What was reformed?

[Dave L]

Mind telling me where?

It's in the bible.

 

[Dave L]

There is only one savior Jesus Christ!

he saves thru His church and His sacraments!

Baptism!


Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Matt 28:19 ( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)


Mk 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


Mark 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)


John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)


John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)


John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)


John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)


Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Romans 6:3

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Galatians 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)

(Outside the ark and the church there is no salvation!)

It's you who tink you save yourselves through the sacraments. Jesus saves before there ever was a church. And now in spite of what you call church.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

It's in the bible.

Haha never seen that before. Must have missed it

 

[b4jesustoday]

Not biblical!

 

[Dave L]

Not biblical!

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16–17 (NCPB)

How does the Pope squeeze himself into this?

 

[b4jesustoday]

ez 36:25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[b4jesustoday]

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16–17

On the successor of Peter has the keys and therefore the authority to declare what is the Bible, cannon and to authoritatively interpret the bible

mt 16:18 etc.

 

[Dave L]

ez 36:25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

If scripture completely furnishes us, the Pope furnishes nobody.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Acts 8 did the scripture fully furnish the Ethiopian? God provided an angel and an apostle!

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

unless I be taught, Philip preached to Him!

 

[PaulCyp1]

Not only does the Bible say nothing about the Reformation, it forbids the very idea. Jesus Himself founded one Church, said it was a to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". His stated will concerning His Church was and still is "that they all may be ONE", even as I and My heavenly Father are ONE". He knew that truth can exist only in unity, because truth cannot conflict with truth, and conflicting beliefs therefore necessarily mean false beliefs. Then one proud, misguided man thought he could do a better job of interpreting the Bible than the Church which had compiled the Bible from its own writings under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So He defected from God's Church and founded his own church, based on "the Bible alone", which of course meant his own personal interpretations of the Bible. Before Luther died, there were half a dozen other Protestant denominations that had separated from his church because they didn't agree with his biblical interpretations. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today there are over 6,000 Protestant denominations, each claiming to follow "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Total doctrinal chaos. And that doesn't even include the 20,000+ so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches. Meanwhile, the one Church Jesus founded (which includes well over half of all Christians) remains one in belief, one in teaching, one in worship, one in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years, with no conflicting denominations. You just can't beat God's Plan.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Amen!

 

[b4jesustoday]

Scripture alone cannot produce unity but spiritual anarchy!

 

[Aussie Pete]

Not only does the Bible say nothing about the Reformation, it forbids the very idea. Jesus Himself founded one Church, said it was a to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". His stated will concerning His Church was and still is "that they all may be ONE", even as I and My heavenly Father are ONE". He knew that truth can exist only in unity, because truth cannot conflict with truth, and conflicting beliefs therefore necessarily mean false beliefs. Then one proud, misguided man thought he could do a better job of interpreting the Bible than the Church which had compiled the Bible from its own writings under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So He defected from God's Church and founded his own church, based on "the Bible alone", which of course meant his own personal interpretations of the Bible. Before Luther died, there were half a dozen other Protestant denominations that had separated from his church because they didn't agree with his biblical interpretations. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today there are over 6,000 Protestant denominations, each claiming to follow "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Total doctrinal chaos. And that doesn't even include the 20,000+ so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches. Meanwhile, the one Church Jesus founded (which includes well over half of all Christians) remains one in belief, one in teaching, one in worship, one in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years, with no conflicting denominations. You just can't beat God's Plan.

I've said before that the plethora of denominations is an abomination. If the Roman Catholic organisation was not so corrupt, unbiblical, deceptive and satanic, the reformation would never have happened. The errors of denominationalism do not make Roman Catholicism right.

 

[b4jesustoday]

How can there be more than one true church?

one true God!
One true savior!
One new and eternal covenant!
One king!
One kingdom!
One vineyard!
One household of faith!
One mountain of the house of the Lord!
One body of Christ!
One shepherd and one flock!
And one, Holy, Catholic, and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter And the apostles and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 1

the one true church is the spotless bride of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem and our mother!

 

[Dave L]

How can there be more than one true church?

one true God!
One true savior!
One new and eternal covenant!
One king!
One kingdom!
One vineyard!
One household of faith!
One mountain of the house of the Lord!
One body of Christ!
One shepherd and one flock!
And one, Holy, Catholic, and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter And the apostles and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 1

the one true church is the spotless bride of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem and our mother!

The church is the body of Christ made up of believers. God dwells not in temples made with hands.

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16 (NCPB)

= Institutional Church franchises are not the church. They are businesses that sell religion (usually false) to the Church.

 

[fhansen]

What was reformed?
What was the authority for the reformation? Or
Where does the Bible say to have a reformation?

There was no authority given anywhere in any way to break from the Church that Christ established. The basic concept was that the Catholic Church had strayed from the truth and that, by using Scripture as their sole authoritative source of revelation, the Reformers could bypass the Catholic Church’s authority and know the gospel truth-God’s nature and will for man-independently. This effectively made each reader the authority, and ultimately spawned myriads of different understandings based on varying interpretations with many different spin-off denominations or churches resulting. More confusion and argumentation and division than ever is the order of the day now in the Christian world.

For its part the teachings of the Catholic Church were and continue to be correct, while practices by individual members including leadership at the highest level could be corrupt. They didn’t heed their own Church IOW. That’s always a tendency with fallen humans. The Reformers were right in being offended by abuses and strive to correct them, but not correct in changing doctrine, the “deposit of faith” as it’s sometimes called, which the Church received, preserved, and proclaimed from the beginning, with God’s guidance and assurance in spite of oft-times bumbling, weak, and sinful man.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Only Christ has authority to found the church, HIS church which He alone builds! Mt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles eph 2:20 and their successors!

 

[Dave L]

Only Christ has authority to found the church, HIS church which He alone builds! Mt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles eph 2:20 and their successors!

People are the church. Church = assembly. How do buildings assemble?

 

[thecolorsblend]

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16–17 (NCPB)

How does the Pope squeeze himself into this?

???

Not sure what that has to do with the Pope.

 

[Dave L]

???

Not sure what that has to do with the Pope.

He is not a spokesman for God. Scripture is.