Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[Major1]

Isaiah 11 seem to put in context and give the timing of when the people of God will live in Jerusalem and when Jerusalem will be a light for the other Nations.

That seem to happen during the millennium reign of Jesus on the Earth.

Isaiah 11
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Yes. That is speaking of the Millennial rule of Christ.

 

[Straightshot]

Isaiah 11:11 is a view of Israel's gathering for the Lord's millennial kingdom after the tribulation

And He has set Israel out as an ensign to the nations of the Gentiles

He has returned a remnant of the tiny nation for the watching .... they are there as we speak, and for a purpose

The condition of their unbelief today is going to change during the tribulation for 1/3 of the nation [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44; Zechariah 13:8-9]

 

[Riberra]

Again.....you have confused the Rapture.1st Resurrection with the 2nd Coming of Christ.

"waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ".

This is the next happening in the program of God. Christ is coming to take His church out of this world. The “blessed hope,”

You from the pre- tribulation rapture theology have decided that the blessed hope means -Christ is coming to take His church out of this world before the tribulation-
The text of Titus 2:13 says that our blessed hope IS THE glorious appearing of Jesus...

then, is the joyful assurance that God will extend His benefits to us and that Jesus Christ will return. We are waiting for this event now. Jesus said He would return in John 14:3.

Yes, Jesus will return but -not- to take us to Heaven ..God don't need us to reign in Heaven.
Jesus will come to establish His Kingdom on the Earth...so we will forever be with Him ....here on the Earth.

We will be blessed beyond measure when we see Christ. That of course would not be the case at His 2nd Coming. All one has to do is read Revelation 19 to see that at the 2nd Coming there will not be any blessings or hope. It will instead be a time of war and judgment.



At His 2nd Coming in Matthew 24:29-31 and know that it is at the end of the 7 year tribulation, read Matt, 24:29......."AFTER the Tribulation"..........Then we see Christ coming in verse 30 which is in fact Revelation 19:11.

At His Coming in Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus will effectively poor out His wrath at the end of the 7 year tribulation The coming of Jesus as a thief Revelation 16:15-17 is the 7 th Vial of the wrath of God who will culminate with the visible appearance of Jesus for the Armageddon's battle Revelation 19....

Thank God that we as Christians will be spared the horrors of that time!
1 Thee. 5:9.........
"For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

You seem to confound the Tribulation versus the WRATH of God.

The wrath of God will be poured out in the Vials Revelation 16 and will culminate with the coming of Jesus as a thief Revelation 16:15 with the final act at Armageddon when Jesus will appears in Glory. Revelation 19

 

[Straightshot]

"You from the tribulation rapture theology have decided that the blessed hope means -Christ is coming to take His church out of this world before the tribulation-
The text of Titus 2:13 says that our blessed hope IS THE glorious appearing of Jesus.."


The blessed hope includes both His early call for His true ecclesia, His saving of those who become believers and are martyred during His tribulation period, and His appearing at the end of the same to gather the surviving mortal believers who populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth .... as mortals

You are picking out scripture about His appearance upon the earth at the end of the tribulation and discarding the other encounters where He will be seen by those engaged

All related scripture must be taken together and not just a part of the picture

Post tribulation theology is flawed for many reasons

 

[Riberra]

"You from the tribulation rapture theology have decided that the blessed hope means -Christ is coming to take His church out of this world before the tribulation-
The text of Titus 2:13 says that our blessed hope IS THE glorious appearing of Jesus.."


The blessed hope includes both His early call for His true ecclesia, His saving of those who become believers and are martyred during His tribulation period, and His appearing at the end of the same to gather the surviving mortal believers who populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth .... as mortals

You are picking out His appearance upon the earth at the end of the tribulation and discarding the others

All the prophecies mention that there is ONLY ONE Coming of Jesus yet to Come....Jesus will come to Establish His Kingdom on the Earth Isaiah 11...
Nobody will go to live in Heaven after the resurrection.Those who died in Christ will be resurrected to reign with Jesus -here- on the Earth.

