Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[YeshuaFan]

It is amazing to me what we as Christians have been falsely taught. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised though as I formerly believed in eternal security as I thought that God automatically forgives our past, present and future sins. Here's a good one to add to your list that contradicts my previously held false belief from Rom 3:24-25
"being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;" (NASB)

When we were justified and redeemed, the propitiation of Jesus' blood was applied to our former/past sins previously committed. This does not include our present or future sins that we have not yet repented of.

God sees me right now seated in heaven with jesus, but also here upon the earth, and jesus stated that ALL whom the father gives to Him , to come to Him to get saved will be raised up, and that NONE shall perish. Do you believe His witness, and that of Jude at end of His book?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We obey Jesus NOT to either get or to be kept saved, but as the evidence that we are indeed now saved, and when we still sin, as all of us will do, he is faithful to forgive and cleanse from that sin when we confess it to Him!

So if you have no obedience, that is no evidence you are indeed now saved, are you? How do you avoid doing works so that you know you are indeed now saved, since that is the measure for you? IF there is no obedience, does that mean you are indeed NOT now saved? Do you see the problem with this theology? (I do not believe the above condrum, btw, so I am free of all of that.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

God does not put us on probabation, in order to see if we are found worthy to keep and merit salvation, as he freely forgives us of all sins ever to commit against Him, due to the blood of jesus shed for us, as he died in our place on Calvary and bore the full wrath of God that we deserved!

And the people who suffer because of your sin, does God think of them or is it just tough luck on them?

 

[YeshuaFan]

If they tell themselvses they "accidentally" took the wrong handbag and kept it, it is. If they tell themselvses they are telling Mary something "for her own good" that is very negative about her spouse, they are lying to themselves and it is a sin. I can name lots and lots of these. Anyone outside sees clearly that the person is lying to themselves. How does one take the wrong shopping cart and not return it when they notice their groceries are not in it? How is this done innocently?
If you are not in those shoes, you do not know if it is desperation or they just tell themselves it is. Anyway, since this is not what is common in the world, we needs not talk about it. The sins that people do that they ignore because they like doing them are what needs to be seen. There are lots of these. Others see the real motive clearly. The self does not and does not want to. God sees it as not innocent because those who pretend they do not know it is wrong cannot fool God.

The Holy Spirit can only dwell in pure vessals, and we are pure in sight of God once redeemed and saved, born again, as the righteousness of Jesus Himself cloths us now... If God ever disowned any who were once really saved, he would have to disown and damn Jesus Himself!
That is why its marvelous Grace, and why many cannot accept that we are really eternally secured in Christ!

 

[Oldmantook]

God sees me right now seated in heaven with jesus, but also here upon the earth, and jesus stated that ALL whom the father gives to Him , to come to Him to get saved will be raised up, and that NONE shall perish. Do you believe His witness, and that of Jude at end of His book?

Do you believe the witness of the scripture I just quoted which plainly states that the propitiation of Jesus' blood when we were first redeemed only applies to our past sins? A simple yes or no will suffice.

FYI: you also neglect to acknowledge that the Father gave Judas to Jesus along with the other disciples but we all know what eventually happened to Judas. I suggest you study that.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

God sees me right now seated in heaven with jesus, but also here upon the earth, and jesus stated that ALL whom the father gives to Him , to come to Him to get saved will be raised up, and that NONE shall perish. Do you believe His witness, and that of Jude at end of His book?

God is not blind. He sees you right where you are and what you are doing. That some believers grow to the point where they are also seated in heavenly places does not apply to everyone like a name it claim it scripture so popular. God sees you where you are.

Those who walk away from Him are in the end lost unless they repent. Jesus gave the reasons why some walk away. Don't you believe the witness of JEsus himself as to why people leave the faith and are lost?

 

[YeshuaFan]

So if you have no obedience, that is no evidence you are indeed now saved, are you? How do you avoid doing works so that you know you are indeed now saved, since that is the measure for you? IF there is no obedience, does that mean you are indeed NOT now saved? Do you see the problem with this theology? (I do not believe the above condrum, btw, so I am free of all of that.)

We are saved by Faith alone, thru Grace alone, but once really saved, will want to obey the Lord, and will have some type of Good works to evidence the new birth has happened!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The Holy Spirit can only dwell in pure vessals, and we are pure in sight of God once redeemed and saved, born again, as the righteousness of Jesus Himself cloths us now... If God ever disowned any who were once really saved, he would have to disown and damn Jesus Himself!
That is why its marvelous Grace, and why many cannot accept that we are really eternally secured in Christ!

