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Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

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"You still haven't shown any evidence that those resurrected at Jesus' death were transformed and transported to heaven."

[John 3:13; 1 Corinthians 15:20-23]

This is still true as we speak

What is your motive to prove your point?
I have no idea how those two verses you posted are supposed to prove anything.

My motive is to stop people making unsubstantiated claims about scripture. If you can't support it with scripture, you shouldn't claim it to be fact.
 
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My 1st thought is that the SECOND RESURRECTION is so named in the Bible because to be a SECOND there must have been a FIRST. Now that is just common sense to me but YOU of course are free to think as you please.
Common sense should have also told you that I said a verse proving Christ returns "before" the 2nd resurrection. Or is this just one of your tactics for avoiding the truth?


Rev. 20:4-6.....
"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

It seems clear to me that there is a FIRST Resurrection because the Bible says........
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION!!!

So, if there is a FIRST there certainly must be a seconf!


Then verse 6 says.................
"Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."
Forgive me for not knowing. I am so shallow.
 
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When people are removed. One person is taken, and the other left. That's the rapture.

Those who speak prophecy know there is a rapture. So, although I have no idea where the word rapture came from, it doesn't seem far from being an imparted bit of knowledge God passed to his people. Shouldn't be against this.

The rapture is different from Christ's return or any resurrections.
The word rapture came from the greek harpatzo I think is how you say/spell it. I personally dont believe that there is a "rapture". Noone in the history of the world has been spared any calamity or "tribulation". Some refer to Noah and say that the ark was a forshadowing of this "rapture" however I beg to differ. Noah and his family were not spared "tribulation", they were only spared death. A simple study in Genesis shows how trying their lives were. Anyway, just my thoughts.

Blessings!
 
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The word rapture came from the greek harpatzo I think is how you say/spell it. I personally dont believe that there is a "rapture". Noone in the history of the world has been spared any calamity or "tribulation". Some refer to Noah and say that the ark was a forshadowing of this "rapture" however I beg to differ. Noah and his family were not spared "tribulation", they were only spared death. A simple study in Genesis shows how trying their lives were. Anyway, just my thoughts.

Blessings!

Rapture will happen so the people of Heaven can have the Holy ones on Earth, to do things with and have fun with.
It's not for escape, it's for fun and joy.
 
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"I have no idea how those two verses you posted are supposed to prove anything."


This does not surprise me

You obviously have no idea, or you are just ignoring on purpose

I gave you direct scripture on the matter ..... and you ask for scripture
Maybe I misunderstood you. Those two verses you posted prove that those people resurrected at Jesus' death did not get transformed and go to heaven. I thought you were supporting the notion that they did. My mistake. Turns out we are in agreement.
 
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You still haven't shown any evidence that those resurrected at Jesus' death were transformed and transported to heaven.

You never asked for evidence. Why do you expect something you never asked for?

You only questioned how is it possible to fit billions of people into a city. How do you know it's a city on earth? Where do you think people go after getting resurrected, New York city?

You said:

Billions? My bible says "many". It also says they went into the city, so I'm not sure how you would fit billions of people inside the city.

Billions? My bible says "many". It also says they went into the city, so I'm not sure how you would fit billions of people inside the city.

Lastseven,

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.



Post 396 seems to show that you did write it but I think maybe Major1 messed up the quote and made his words appear to be part of your quote.

I rest my case. See how you're as blind as a bat?







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My motive is to stop people making unsubstantiated claims about scripture. If you can't support it with scripture, you shouldn't claim it to be fact.

Yet you claimed a large number of people stayed on earth as the walking dead after being resurrected 2000 years ago.

If you can't support it with scripture, you shouldn't claim it to be fact.









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Yet you claimed a large number of people stayed on earth as the walking dead after being resurrected 2000 years ago.

If you can't support it with scripture, you shouldn't claim it to be fact.
I don't think the bible actually says about those persons or Lazarus of Bethany after he came back alive, from being dead four days.

Note the words Jesus spoke to Lazarus are similar (but not exact because there is no "up hither") to the words John heard in Revelation 4:1 as he suddenly found himself in heaven and the two witnesses called up in Revelation 11:12 Come up hither. consider.... My sheep hear my voice...


John 11:
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
 
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You never asked for evidence. Why do you expect something you never asked for?

You only questioned how is it possible to fit billions of people into a city. How do you know it's a city on earth? Where do you think people go after getting resurrected, New York city?

You said:

Billions? My bible says "many". It also says they went into the city, so I'm not sure how you would fit billions of people inside the city.


Obviously that means it doesn't make sense, so if you believe it to be true, show me the evidence.

Lastseven,

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

It's not that I refuse to believe it, but rather there is no evidence to support it. If you can show me the evidence, I'll reconsider.

In the meantime, the fact that they went into the city proves that it was a local event, and the fact that the bible says "many" not "all the dead" proves that not everybody was resurrected. Furthermore, if they had been transformed and taken to heaven it would've been a big deal and it would've said so.

I rest my case. See how you're as blind as a bat?
Be nice. His words were included in your quote, so it's not my fault.
 
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Rapture will happen so the people of Heaven can have the Holy ones on Earth, to do things with and have fun with.
It's not for escape, it's for fun and joy.

I truely hope that Pre-trib is correct however I am just focusing on our LORD and trusting regardless of what happens.

May YHWH bless you all
 
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I truely hope that Pre-trib is correct however I am just focusing on our LORD and trusting regardless of what happens.
As there is nowhere in the Bible that says living people will be taken to heaven, then your hope for a rapture before anything bad happens, will not be realized.
However, we are told to trust in Him, as you are doing and He promises to save and protect all who call on Him in the Day of wrath. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
 
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Maybe I misunderstood you. Those two verses you posted prove that those people resurrected at Jesus' death did not get transformed and go to heaven. I thought you were supporting the notion that they did. My mistake. Turns out we are in agreement.
You are arguing over a contradiction, over a verse that shouldn't be in the scriptures.