 

[Straightshot]

Can you make any other twists?


Who do you think is coming to bring His determined unprecedented wrath upon a world of unbelief?

Who do you think the Lord is?

Do you believe that He is hiding in some far far away place in His universe?

He is present as we speak .... you just cannot see him

He is omnipresent and watching you as you post on this forum .... you just cannot see Him

He does not have to travel to make His next move which will be to immortalize His true ecclesia

Then He is going to pound a world of unbelievers .... you do not want any part of this even though you think you do

And when finished He will appear at the end of His pounding

Your post tribulation thinking is in error

The "day of the Lord" is not just on one 24 hour day and many events are scheduled .... all must be taken together and not scripture picked

 

[Riberra]

Can you make any other twists?

Who do you think is coming to bring His determined unprecedented wrath upon a world of unbelief?

The great worldwide earthquake mentioned at the opening of the 6 th seal Revelation 6:12 will be effectively an act of God.

Through history there is no report of Christians that have been rapture to Heaven before an Earthquake.

Who do you think the Lord is?

The Lord is God...don't you know that ?

Do you believe that He is hiding in some far far away place in His universe?

It is said that the Lord will come down from Heaven...

 

[Straightshot]

"Through history there is no report of Christians that have been rapture to Heaven before an Earthquake."

Of course not .... the event is still pending as we speak

Don't miss it .... if you do you will be as risk

Could happen before this day is over .... or sooner

 

[Riberra]

"Through history there is no report of Christians that have been rapture to Heaven before an Earthquake."

Of course not .... the event is still pending as we speak

Don't miss it

Could happen before this day is over .... or sooner

Nah,Paul said that that the Day of Christ [coming as a thief] will not come until there come a falling away from the faith first and that the man of sin is revealed.

Those holding their faith solely on the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine will massively fall away from faith as soon as tribulation(s) will occur ...then the man of sin will be revealed.

 

[precepts]

You are arguing with a stump Major

One who has created his own fog to hide in

You don't even belong here. You have already been tried and tested, and failed.

 

[precepts]

You have taken us so far from the message, I do not remember what it is.

Oh, yea....where is the Rapture in Revelation?

To rightly understand the Second coming of Christ, one must realize the difference between the Rapture and the Revelation.

Rapture means to be caught up, or away.

Revelation (apokalupsis) means "unfolding or revealing".

The Rapture occurs when the Church is caught up to meet Christ in the air as told to us in 1 Thess. 4:14, 17 which is before before the tribulation.

The Revelation occurs when Christ comes, with His saints, to end the Tribulation, by the execution of righteous judgment upon the earth and that is seen in 2 Thess. 1:7-10 & Jude 14.

At the Rapture, Christ comes in the air for His saints and He does not touch the earth and that is told to us in John 14:3.

At the Revelation, He comes to the earth with THEM/Saints in 1 Thess. 3:13 & Zech. 14:5).
THINK for just a moment. He certainly must come for His Saints before He can come with them. The assurance that God will bring them with Jesus in 1 Thess. 4:14 is Bible evidence that He will first come for them, they being caught up to meet him in the air in verse 17.

The Greek word there ..... "to meet" signifies a going forth, in order to return with. The same word is used in Acts 28:15, where the brethren came out to meet Paul and had a season of thanksgiving with him at Appii Forum and the Three Taverns, when he was on his way to Rome. This exactly accords with our being caught up to meet Christ and afterward returning to the earth with Him.

Again, at the Rapture Christ comes as the Bridegroom as seen in Matt. 25:10 to take unto Himself His bride, the Church which is recorded in Eph. 5:25-32.

At the Revelation, He comes, with His bride, the church to rule the nations of the earth in Rev. 2:26-27; 5:10; 19:15.

At the Rapture He comes only to meet the saints in the air, according to 1 Thess. 4:17.

At the Revelation, He comes to the earth as pictured in Acts 1:11, and His feet stand upon the same Mount Olivet from which He ascended as told to us in Zech. 14:4-5.