Sorry but Jesus said those who keep his commands are the ones the Father will love and come and dwell in. That is what Jesus said.

Now, no one is saying God disowns anyone. Jesus did, however say if we deny him before men, he will deny us before the father. So, this is spoken to believers as a warning.

Now I have no idea why you think what happens to you and your salvation affects JEsus that is, if you deny Him then JEsus will be equally denied before the Father. Those who were once saved and then lost for the reasons Jesus said are lost and Jesus is not lost with them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is why I say that they throw out their mind. They have to do so to believe in their secure doctrine. I have run into this just as you describe above. Those statments they make are mutually exclusive but still they tell themselves they believe them.

As a child I had a belief in GOD, but it was not grounded in the Word of God. I accepted that fact because of what my family said. I grew up in a liberal Christian home. I knew about Jesus, but I did not know WHO He was. I did not know that He was even GOD when I was a child. I suppose back then, I could have been susceptible a bit to crazy thinking on certain things. But morality was even important to me back then (even as a kid). So I am not so sure I could have brought myself to believe in something that was immoral if say my parents believed in Calvinism or something. I am thankful to the Lord that I did not grow up in such such a home. I would imagine it would be rather emotionally cold. For you have to shut off your emotions or your heart in order to believe in Calvinism.

The thread assumes something that is not true, that is God immediately damns a man. It is like watching the Triathelon and seeing a man stumble briefly and asking the crowd at that moment if he lost the whole competition. The normal person would say it is not over yet and the question you ask demands an answer. My answer is the life was not over at that point and so it cannot be answered.

I didn't write the Bible. God did.
Here are again are some points in Scripture that show that King David was not saved in his sins of adultery and murder.

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).​

As for your parable:

Sorry, that is a bad real world example.
Grievous sin is not the same as minor transgressions or faults. Not all sin is the same.

If the man who is running in the race takes out a submachine gun and starts shooting everyone, I would imagine this would be grounds for him to not only lose the race, but also his life. If the man who is running the race decided to fornicate with another race member openly on the track, I imagine that would not go over too well, either. You compare the sins of David's sins of adultery and murder to that of a race track runner stumbling. Sorry, not the same thing here. Bad analogy or real world example. It doesn't match or fit.

Imagine if a child just killed his father? Or imagine if a father killed his son? Should these crimes be treated with the same regard as stumbling in a race track? I don't think God would see it that way. In fact, most people would not see it that way. Going 5mph over the speed limit in a motor vehicle is not the same crime as say murder. Murder in our own society leads to prison and the death penalty (depending on the State). Even God required a sacrifice for David's sin of murder. It was his own unborn son.

Also, justifying sin for 5 minutes or even 5 seconds is no different than justifying sin for 5 years. God does not place statutes of acceptance on a particular crime or sin in the Bible based on time. Something is still wrong whether you do it for 5 seconds or 5 years. When a believer sins, they have God's grace to overcome it and it is not a license to sin or to say we can sin and still be saved on any level.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We are saved by Faith alone, thru Grace alone, but once really saved, will want to obey the Lord, and will have some type of Good works to evidence the new birth has happened!

Does not answer my question. So are you obedience to the Father 24/7 now? If you say that you will want to obey the Lord, do you all day every day? Just putting your theology to the test of real life. Do all the Christians you know obey the Lord 24/7? Why not? Is this automatic grace insufficent to generate this obedience you claim you will automatically want?

Again, so if there is no obedience, can we safely say no real salvation has occured? You measure salvation by works which you claim you will want to do if it is really there. So we can say that no works means no will to obey which means no salvation. How is this not salvation by works?

Again, I believe none of this and so do not have to deal with this problem.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I used to believe in God when I was a child, but it was not grounded in the Word of God. I accepted that fact because of what my family said. I grew up in a liberal Christian home. I knew about Jesus, but I did not know WHO He was. I did not know that He was even GOD when I was a child. I suppose back then, I could have been susceptible a bit to crazy thinking on certain things. But morality was even important to me back then (even as a kid). So I am not so sure I could have brought myself to believe it if say my parents believed in Calvinism. I am thankful to the Lord that I did not grow up in such such a home. I would imagine it would rather emotionally cold. For you have to shut off your emotions or your heart in order to believe in Calvinism.

