you must have to be saved.

    Acts of the Apostles 2:38
    38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
     
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  12. Guojing

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    Under the Gospel of the Kingdom, its for Jews to repent or change their mind about Jesus. They must change their mind and believe that Jesus is their promised Messiah and the Son of God that was sent to be their King. Peter and Martha both acknowledged that.

    Under the Gospel of Grace, us Gentiles don't need to repent per se. We need to believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose again on the third day as a sign that our sins are now forgiven, and we stand justified before God.
     
  13. CharismaticLady

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    I disagree about Gentiles. Repentance is repentance from our sins. Jesus came to take away our sins. Just before Jesus' ministry, John the Baptist was preaching repentance, and those he baptized confessed THEIR SINS.

    Matthew 3:1
    In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying:

    “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
    ‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
    Make His paths straight.’ ”

    4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

    1 John 1:9
    If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1 John 3:5
    And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
     
  14. Guojing

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    You disagree about my point regarding the gentiles and then you quote scripture like Matthew which is written for the Jews, and where Jesus himself stated he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

    As for 1 John, it is also written to the Jews. John was confined by the proclamation in Galatians 2 that he is to minister only to the circumcised.
     
  15. CharismaticLady

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    Do Gentiles sin or not? Jesus came to take away OUR SIN. That's the Church, both Jew and Gentile. That's what I meant. Besides the Gentiles came into the same church that was started for the Jews.

    What I also disagreed with your opinion that the Jews had to accept Jesus as their Messiah (which I agree, but you left off repentance from sin, as if it doesn't matter. The whole point of His coming was to undo what Adam lost by bringing sin into the world, and death. God is a holy God and wants His people to actually be holy, and not just with a covering while you stink underneath.
     
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  16. Guojing

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    In case you are unclear about what Paul declared as the "gospel for salvation", its in 1 Cor 15, which was also backed by other passages in his letters, such as Romans 10:9

    Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    In his letters, Paul never stated that "repentance from sins" as part of the salvation process.

    As for the Jews, let's hear how Jesus respond to Peter Matthew 16:13-20

    13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

    14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
    18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
     
  17. CharismaticLady

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    I was in Church for 30 years and never had even an answer to prayer, and had no power over sin. Then one night I truly repented and the Holy Spirit came upon me and filled me to overflowing and has never left. Since them I have 7 of the 9 gifts of the Spirit, plus dreams and visions, 100% of prayers are answered, and no desire at all to sin.

    God sees the heart. He honors those who obey Him without looking for loop-holes.
     
  18. GOD Shines Forth!

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    What does that have to do with what Guojing wrote? He gave Scripture. You wrote personal testimony which, no offense, is not on par with Scripture.
     
  19. CharismaticLady

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    I gave scripture he wouldn't accept, and it appears, neither do you. He claims Gentiles don't have to REPENT to be saved. My life is a confirmation that you do. "Repent...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38 (That's scripture by the way, in multiple posts, pardon the sarcasm, but you attacked)
     
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  20. GOD Shines Forth!

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    Thank you for replying. I did not attack, use sarcasm, or deny your testimony (which sounds awesome). Still, your testimony is NOT conclusive, that is just a fact. Only Scripture is conclusive.

    I missed the Acts 2 reference in earlier posts. It still begs the question re: "Where in scripture does it say to repent of your sins to get saved?".

    Regardless. I'm glad you ARE saved and are walking in Truth! Be blessed today!
     
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