At the Rapture the Church, like Enoch, is taken out of the world according to Acts 15:13-17.

At the Revelation, the Millennial Kingdom is begun in Rom. 8:23.

Again with the tactics. The burden is on you to prove there's a reference to Christ coming back before the 2nd resurrection, but you can't because there is none, which has been my point from the beginning, but all you do is talk, and no show.

 

[LastSeven]

It's no wonder you have problems solving the bible. You just assume left and right without giving any thought to anything.

Triple facepalm.

And since you can't figure out your left foot from your right foot from the things you read, NO!!! I did not imply Revelation 7:9 has anything to do with Matthew 27:53. That's just your own brain storming up false ideas. Which I'll say isn't a whole lot inside.
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Then why did you respond with the multitude verse when I said there's no proof that those resurrected at Jesus' death went to heaven?

And why when I said that makes no sense did you not deny it at that time and instead say "the lord's ways are not our ways"?

 

[keras]

Those who promote the rapture theory noticeably avoid the rebuttals and proofs against such a thing, that are difficult for them to answer.
Here's a few that we who do not believe in a rapture removal to heaven, have posted before and been ignored or had the tactic of lengthy posts placed after, burying anything that refutes a rapture.
1/ Jesus refutes it. No one goes to heaven.. John 3:13, John 17:15, Revelation 5:10
2/ Gods holy people are seen on earth before and during the Great Tribulation. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7 plus others saying how we Christians have to face testing, not escapism.
3/ Prophesies like Isaiah 62:10-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 12:14-17, make it clear that the Lord's people, now every Christian will live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath that will clear and cleanse the entire area. Deuteronomy 32:43, Jeremiah 10:18, Revelation 7:9

Revelation 7:9 is often used by rapture believers to prove God's people are in heaven, but nowhere in Rev 7 is heaven mentioned. That chapter sets a earthly scene, no change of venue is given. The people are in Jerusalem, Rev 14:1, and Jesus is revealed to them. 2 Thessalonians 1:10
As Riberra says in #450, those millions of Christians who have been fooled into thinking they need do nothing to be rrraptured, will be shocked and may lose their faith.

 

[Psalm3704]

Then why did you respond with the multitude verse when I said there's no proof that those resurrected at Jesus' death went to heaven?

It wouldn't of made any difference had I given you Genesis 1:1 or John 11:35 instead.

And why when I said that makes no sense did you not deny it at that time and instead say "the lord's ways are not our ways"?

I didn't write that. You're clearly delusional.








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[LastSeven]

It wouldn't of made any difference had I given you Genesis 1:1 or John 11:35 instead.

That's for sure because those verses are equally unrelated, but that still doesn't explain why you would respond the way you did. You still haven't shown any evidence that those resurrected at Jesus' death were transformed and transported to heaven.

I didn't write that. You're clearly delusional.

Post 396 seems to show that you did write it but I think maybe Major1 messed up the quote and made his words appear to be part of your quote.

 

[LastSeven]

Then the 2nd thing that I thought of is that when Jesus was talking to His Jewish disciples answering their question as to when the end of the age would be.......there was at that time NO church to be delivered/Raptured/Resurrected. The Church was not in existence at that time so for it to be resurrected at the 2nd Coming which He is talking about in Matthew 24:31-35 makes no sense at all.

The church was not in existence at that time? Maybe you mean something else but to me "the church" is all believers and even at that time Jesus had believers, obviously.

 

[Straightshot]

"You still haven't shown any evidence that those resurrected at Jesus' death were transformed and transported to heaven."

[John 3:13; 1 Corinthians 15:20-23]

This is still true as we speak

What is your motive to prove your point?

 

[Major1]

Again with the tactics. The burden is on you to prove there's a reference to Christ coming back before the 2nd resurrection, but you can't because there is none, which has been my point from the beginning, but all you do is talk, and no show.

My 1st thought is that the SECOND RESURRECTION is so named in the Bible because to be a SECOND there must have been a FIRST. Now that is just common sense to me but YOU of course are free to think as you please.