True.

I didn't write the Bible. God did.
Here are again are some points in Scripture that show that King David was not saved in his sins of adultery and murder.

Where does it say at that moment David was not saved? Where does it describe David as saved at all?

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

SO there is no repentance and forgiveness possible before the end. Again, you assume the end before the end. God is more patient that you give him credit for.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

No, he said looking at a women IN ORDER to lust. Not the same thing.

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

Same man believed GOd forgives sin. YOu forget that part but stop at a moment and assume that is the end when it clearly is not.

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

Then why do you judge him as though he was dead.

As for your parable:

Sorry, that is a bad real world example.
Grievous sin is not the same as minor transgressions or faults. Not all sin is the same.

You think saved or not saved is a revolving door constantly changing with no patience to repent on God's part. And my example is perfect. You judge the end long before it happens. God is not like that.

I deleted your actually description as it was too dirty for my mind. I started reading it but it was disgusting and unnecessary language. If a man sins he does not become unsaved at that moment.

Also, justifying sin for 5 minutes or even 5 seconds is no different than justifying sin for 5 years. God does not place statutes of acceptance on a particular crime or sin in the Bible. Something is still wrong whether you do it for 5 seconds vs. 5 years.

God is a lot more patient than you are. He does not judge before time. The God you describe hasn't 5 seconds of patience to see how the man will decide. One sin and his name is crossed out of the book. Opps he repents and so we write it in again. Opps sinned again and so we cross it out. This is absurd. The God I know is patient and long suffering and gives the sinner chances and time to repent. Until judgement, no one is lost eternally. Once dead, the choices are over.

 

[YeshuaFan]

And the people who suffer because of your sin, does God think of them or is it just tough luck on them?

Have you reached a sinless perfection state then?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Does not answer my question. So are you obedience to the Father 24/7 now? If you say that you will want to obey the Lord, do you all day every day? Just putting your theology to the test of real life. Do all the Christians you know obey the Lord 24/7? Why not? Is this automatic grace insufficent to generate this obedience you claim you will automatically want?

Again, so if there is no obedience, can we safely say no real salvation has occured? You measure salvation by works which you claim you will want to do if it is really there. So we can say that no works means no will to obey which means no salvation. How is this not salvation by works?

Again, I believe none of this and so do not have to deal with this problem.

NONE who ever lived except for Jesus Himself went went entire life without ever sinning Paul didn't, neither did John, nor myself, or you!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Where does it say at that moment David was not saved?

When Nathan says that David's sin was taken away, this was in regards to his punishment in regards to the death penalty of OT Law. If you murdered someone in the OT, you would have to die for that murder. But Nathan said that his sin was taken away from him in this regards and his unborn son would die instead. Hmmm... his son would die. Looks like a picture of Jesus to me.

See 2 Samuel 12.

Where does it describe David as saved at all?

In Psalms 51, David asked for his sins to be forgiven several times. A man who does not know about salvation or forgiveness of sins would never seek forgiveness of his sins with God. Also, David asked for the joy of his salvation back. Again, you cannot ask for something that does not exist for you. So David was asking for his salvation back. He was not saved or forgiven until he sought forgiveness with the Lord.

Note: David was saved before he committed his sins of adultery and murder. He lost his salvation while he was in his sins, and he got his salvation back again when he repented (sought forgiveness with the Lord).

SO there is no repentance and forgiveness possible before the end. Again, you assume the end before the end. God is more patient that you give him credit for.

God is patient. Even though they are spiritually dead for committing a certain grievous sin, God is patient enough for not killing them right away and having them be judged and condemned in their sins. God can give a person space or time to repent of their sins before taking their life. Granted, this is not always the case. Ananais and Sapphira were instantly killed for lying to GOD. What they did was exceptionally wrong and evil. They were not lying to men but to GOD.

No, he said looking at a women IN ORDER to lust. Not the same thing.

That is not what my Bible says.

It is written,

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28).

It doesn't say women, but it says "woman" (singular). He is not talking about doing this a bunch of times, either. He is describing a one time event of looking at a woman in lust. Jesus says that it would be better if you were to pluck out your own eye than to cast into hell fire over this (See Matthew 5:29-30).

Same man believed GOd forgives sin. YOu forget that part but stop at a moment and assume that is the end when it clearly is not.

