Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[ClementofA]

David shows to us the Biblical truth that while sin is indeed very bad and destructive in its effects, the grace of our God is greater still!

Agreed. However, David, by the grace of God, repented of his premeditated heinous selfish sins. Otherwise he may have gone the way of, and ended up as, some others in the Old Testament.

 

[YeshuaFan]

This is why there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death (1 John 5:16-17). Some would teach all sins are the same so it is futile or impossible to obey God's laws under the New Covenant or New Contract. What they do not realize is that with God, all things are possible. But folks prefer the wide gate path. They prefer to justify sin with the thinking they are saved. The narrow way is clearly not justifying sin because that is what most people do today. Very few are seeking to actually obey Jesus and defend what is good and right today.

God does not require us to be sinless though in order to save us!

 

[ClementofA]

God does not require us to be sinless though in order to save us!

In the Old Testament could the priest enter the holy of holies with sin?

 

[YeshuaFan]

In the Old Testament could the priest enter the holy of holies with sin?

None of us have sin before God if we have the High Priest Jesus to intercede for us, and are washed in his blood !

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God does not require us to be sinless though in order to save us!

Again, not all sin is the same. See this post here. Anyways, if what you say is true, then why would Jesus need to warns us about how certain sins can condemn us (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46). It makes no sense to say these things to unsaved people because they first need to accept Jesus to be saved and they cannot obey God yet.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Again, not all sin is the same. See this post here. Anyways, if what you say is true, then why would Jesus need to warns us about how certain sins can condemn us (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46). It makes no sense to say these things to unsaved people because they first need to accept Jesus to be saved and they cannot obey God yet.

Jesus never will condemn a sinner that he died for, and whose sins were washed in his blood, and was now saved by Him!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Have you reached a sinless perfection state then?

I ask about the victims of sin and you attack me.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus never will condemn a sinner that he died for, and whose sins were washed in his blood, and was now saved by Him!

Jesus told some to depart from him. He died for them but he sent them away.

 

[SkyWriting]

If they tell themselvses they "accidentally" took the wrong handbag and kept it, it is. If they tell themselvses they are telling Mary something "for her own good" that is very negative about her spouse, they are lying to themselves and it is a sin. I can name lots and lots of these. Anyone outside sees clearly that the person is lying to themselves. How does one take the wrong shopping cart and not return it when they notice their groceries are not in it? How is this done innocently?

Oh please. Stop it. God is not fooled.
If your intentions are good, then "sin", as people want to claim, is not a sin.
Stop whining. Whining is not a sin. You are a whiner, but your intentions are good.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus never will condemn a sinner that he died for, and whose sins were washed in his blood, and was now saved by Him!

That really does not explain the warnings Jesus gave us about sin, though. Please explain how sin can destroy our souls if such a thing is not possible for yourself personally? Can you explain Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, and Matthew 25:31-46 in light of your belief?

 

[MDC]

How so? Calvinists believe God chooses some to be unsaved and others to be saved. So this takes away any responsibility on your end. You have nobody to blame for anything but God then. But God is not the direct author of evil. God is holy and good and there is no darkness in God. God created free will creatures who have the capacity to do either good or bad.

Do you Jason believe Gods grace is sufficient to save? Another wards do you believe Christ and His merits alone are sufficient to save a sinner?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh please. Stop it. God is not fooled.
If your intentions are good, then "sin", as people want to claim, is not a sin.
Stop whining. Whining is not a sin. You are a whiner, but your intentions are good.

Well, God is not fooled by those who think they can sin and still be saved. God is good and He cannot justify a person's thinking that they can sin and still be saved (Unless God were to agree with sin Himself). Not sure what Bible you have been reading, but my Bible says,

"Save yourselves from this corrupt generation" (Acts of the Apostles 2:40).

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness." (1 John 5:19).

"God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him" (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35)

“For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" (Romans 2:11-12).

 

[MDC]

I’m positive they wanted to keep the jewish traditions because it was their heritage and culture.

By being ignorant of the righteousness of God which is in Christ Jesus.. ahh how our modern day Judaizers do the same

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, God is not fooled by those who think they can sin and still be saved. God is good and He cannot justify a person's thinking that they can sin and still be saved (Unless God were to agree with sin Himself). Not sure what Bible you have been reading, but my Bible says,

"Save yourselves from this corrupt generation" (Acts of the Apostles 2:40).

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness." (1 John 5:19).

"God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him" (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35)

“For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" (Romans 2:11-12).

The same Bible as you, but in mine Jesus likes people. I don't think of my mom as corrupt.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The same Bible as you, but in mine Jesus likes people.

7 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." (Galatians 6:7-8).

