What was reformed?

[thecolorsblend]

He is not a spokesman for God. Scripture is.

Putting aside whether that's true, when did that become doctrine? A precise day would preferable, if you have one.

 

[Dave L]

Putting aside whether that's true, when did that become doctrine? A precise day would preferable, if you have one.

When written in scripture. It includes the Old Testament and excludes the Pope.

 

[thecolorsblend]

When written in scripture. It includes the Old Testament and excludes the Pope.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you suggesting that God's revelation has always been "sola scriptura"?

 

[Dave L]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you suggesting that God's revelation has always been "sola scriptura"?

The prophets spoke scripture into being. There are no prophets since the closing of the canon.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you suggesting that God's revelation has always been "sola scriptura"?

The prophets spoke scripture into being. There are no prophets since the closing of the canon.

Giving a straight answer to a question is harder for some people than others, I guess.

 

[Dave L]

Giving a straight answer to a question is harder for some people than others, I guess.

Did Jesus often give straight answers?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Did Jesus often give straight answers?

Psst.

You're not Jesus.

 

[Dave L]

Psst.

You're not Jesus.

But I do as he does when called for.

 

[thecolorsblend]

But I do as he does when called for.

"When someone asks you a simple question, always make sure to avoid it by changing the subject while speaking in riddles!"
#ThingsJesusNeverSaid

 

[Dave L]

"When someone asks you a simple question, always make sure to avoid it by changing the subject while speaking in riddles!"
#ThingsJesusNeverSaid

I don't detect sincerity in your questions. So I don't walk through the path you would like for me too.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I don't detect sincerity in your questions. So I don't walk through the path you would like for me too.

My questions were:

"Putting aside whether that's true, when did that become doctrine? A precise day would preferable, if you have one."

"Are you suggesting that God's revelation has always been 'sola scriptura'?"

And you don't detect sincerity? Interesting.

 

[fhansen]

People are the church. Church = assembly. How do buildings assemble?

Christ building His church has nothing to do with buildings.

 

[fhansen]

He is not a spokesman for God. Scripture is.

So if you ask Scripture whether or not Baptism is necessary for regeneration, I'm sure you'll agree with yourself on whatever answer Scripture "tells" you-but not necessarily at all with other readers. Christian truth has never been about may-the-best-exegete-win, which is why even highly credentialed scholars still disagree over many interpretations. It's about the truth that Christ revealed to His Church and the world at His advent.

 

[Neostarwcc]

How can there be more than one true church?

one true God!
One true savior!
One new and eternal covenant!
One king!
One kingdom!
One vineyard!
One household of faith!
One mountain of the house of the Lord!
One body of Christ!
One shepherd and one flock!
And one, Holy, Catholic, and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter And the apostles and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 1

the one true church is the spotless bride of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem and our mother!

There isn't. Its sinful mankind that's the problem.

 

[Dave L]

So if you ask Scripture whether or not Baptism is necessary for regeneration, I'm sure you'll agree with yourself on whatever answer Scripture "tells" you-but not necessarily at all with other readers. Christian truth has never been about may-the-best-exegete-win, which is why even highly credentialed scholars still disagree over many interpretations. It's about the truth that Christ revealed to His Church and the world at His advent.

Catholics make works the means of salvation. The Reformed and others make works the effect of salvation. It's about works VS grace.

 

[Dave L]

Christ building His church has nothing to do with buildings.

Indeed, the church is his body of believers.
“and hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:22–23 (NCPB)

 

[Dave L]

My questions were:

"Putting aside whether that's true, when did that become doctrine? A precise day would preferable, if you have one."

"Are you suggesting that God's revelation has always been 'sola scriptura'?"

And you don't detect sincerity? Interesting.

It was always prophetic, later written down where it became scripture. But when it says scripture thoroughly furnishes us, that removes any excuse to listen to false prophets, whether Pope or Pentecostal.

 

[thecolorsblend]

It was always prophetic, later written down where it became scripture. But when it says scripture thoroughly furnishes us, that removes any excuse to listen to false prophets, whether Pope or Pentecostal.

Anything to avoid a direct answer.

Okay, we're done here.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Catholics make works the means of salvation. The Reformed and others make works the effect of salvation. It's about works VS grace.

Works alone cannot save!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ!


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church!


Sanctification: the life of grace, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!


Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord!

 

[Dave L]

Catholics make works the means of salvation. The Reformed and others make works the effect of salvation. It's about works VS grace.

Works alone cannot save!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ!


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church!


Sanctification: the life of grace, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!


Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord!

You are partially right. But you make yourself the savior when it depends on your choosing baptism and the sacraments. A real believer can be seen in their practice of biblical obedience.