I fail to see how this statement unravels 1 John 3:15 in what it says. It says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. This would be no unrepentant murderer (obviously). It only takes one act of murder in order to be considered a murderer in God's eyes (See again Numbers 35:16-18). No murderer has eternal life abiding in them. It is what 1 John 3:15 plainly says.

Then why do you judge him as though he was dead.

Oh boy. Nowhere did I say that King David remained unsaved. I believe David was saved in the end. Especially when he confessed of his sin. That is why I said that he needed to confess in order to be forgiven or saved. I am saying King David was unsaved WHILE he was abiding in unrepentant murder and adultery. It was not until he sought forgiveness of his sins with God that he was then forgiven.

You think saved or not saved is a revolving door constantly changing with no patience to repent on God's part.

I don't think this. God's Word teaches this (as I have shown with the following Scripture verses that you are refusing to accept).

And my example is perfect. You just the end long before it happens. God is not like that.

Again, your real world example is not perfect. I pointed out the flaw in it. Nobody in real life can murder or commit adultery during a race and then finish the race with them winning. They would be disqualified.

 

[YeshuaFan]

When Nathan says that David's sin was taken away, this was in regards to his punishment in regards to the death penalty of OT Law. If you murdered someone in the OT, you would have to die for that murder. But Nathan said that his sin was taken away from him in this regards and his unborn son would die instead. Hmmm... his son would die. Looks like a picture of Jesus to me.

See 2 Samuel 12.



In Psalms 51, David asked for his sins to be forgiven several times. A man who does not know about salvation or forgiveness of sins would never seek forgiveness of his sins with God. Also, David asked for the joy of his salvation back. Again, you cannot ask for something that does not exist for you. So David was asking for his salvation back. He was not saved or forgiven until he sought forgiveness with the Lord.



God is patient. Even though they are spiritually dead for committing a certain grievous sin, God is patient enough for not killing them right away and having them be judged and condemned in their sins. Granted, this is not always the case. Ananais and Sapphira were instantly killed for lying to GOD. What they did was exceptionally wrong and evil. They were not lying to men but to GOD.



That is not what my Bible says.

It is written,

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28).

It doesn't say women, but it says "woman" (singular). He is not talking about doing this a bunch of times, either. He is describing a one time event of looking at a woman in lust. Jesus says that it would be better if you were to pluck out your own eye than to cast into hell fire over this (See Matthew 5:29-30).



I fail to see how this statement unravels 1 John 3:15 in what it says. It says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. This would be no unrepentant murderer (obviously). It only takes one act of murder in order to be considered a murderer in God's eyes (See again Numbers 35:16-18). No murderer. No murderer. No murderer has eternal life abiding in them. It is what 1 John 3:15 plainly says.



Oh boy. Nowhere did I say that King David remained unsaved. I believe David was saved in the end. Especially when he confessed of his sin. That is why I said that he needed to confess in order to be forgiven or saved. I am saying King David was unsaved WHILE he was abiding in unrepentant murder and adultery. It was not until he sought forgiveness of his sins with God that he was then forgiven.



I don't think this. God's Word teaches this (as I have shown with the following Scripture verses that you are refusing to accept).



Again, your real world example is not perfect. I pointed out the flaw in it. Nobody in real life can murder or commit adultery during a race and then finish the race with them winning. They would be disqualified.

Moses was a killer, as was David, and paul, all of them were forgiven and saved by God, correct?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Moses was a killer, as was David, and paul, all of them were forgiven and saved by God, correct?

No doubt they sought forgiveness of those sins with the Lord because that is what is taught elsewhere in Scripture. A person needs to seek forgiveness with God to be forgiven of their sin. They have to do this with the true heart intention of forsaking sin and with not justifying sin. This is Christianity 101.

God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.” (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Have you reached a sinless perfection state then?

Explaining James 2:10 and How All Sin is Not the Same.

Not all sin is the same. Jesus said there is a greater sin (John 19:11). 1 John 5:16-17 says there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. Jesus said to the Pharisees that they ignored the WEIGHTIER matters of the Law like: Love, justice, faith, and mercy (See Luke 11:42, and Matthew 23:23). Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21 that baptism is not for salvation. Yet, it is a command as a part of the great commission (Matthew 28:19). But Paul says that Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17). Psalms 19:12 talks about secret or hidden faults. Matthew 12:31-32 says that speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven and speaking bad words against the Son (Jesus) can be forgiven. The sin of worshiping the beast in the future is so bad to GOD that their names are not even written in the book of life since the foundation of the world (See Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8). Even life teaches us that not all sin is the same. For do you consider the breaking of the Law of going over the speed limit by 5 miles per hour (in driving a motor vehicle) as the same as the crime as murder? Surely not.

