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Where in scripture does it say to repent of your sins to get saved?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by DM25, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. hedrick

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    2:5-6 shows that they were devout Jews. 2:12 ff shows that they were mystified by the tongues. Peter then addressed them. 2:37 ff describes their reaction to Peter's speech. Their conversion is in response to that speech, and presumably seeing the action of the Holy Spirit. Though they needed Peter's explanation before they understood that.
     
  2. bling

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    I agree with what you are saying and would add the fact they were hearing tons a stuff about Jesus over the last 50 days, so this is the culmination of what they learned in the last 50 days and maybe before that. You can say all that was the work of the Spirit, but they still had a choice to turn (repent) or not turn which many Pharisees were not ready to turn at this time.
    I do not see what they did, as being "work" and it would have been harder (more effort) to refuse than to accept. They were going to have to allow someone to baptize them, which is not jumping through a hop.
     
  3. TheSeabass

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    If one is not repenting of his sins, transgressions against God, then what is one repenting of?

    Ezekiel 18:30

    Luke 17:3
     
  4. Dr. Jack

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    1) You are correct.
    2) There is much confusion over this matter because rather than "study", most people simply read commentaries. (Yes, I have shelves of them, yes, I've read many of them; but the final authority is the Bible.)
    3) The person that provided the Greek μετανοέω was correct.
    4) The text ...
    13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke
    Simply shows that we must stop believing "A", and start believing "B".
    5) Consider this ...
    3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John
    Jesus said, the person who believes in Hin, is not condemned; while the person who doesn't believe in Him, is condemned already.

    What is the difference?

    33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. Ezekiel

    Notice the word "own" in the above text. The Israelites thought that by turning from sin, they became righteous. But God had Ezekiel tell them that they were trusting then in THEIR OWN righteousnes to save them.

    That is what "repentance from sin FOR salvation does ... nothing!

    God wanted them to STOP believing in THEIR OWN righteousnes ("A"); and start believing in HIS righteousnesses ("B").

    10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans

    Did you notice, there is NOTHING about sin mentioned here?

    3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus

    Notice:
    A) No works of righteousness ... If we turn from our sins, (for salvation) that is a work of righteousness.
    B) He saved us. ... by the washing of regeneration.
    Again, no mention of sin here either.

    Should we repent of sins? Absolutely. (But NOT for salvation.)

    I hope this helped.
     
  5. TheSeabass

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    Repent does mean change of mind, but it takes more than just a change of mind to be saved:


    Acts of the Apostles 26:20 "But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance."

    It takes repentance (change of mind) and an action in turning to God (obeying God's commands) and do works meet for repentance. A changing of the mind will not save without a turning to God. And without works meet for repentance, a change of mind did not take place.

    Just as James points out that works are needed to prove faith, it is also true that "works meet for repentance" are needed to prove the change of mind. One who has changed his mind is to do works/deeds that are appropriate for a changed mind. One who has not changed from doing wicked works (sin) to obeying God has not changed his mind (not repented).

    Acts of the Apostles 8:22 "Repent therefore of this thy wickedness..."

    Revelation 2:21-22 "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

    Revelation 9:20-21
     
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  6. Lulav

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    Just as Yeshua expounded from the scriptures at the time to the two men on the road from Emmaus which made them understand him and what he was to fulfill, so Peter did the same thing to many more. Three thousand repented of the crucifixion and in any part they had, not understanding these things before.

    5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound rang out, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking his own language...we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”..............Then Peter stood up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and addressed the crowd: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem.............21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved...22 Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
    29 Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
    32 God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
    36 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”
     
  7. Dr. Jack

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    The problem is, "and" is a conjunction. It links two individual things together; knowing that the two things mentioned are in fact different things.

    My dad would often tell me a list of things he wanted me to do while he was at work.

    Cut the grass, and wash the car, and take out the trash.

    All these are linked with the conjunction "and", but each one was a separate job.

    26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Acts

    1 Repent =:have a change of mind about what you believe.
    2 Turn to God = now that you believe in God for your salvation; turn to him as your Lord.
    3 do works meet for repentance = allow your life to show that you believe in God, rather than your own self righteous works.

    Now AFTER salvation we have this tendency to still sin. But now we see the believer being called to allow God to sanctify his life. None of these references (written to saved people) are talking about repentance to KEEP them saved, but rather, to bring holiness to their lives that they might bring glory to the Heavenly Father.
     
  8. klutedavid

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    In answer to your question.

    They must repent of their unbelief.
     
  9. Dr. Jack

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    I know you're trying to be sincere, but your Bible is a version that put "God fearing" in verse 5, but that isn't what it says.

    The KJ uses the word "devout" which means to be religiously pious. (Which the Jews were)

    The Greek word for God is Θεος, and the Greek word for "fear" is φοβέω (where we get phobia).

    Acts 2:5: reads as follows in Greek.

    Ἦσαν δὲ ἐν Ἰερουσαλὴμ κατοικοῦντες Ἰουδαῖοι, ἄνδρες εὐλαβεῖς, ἀπὸ παντὸς ἔθνους τῶν ὑπὸ τὸν οὐρανόν ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 2:5 TR1894

    Notice please, that there is neither the word Θεος, or the word φοβέω.

    What we do have are the words Ἰουδαῖοι, ἄνδρες εὐλαβεῖς rendered "Jews, devout men".

    They were devout in their Judaism, not their Christianity.
     
  10. TheSeabass

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    I agree. But the conjunction "and" ties all together making them ALL (repentance, turning, works) all necessary. Repentance along without turning and works is no good and cannot save.