Rev. 20:4-6.....
"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

It seems clear to me that there is a FIRST Resurrection because the Bible says........
THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION!!!

So, if there is a FIRST there certainly must be a seconf!

Then verse 6 says.................
"Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

 

[Major1]

Those who promote the rapture theory noticeably avoid the rebuttals and proofs against such a thing, that are difficult for them to answer.
Here's a few that we who do not believe in a rapture removal to heaven, have posted before and been ignored or had the tactic of lengthy posts placed after, burying anything that refutes a rapture.
1/ Jesus refutes it. No one goes to heaven.. John 3:13, John 17:15, Revelation 5:10
2/ Gods holy people are seen on earth before and during the Great Tribulation. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7 plus others saying how we Christians have to face testing, not escapism.
3/ Prophesies like Isaiah 62:10-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 12:14-17, make it clear that the Lord's people, now every Christian will live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath that will clear and cleanse the entire area. Deuteronomy 32:43, Jeremiah 10:18, Revelation 7:9

Revelation 7:9 is often used by rapture believers to prove God's people are in heaven, but nowhere in Rev 7 is heaven mentioned. That chapter sets a earthly scene, no change of venue is given. The people are in Jerusalem, Rev 14:1, and Jesus is revealed to them. 2 Thessalonians 1:10
As Riberra says in #450, those millions of Christians who have been fooled into thinking they need do nothing to be rrraptured, will be shocked and may lose their faith.

Personally I have never heard any one teach that Rev. 7:9 is proof of the Church in heaven.

My 1st thought is that you have read that on an internet web site that rejects the Rapture.

However....I am honored to try and explain this verse to you.

We have in view....."a great multitude which no one could number" which is your focus it seems.

This is a second group of people who will survive the time of God’s wrath, The Tribulation Peroid, who are the faithful who come out of the Great Tribulation. This is NOT the Church at all so there is no qualified teaching out there to say that this is proof of the Church being Raptured.
This is the people who come to Christ through the ministry of the 144 K during the Tribulation.

It is likely that just as the saints under the fifth seal Rev. 6:9-11, the majority of these probably die for their faith. But their death—at the hands of the harlot and later, the beast—will be their ultimate victory as overcomers as seen in Rev. Rev. 2:10+, Rev. 2:13+; Rev. 12:11. They have successfully applied the teaching of Jesus: “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” as Jesus told us is in Mtt. 10:28.

This innumerable company of believers indicates an innumerable company of people who come to faith in Christ during the time of the end AND IS NOT REPRESENTED BT THE CHURCH.

Then your comment of .........
"Revelation 7:9 is often used by rapture believers to prove God's people are in heaven, but nowhere in Rev 7 is heaven mentioned. That chapter sets a earthly scene, no change of venue is given"----is incorrect!!!

Revelation 7:9.......
" After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands".

Since Jesus at that point has not returned, where else would the throne be except in heaven???

Rev. 7:11..........
"All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God."

Are you sure that there is no heavenly scene in Rev. 7 my friend???????

Now we know that this group is NOT THE CHURCH because we are told that in Rev. 7:14......
"So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev. 7:15...........
"Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. "

2 Timothy 2:15........
" Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

Revelation 7:9-17 is the immortal multitude of the Lord's true ecclesia from the beginning of human creation seen many times in Revelation's unfolding during the tribulation period [those who dwell in heaven] [Revelation 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 11:1; 12:12; 13:6; 17:14; 19:1-9; 19:14; 20:1-4] [those already on thrones .... symbol of the Lord's eternal government]

None of them will experience the Lord's unprecedented wrath that is coming .... they are saved and will not be subjected [Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

They have come "away from" [EK ...."out of"] the great tribulation of the Lord's wrath upon an intransigent world of unbelief [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17]

There will be those who will become believers during the tribulation upon the earth and martyred for their faith .... these will be added at the end of the period [Revelation 6:9-11; 15:2-3; 20:4] [those beheaded]