So what about James 2:10?

Well, this is the only verse that suggests (at first glance with a quick reading) that all sin is the same, and a reader who does use this verse to support this view has to do at the expense of ignoring so many other verses in the Bible.

James here is not talking about ceremonial laws in the New Covenant like baptism, the Lord's supper, etc. James is talking about the "Royal Law" (i.e. to love your neighbor) (James 2:8).

8 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:8-11).​

So in verse 10: When James says if you keep the whole Law , he is referring to the whole of the Royal Law (in loving your neighbor) and if you offend in one point in the keeping of this whole law of loving your neighbor, you are guilty of breaking all of God's laws. Verse 11 confirms this by it saying, "Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." Paul says that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the Moral Law (like do not murder, do not covet, etc.) (See Romans 13:8-10).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

NONE who ever lived except for Jesus Himself went went entire life without ever sinning Paul didn't, neither did John, nor myself, or you!

When you apply Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 to the present walk of the believer, you also have to apply Romans 3:11 to the present walk of the believer, too (Note: Hover your cursor over these verses to check them out).

Romans 7:14-24 is Paul talking as a Pharisee before he became a Christian. The next chapter talks about how you can overcome grievous sin. For Romans 8:13 says, "For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live."

A General List of Verses on Overcoming Grievous Sin:

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Corinthians 10:13).

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:24).

1 "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1-2).

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Corinthians 7:1).

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Galatians 5:16).

"Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him” (Romans 6:6-8).

“Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living.” (Romans 6:16 NLT).

“there are false prophets... who cannot cease from sin.” (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:14).

“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.” (1 Corinthians 15:34).

“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-21).

“But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1 John 2:5).

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-4).

“For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:7).

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (1 John 5:19).​

Memorize these verses and put them on the inside of your heart.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Explaining James 2:10 and How All Sin is Not the Same.

Not all sin is the same. Jesus said there is a greater sin (John 19:11). 1 John 5:16-17 says there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. Jesus said to the Pharisees that they ignored the WEIGHTIER matters of the Law like: Love, justice, faith, and mercy (See Luke 11:42, and Matthew 23:23). Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21 that baptism is not for salvation. Yet, it is a command as a part of the great commission (Matthew 28:19). But Paul says that Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17). Psalms 19:12 talks about secret or hidden faults. Matthew 12:31-32 says that speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven and speaking bad words against the Son (Jesus) can be forgiven. The sin of worshiping the beast in the future is so bad to GOD that their names are not even written in the book of life since the foundation of the world (See Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8). Even life teaches us that not all sin is the same. For do you consider the breaking of the Law of going over the speed limit by 5 miles per hour (in driving a motor vehicle) as the same as the crime as murder? Surely not.

So what about James 2:10?

Well, this is the only verse that suggests (at first glance with a quick reading) that all sin is the same, and a reader who does use this verse to support this view has to do at the expense of ignoring so many other verses in the Bible.

James here is not talking about ceremonial laws in the New Covenant like baptism, the Lord's supper, etc. James is talking about the "Royal Law" (i.e. to love your neighbor) (James 2:8).

8 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:8-11).​

So in verse 10: When James says if you keep the whole Law , he is referring to the whole of the Royal Law (in loving your neighbor) and if you offend in one point in the keeping of this whole law of loving your neighbor, you are guilty of breaking all of God's laws. Verse 11 confirms this by it saying, "Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." Paul says that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the Moral Law (like do not murder, do not covet, etc.) (See Romans 13:8-10).

Murder is a greater sin than telling a lie, as we are humans in very image of God, and when we kill someone premeditated fashion, death is required of us, so yes, greater degrees of sins...

 

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Murder is a greater sin than telling a lie, as we are humans in very image of God, and when we kill someone premeditated fashion, death is required of us, so yes, greater degrees of sins...

This is why there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death (1 John 5:16-17). Some would teach all sins are the same so it is futile or impossible to obey God's laws under the New Covenant or New Contract. What they do not realize is that with God, all things are possible. But folks prefer the wide gate path. They prefer to justify sin with the thinking they are saved. The narrow way is clearly not justifying sin because that is what most people do today. Very few are seeking to actually obey Jesus and defend what is good and right today.