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Yet you claimed a large number of people stayed on earth as the walking dead after being resurrected 2000 years ago.

If you can't support it with scripture, you shouldn't claim it to be fact.
Alright, you want me to support it with scripture? All we have to do is look at the scripture in question and put on our critical thinking caps. It's not hard.

Matthew 27
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

Nowhere does it say these people were transformed and went to heaven, so we can't assume that's what happened. Let's see what it actually does say.

1. It says they "appeared to many people", which means they stayed on earth after they came to life.

2. It says that "their bodies were raised to life", which means they did not get new spiritual bodies as would be required for them to go to heaven.

3. It says that the centurion and those guarding Jesus "saw all that had happened" which means they witnessed these resurrected people go into the city, which means it was the city on earth, not in heaven.

So there you have three very strong clues to indicate that they stayed on earth
and not a single clue that they went to heaven, so please stop using this event as any kind of proof for some supposed future rapture because this proves nothing of the sort.
 
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In the meantime, the fact that they went into the city proves that it was a local event, and the fact that the bible says "many" not "all the dead" proves that not everybody was resurrected. Furthermore, if they had been transformed and taken to heaven it would've been a big deal and it would've said so.

You're so blind you can't even read straight.

Matthew 27:50-53 New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.


1) The bible said those resurrected appeared to "many."

The bible is not referring to those resurrected as "many."

This proves you're wrong and can't read straight.

2) How do you know those resurrected appeared to many in an earthly city?

The bible said they went to the holy city. You still haven't answer the question I've asked a week ago. Show me any evidence the large number of people in Matthew 27 walked the earth after being resurrected 2000 years ago.

If you think they appeared to many people on earth, you should have no problems finding evidence on the internet.

Why don't you also prove the New Jerusalem in heaven is not a city.


It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.


Be nice. His words were included in your quote, so it's not my fault.

No!!! His words were included in his quote. I never quoted him or his words. See how blind you are?

Another one of your mistake, obviously your fault again. And you still haven't apologize for your last error.

It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.






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Which verse shouldn't be in scripture?
The one you're arguing about. No one is resurrected until the 1st resurrection but Christ. The 4 Gospels contradict each other because the book isn't without fault


























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Alright, you want me to support it with scripture? All we have to do is look at the scripture in question and put on our critical thinking caps. It's not hard.

Matthew 27
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

Nowhere does it say these people were transformed and went to heaven, so we can't assume that's what happened. Let's see what it actually does say.

1. It says they "appeared to many people", which means they stayed on earth after they came to life.

2. It says that "their bodies were raised to life", which means they did not get new spiritual bodies as would be required for them to go to heaven.

3. It says that the centurion and those guarding Jesus "saw all that had happened" which means they witnessed these resurrected people go into the city, which means it was the city on earth, not in heaven.

So there you have three very strong clues to indicate that they stayed on earth
and not a single clue that they went to heaven, so please stop using this event as any kind of proof for some supposed future rapture because this proves nothing of the sort.


Alright, you want me to support it with scripture?

Do you understand big-bold-red-letters written in English?

Lastseven,

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.


Lastseven,

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.

Why don't you prove those people that were resurrected 2000 years ago in Matthew 27:50-53 roamed the earth as walking deads if you refuse to believe they went to heaven.


I'm not asking you to give your interpretation of what Matthew 27:50-53 means.


It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.


1. It says they "appeared to many people", which means they stayed on earth after they came to life.

That's your argument? Because they appeared to many, it has to be earth? :doh::doh::doh:

Your thinking is obviously flawed. How many angels do you think are in heaven? One!?


It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.


2. It says that "their bodies were raised to life", which means they did not get new spiritual bodies as would be required for them to go to heaven.

More knucklehead logic filled with flaws.

So you're saying if the dead are resurrected, they can only be alive if they stay on earth but if they're resurrected and appeared in heaven, they stay dead?

Oh yeah that's sound concrete evidence they stayed on earth because the bible didn't say they received a spiritul body either. Just assume they all recieved an earthly physical body even though the bible doesn't mentioned that either.

The type of body you get depends on where you end up, earth or heaven. 99.9999999% of all people raised from the dead went to heaven. The only exception the bible mentioned was Lazarus.

If the bible can document just one person: Lazarus living on earth after his resurrection, why can't you find a single verse about a large group of people resurrected in Matthew 27:50-53 living on earth too?


It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.


3. It says that the centurion and those guarding Jesus "saw all that had happened" which means they witnessed these resurrected people go into the city, which means it was the city on earth, not in heaven.

Matthew 27:50-54 New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

More flaws and assumptions. You sure draw many imaginations from reading just a few word: "saw the earthquake and the things that had happened."

Oh your evidence is so sound and concrete. Can you also tell us the day and hour of the rapture in that single verse too?

It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.

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Do you think for once you can actually prove those people resurrected in Matthew 27:50-53 lived on earth after their resurrection?











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I don't think the bible actually says about those persons or Lazarus of Bethany after he came back alive, from being dead four days.

Note the words Jesus spoke to Lazarus are similar (but not exact because there is no "up hither") to the words John heard in Revelation 4:1 as he suddenly found himself in heaven and the two witnesses called up in Revelation 11:12 Come up hither. consider.... My sheep hear my voice...


John 11:
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

We're arguing over Matthew 27:50-53.









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