    1) I agree that repent means a change of mind.
    2) Turn to God - means to do what God has said, obey His commands.
    3) do works, repentance requires works. If one robbed a bank then repents of it, he then must do works meet for repentance and return the money or make some kind of reconciliation of those he harmed for one cannot keep and live on the fruits of what one stole. Romans 13:8 Paul says 'own no man anything'. One definition Thayer gives of "owe" is to bring harm to another without making amends. One has not repented, changed his mind, unless/until one makes amends, reconciliation with those whom one harmed/sinned against.

    Hence salvation is not by faith alone, not by mere mental assent of the mind in just acknowledging one's sin but one must DO something about the sins he committed, do works meet for repentance.

    No verse states that all of the sins a Christians commits are just unconditionally, automatically forgiven, but the Christian must repent of his sins (change his mind)and do works worthy of that change of mind or he has not changed his mind. Acts of the Apostles 8:22.
    Luke 13:3 the impenitent, any and all of them, whether one became a Christian or not, will perish.
     
  11. Dr. Jack

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    Let me ask you a question ...

    Have you ever had go to your biological father and repent for something you did while growing up?

    I know I did ... Yet during that whole time, my sonship was NEVER in question. Repentance to restore a proper relationship, and repentance to begin a relationship (salvation) are two different measures of repentance.
     
  12. TheSeabass

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    Unbelief is a sin. So if one repents of unbelief he is repenting of a sin.

    Acts 2:36-38 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

    In this context, Peter convicted them with the sin of crucifying the Christ. Upon hearing that conviction of sin against the Christ, they were pricked in their hearts of this sin they had committed, it bothered their conscience so to speak to the point of them asking what they must do. And the answer Peter gave them for their conscience (1 Peter 3:21) was to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. They 1) believed which that belief would lead them to 1) repent and 3) be baptized.

    Did they repent of their unbelief in Christ? Yes.
    Did they repent of the sin committed against the Christ? Yes.

    Then in what way then did they show the necessary, required 'works meet for repentance" to prove they had a change of mind (repented)? Submitted to water baptism (turn to God) and followed His command to be baptized. Had they refused to be baptized for remission of sins, that would prove they never repented.
     
  13. TheSeabass

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    Sin is separation from God and nowhere has God ever forgiven ANY impenitent person. Therefore the Christians sins will separate him from God eternally if the Christian remains impenitent.

    If one becomes a Christian for many years, faithful in church attendance, faithful in Bible study leading others to Christ but then one day has a new neighbor move in that has a nice looking young wife. His emotions get the best of him and he runs off with this other man's wife living and dying in adultery impenitently. Are you suggesting he will be saved even when the Bible says adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 6:9.
     
  14. Dr. Jack

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    If you read the OP, that isn't the question posed therein ... The question is a direct application to having to repent of all sins FOR SALVATION.
     
  15. Dr. Jack

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    Actually, Jesus said ...

    5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew

    So does this mean if he dies while merely thinking about it in his heart ... he goes to hell?
     
  16. Dr. Jack

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    I sincerely believe that when the OP was written for this thread, the person who wrote it believes in hily living.

    There is a difference between living holy to glorify God, and living holy to either be saved, or even maintain one's salvation. The two are NOT the same.

    OSAS is not a doctrine that gives people a license to sin; but rather, the ability to serve.

    Many use extreme examples like running of with the neighbors wife and committing adultery, while at the same time having a heart full of bitterness toward a believer. The truth is, if our salvation does not rest in the finished work of Christ, we have no salvation at all.

    Who among us right here could stand at the place where the woman was taken in adultery, and at the words of Jesus "he among you that is without sin, cast the first stone", could have casted the first stone? Are there any here of us that can say, I am without sin ... yet here we are, all of us proclaiming that we are saved!

    Saved, and yet sinners ... doesn't this show the grace and mercy of our great salvation in Christ?
     
  17. TheSeabass

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    How many un-repented of sins will one enter heaven with? 0
     
  18. TheSeabass

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    Yes, adultery, lust whether physical/acted out or thought about in the heart is sin that separates one from God.

    So in my example, will that Christian be saved having lived and impenitently died in the sin of adultery?
     
  19. Dr. Jack

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    My sin is ALL under the blood.
     
  20. TheSeabass

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    Salvation comes with conditions (such as belief and repentance) and as long as the conditions continue to be met, one will continue to have the promise of eternal life.

    Giving a license to sin is the VERY thing OSAS does do. I have seen devout "church going" people lie, cheat steal, etc knowing better but did it anyway having been told they cannot lose their salvation.

    "Sam Morris, a Baptist preacher in Stamford, Texas wrote...... “We take the position that a Christian's sins do not damn his soul. The way a Christian lives, what he says, his character, his conduct, or his attitude toward other people have nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul... All the prayers a man may pray, all the Bibles he may read, all the churches he may belong to, all the services he may attend, all the sermons he may practice, all the debts he may pay, all the ordinances he may observe, all the laws he may keep, all the benevolent acts he may per-form will not make his soul one whit safer; and all the sins he may commit from idolatry to murder will not make his soul in any more danger... The way a man lives has nothing whatever to do with the salvation of his soul... The way I live has nothing whatsoever to do with the salvation of my soul" [Do a Christian’s Sins Damn His Soul?]."

    "Bill Foster, Baptist preacher in Louisville, KY commented: "If I killed my wife and mother and debauched a thousand women, I couldn't go to hell -- in fact, I couldn't go to hell if I wanted to. If on the judgment day, I should find that my loved ones are lost and should lose all desire to be saved, and should beg God to send me to hell with them, He couldn't do it" (The Weekly Worker, March 12, 1959)."

    I could cite others, but the two above examples should suffice in making my point. If OSAS were true, then the above quotes would be true.

    Again, was the Christian in my example, according to you, be saved or lost?
    If "Yes", then why?
    If "No", then why?
     
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