Water Baptism is not a command in scripture

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Look at how the "Church" in general baptise?

In most cases it does not follow what the Bible says to do about baptism.

This is only one of the many mistakes that have been made over nearly 2,000

years.

How is it that you think that the Orthodox Church baptises and why do you think it is wrong?

Forgive me...

 

[PassthePeace1]

Exaclty why scripture is not the final authority. The Chruch is.

Forgive me...

Orthodoxy,

Traditionally Quakers don't believe that The Church(or any church for that matter) and the Bible are finial authorities. Which is why his quote I highlighted in my last post confused me, on his stance. Rather they rely on the Light Within, to guide them to truth.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[Kepha]

Just look at the dogma relating to heritics. They are now called "separated brethren".

A few hundred years ago they were worse than the worst, now they are somewhat acceptable, at least by some.

Put it into understanding what a Heretic is. Those who know the Catholic Church is the True Church yet reject Her. One cannot be a heretic born into their non Catholic faith.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Orthodoxy,

Traditionally Quakers don't believe that The Church(or any church for that matter) and the Bible are not finial authorities. Which is why his quote I highlighted in my last post confused me, on his stance. Rather they rely on the Light Within, to guide them to truth.

Peace be with you...Pam

That just makes it all the worse.

Many people have contact with a spirit... but it's not the Holy Spirit.

Forgive me...

 

[Cliff2]

How is it that you think that the Orthodox Church baptises and why do you think it is wrong?

Forgive me...

Can you tell me how you baptise?

 

[Cliff2]

Put it into understanding what a Heretic is. Those who know the Catholic Church is the True Church yet reject Her. One cannot be a heretic born into their non Catholic faith.

Check out the dogma realting to heretics and see if it what you think it says or does it say something else.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Can you tell me how you baptise?

Thats what I was wondering? Do you not know how we baptise?

How can you therefore say that we are doing it wrong...

We baptise by triple emersion... in the name of The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit... as we have been doing for 2000 years. Paul was baptised this way in Damascus.

I can show you too....

http://home.comcast.net/~pasudduth/Baptism384K_Stream.mp4 (36MB)

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

One cannot be a heretic born into their non Catholic faith.

This statement doesn't make sence... what are you trying to say?

That a person who is opposed to the teachings of the Catholic Church but was not born and raised inside the Catholic Church can not be considered heretical?

So Mormons would not be heretics?

Forgive me...

 

[Kepha]

Check out the dogma realting to heretics and see if it what you think it says or does it say something else.

Mabe this can help you to understand

 

[Kepha]

This statement doesn't make sence... what are you trying to say?

That a person who is opposed to the teachings of the Catholic Church but was not born and raised inside the Catholic Church can not be considered heretical?

So Mormons would not be heretics?

Forgive me...

Your misunderstanding what i mean. They teach Heresy however they may not be guilty of outright rejecting God's Graces to not teach the Heresy. Invincible Ignorance it the Key. So they may not be Heretics in the stern sense.

 

[Kepha]

We baptise by triple emersion... in the name of The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit... as we have been doing for 2000 years. Paul was baptised this way in Damascus.

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Emersion is not how it has always been done. And your link is too large for me to download and would take awhile to do it as my computer is a hunk of junk.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

No were in scripture is this idea commanded,

You don't include the Gospel of John in your scripture?

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

Check out the dogma relating to heretics and see if it what you think it says or does it say something else.

Someone who has never been in the Church cannot be commit formal heresy because they cannot a belief that they never held.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Emersion is not how it has always been done. And your link is too large for me to download and would take awhile to do it as my computer is a hunk of junk.

I will point you to the didache.
CHAPTER 7

Baptism

1 Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," in running water; 2 but if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. 3 But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." 4 And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Someone who has never been in the Church cannot be commit formal heresy because they cannot a belief that they never held.

The Truth is one thing and untruth is herecy, heresy cannot be a Church.

How do you reconcile that?

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I did a much smaller one... let's try it....

http://home.comcast.net/~psudduth/Baptism.wmv

 

[Kepha]

The Truth is one thing and untruth is herecy, heresy cannot be a Church.

How do you reconcile that?

Nothing to Reconcile. Your still misunderstanding. The Church doesn't say that the Heresy itself is good. It rejects all heresy. However, the one preaching the Heresy is not always condemned.

I will point you to the didache.
CHAPTER 7

Baptism

1 Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," in running water; 2 but if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. 3 But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." 4 And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before.

Where is the proof of emersion? That is what i questioned.

I did a much smaller one... let's try it....

Ok, i'll check it out later. I gotta go pump some iron at the gym and get huge like Arnold.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The Proof is in the fact that the Orthodox have not changed it...

We have always baptsied by triple emersion. To change it would require a council and then be ratified by the entire Church. It is a huge undertaking. Has this happend? No.. So it has not changed.

There is plenty of room for varience, pouring and such... the original is by triple emersion.

Go get'em Arnold....

 

[mysteryman]

CHILDREN , DHILDREN , PLEASE ,PLEASE , ALL OF YOU . GO TO YOUR BATHROOM AND TAKE A NICE COLD SHOWER. ____ lol . Your heating up over nothing . water is nothing but if it be used to make yoir body clean then be clean , for christs sake. What the water cannot do the Spirit does and it cleasnes the dirty spirit, within, God is within . Now what the spirit cannnot do that water does them clean your vessel which is a body for Christ.__________ Jesus had cleanses the bum, begger on the street and said " now go down to the lake and bathe, you are dirty". what God has given , ie body then for heavens sake keep it clean. _________ why do you all fuss over traditions of men. ________ For the word of God is summed in this " i will put the laws in your heart and write them in your hands" therefore keep the good laws and waste not your mind on that which is not necessary. you all the story that Jsus was seen once not washing his hands before eating and the PHD ritual Pharisee boys caught him and said "you follow not the letter of the law." Now here Jesus took liberty to say, you make a show of long prayers and yo strain at a gnat , or fast for nothing, you make a show of righteousness and inside you are dirty being blind guides, fools making false promises of salvation, and you cannot deliver._____" a little dirt does not defile a man, and turmed and said beware of the leven of the PHD boys for the words are like venon and they will poison your very spirit" ___________ have you not read what the Spirit saith to the Churches. rev ch 2 & 3. _______ you are all led by men and a house diveided cannot stand therefore beware the thief comes at a moment when you least expect it. be sober watch and pray. Get your hearts together, put faith first and trust in God's promise and trust in the Holy Scripture, for the sword shall, pierce the hearts, and all shall be revealled, there will be no more in secret. _____ did Paul not give you those words too?_______ you are forever squabbling or the lessor things.

 

[Cliff2]

Thats what I was wondering? Do you not know how we baptise?

How can you therefore say that we are doing it wrong...

We baptise by triple emersion... in the name of The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit... as we have been doing for 2000 years. Paul was baptised this way in Damascus.

I can show you too....

http://home.comcast.net/~pasudduth/Baptism384K_Stream.mp4 (36MB)

Forgive me...

If you look at my post would would see that I did not name any church but used general terms.

Thanks for letting me know about how you baptise.

To my knowledge all baptisms by immersion are done that way.

Look at how the "Church" in general baptise?

In most cases it does not follow what the Bible says to do about baptism.

This is only one of the many mistakes that have been made over nearly 2,000

years

.