Jesus does like people. But his friends are those who do whatsoever they He commands of them.

For Jesus says,
"You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:14).

Are you Jesus's friend by keeping His commandments?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Do you Jason believe Gods grace is sufficient to save? Another wards do you believe Christ and His merits alone are sufficient to save a sinner?

God's grace is sufficient to save a sinner of his past sin who has a Godly sorrow and is seeking forgiveness with God... yes. But God's grace is not a license for immorality or to cover willful rebellion done against God because God would have to agree with a person's thinking that they can sin and still be saved. Can God agree with sin? Surely not. So there goes your belief down the tubes.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The same Bible as you, but in mine Jesus likes people. I don't think of my mom as corrupt.

God loves all people, but God is not going to favor the unrighteous or those who sin and do evil. God is holy. God likes His people who obey Him. Jesus said why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say? (Luke 6:46). Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Do you love Jesus enough to keep His commandments? Nowhere does God say that He likes us even when we are in sin. God is holy. He cannot agree with your thinking that a believer can sin and still be saved because God cannot agree with sin.

 

[RDKirk]

God deals with us in real time. This is evident by many verses in Scripture.
God was going to bring judgment (destruction) to the city of Nineveh, but the judgment was averted by them repenting (seeking forgiveness) and turning from their wicked ways.

What is interesting is that God did not turn away from His wrath or judgment upon them at the point when they first cried out to God, but it was when they later had forsaken their evil ways.

You can read this for yourself in Jonah 3:6-10.

Yet, God knew they would do so--and Jonah, being a prophet, had realized it immediately himself.

We do a lot in real time, such as eat, and God provides for real-time needs.

Yet, God knows our end, and regardless how twisty the road to that end, God always knew it all along, before creation.

So those that to our temporal viewpoint will be saved are saved from God's extemporal viewpoint.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God is a lot more patient than you are. He does not judge before time. The God you describe hasn't 5 seconds of patience to see how the man will decide. One sin and his name is crossed out of the book. Opps he repents and so we write it in again. Opps sinned again and so we cross it out. This is absurd. The God I know is patient and long suffering and gives the sinner chances and time to repent. Until judgement, no one is lost eternally. Once dead, the choices are over.

You seem to think that just because somebody falls into spiritual death over one grievous sin, they are forever condemned. This is not the case. If they are still alive, this is an indication that they still have time to repent. That is the mercy. That is the grace. But to suggest otherwise and say that a believer can do a horrible act of evil and be saved while doing so is just mind boggling to me. Not only does it violate Scripture in numerous places, but it violates basic morality.

Can you honestly not think of one horrible sin that can separate a person from God? What about speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost? That is just one sin and that can NEVER be forgiven. You seem to think grievous sin is not all that big of a deal with God because you relate it to a person in a race stumbling. Again, you were so offended by my words that talk about the sins of David that you had to erase it. How do you think God feels about sin then? He is so much more holy and righteous and good. Again, how do you get around the problem of God agreeing with your plan of salvation that makes for an allowance for a temporary amount of sin or evil? Would not God have to agree with sin in order to make this kind of thinking on sin work? Can God agree with sin or evil as long? Does time spent on the crime really change things (morally speaking)?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

True.

Where does it say at that moment David was not saved? Where does it describe David as saved at all?
SO there is no repentance and forgiveness possible before the end. Again, you assume the end before the end. God is more patient that you give him credit for.
No, he said looking at a women IN ORDER to lust. Not the same thing.
Same man believed GOd forgives sin. YOu forget that part but stop at a moment and assume that is the end when it clearly is not.

Then why do you judge him as though he was dead.
You think saved or not saved is a revolving door constantly changing with no patience to repent on God's part. And my example is perfect. You judge the end long before it happens. God is not like that.

I deleted your actually description as it was too dirty for my mind. I started reading it but it was disgusting and unnecessary language. If a man sins he does not become unsaved at that moment.

God is a lot more patient than you are. He does not judge before time. The God you describe hasn't 5 seconds of patience to see how the man will decide. One sin and his name is crossed out of the book. Opps he repents and so we write it in again. Opps sinned again and so we cross it out. This is absurd. The God I know is patient and long suffering and gives the sinner chances and time to repent. Until judgement, no one is lost eternally. Once dead, the choices are over.

What one particular sin do you find to be the most disgusting and most heinous? Are there no such sins?
Can a person bow down to an idol once and be saved?
Jesus says you shall worship the Lord your God only and Him only you shall serve.

What about a person hurting an innocent child?
Is that not bad enough?

What if there one sin was worshiping the beast?
Is that not bad enough?

What do you think happened with Adam and Eve involving their one time sin?